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Cowardly Cameron
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bbjason
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by mfr
Er:

a) because he doesn't mean it

b) he'd be thrown out of the house and miss out on 70 grand.

Hum. Tough choice.
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if he does not mean the threat then why is this the second time he has said he wanted to punch jon
fauntleroy
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by zazza
If you can't tell the difference then I despair for your friends.

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What have my friends got to do with anything? Quite the most bizarre response to one of my posts I've ever seen.
Alrightmate
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by fauntleroy
read the earlier posts on the alleged nature of Cameron's bullying, then you'll understand my point.

Or maybe you'd prefer not to confront the uncomfortable truth about your own hypocrisy.
”

But it doesn't mean that point is correct.

I think you should have a look around and read some information about what different forms of bullying there are,....then you may understand bbjason's point.

Jon actually said he has enjoyed Cameron's company,..however he expressed his opinion that he felt that Cameron is being deceptive in the way he is playing the game,..there's nothing malicious about that, he hasn't tried to make people dislike Cameron, he's simply encouraging others to be more cautious.

Cameron however expresses much hatred on his face, when he fantasises over extremely violent scenarios of torture and violence....he genuinely appears to enjoy the prospect of suffering and distress on another person.
More notably when the other person is a woman,..his wishes of violence are more to do with slow torture and extremely distressing strangulation, suffocation techniques.

The Marquis de Sade would be proud of him.

Fair enough, he hasn't actually carried the physical threats out,..and I doubt that he would...He is too much of a rule follower, and is far too repressed. His cowardice would prevent him from doing so anyway,...............but the thoughts are there.
He savours the thought and anticipation of the prospect of human suffering.

Personally I think he shows real evidence of being a psychopath.
yummybrian
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by ben4321
Has Jon implicitly threatened anyone with violence? ”

Nope - and neither has Cameron! A comment said behind closed doors without the person present can hardly be classed as an implicit threat.
Purnah
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by mfr
b) he'd be thrown out of the house and miss out on 70 grand.”

Er. Slice em up, throw him out, BB of the century. Sorted. (Referring to Cameron for those not quite following the interleaving of this thread.)

What else is there to unravel in this monkey puzzle of knot?
ben4321
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by yummybrian
Nope - and neither has Cameron! A comment said behind closed doors without the person present can hardly be classed as an implicit threat. ”

Depends how often it happens.
fauntleroy
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Alrightmate
Personally I think he shows real evidence of being a psychopath. ”

Personally, I think a little learning can be a dangerous thing.
ben4321
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by fauntleroy
Personally, I think a little learning can be a dangerous thing. ”

Better than ignorance.
bbjason
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by yummybrian
Nope - and neither has Cameron! A comment said behind closed doors without the person present can hardly be classed as an implicit threat. ”

Its still a threat none the less

Its not like he has had thoughts about it and kept them to himself, that would not be a threat but he has expressed his want to hit jon to 5 different people now and not one of them is Jon
mfr
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by ben4321
Depends how often it happens. ”

No it doesn't.
fauntleroy
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by ben4321
Better than ignorance. ”

In this case, an arguable point
Alrightmate
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by yummybrian
Nope - and neither has Cameron! A comment said behind closed doors without the person present can hardly be classed as an implicit threat. ”

No, I can't honestly say that he has threatened somebody to their face,...but he was at the point of going ahead and throwing eggs at Jon.

And he has expressed on many occasion his wishes to be violent,..even though he won't do it, or mention it to the person's face.

He likes talking about violence,...he expresses his thoughts about it when he is in a safe situation.

Makes me wonder why he is a born again christian.
He can't help himself,.he has thoughts about hurting people that he can't repress for more than a few days.

He'd love it if public hanging was still allowed.
bbjason
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Alrightmate
He'd love it if public hanging was still allowed. ”

So would I

We can have a public vote on it to see who gets hanged

for cameron to be hanged Text Vote cameron to 12345

althought C4 would probably fix it
Alrightmate
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by fauntleroy
Personally, I think a little learning can be a dangerous thing. ”

That's got to be one of the weirdest replies that I've ever read here.
sympathy
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Alrightmate
No, I can't honestly say that he has threatened somebody to their face,...but he was at the point of going ahead and throwing eggs at Jon.

And he has expressed on many occasion his wishes to be violent,..even though he won't do it, or mention it to the person's face.

He likes talking about violence,...he expresses his thoughts about it when he is in a safe situation.

Makes me wonder why he is a born again christian.
He can't help himself,.he has thoughts about hurting people that he can't repress for more than a few days.

He'd love it if public hanging was still allowed.
”

What's more disturbing is people actually want a person like this to win Big Brother! It's beyond my comphrension.
Stephanos
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by sympathy
What's more disturbing is people actually want a person like this to win Big Brother! It's beyond my comphrension. ”

If it's beyond you're comprehension then it explains why you are so disturbed.

Cam does some bitching and he's the devil incarnate.

Jon bitches and backstabs people and he's idolised.

It's amazing how different standards are applied here.
yummybrian
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Alrightmate
But it doesn't mean that point is correct.



Cameron however expresses much hatred on his face, when he fantasises over extremely violent scenarios of torture and violence....he genuinely appears to enjoy the prospect of suffering and distress on another person.
More notably when the other person is a woman,..his wishes of violence are more to do with slow torture and extremely distressing strangulation, suffocation techniques.

The Marquis de Sade would be proud of him.

Fair enough, he hasn't actually carried the physical threats out,..and I doubt that he would...He is too much of a rule follower, and is far too repressed. His cowardice would prevent him from doing so anyway,...............but the thoughts are there.
He savours the thought and anticipation of the prospect of human suffering.

Personally I think he shows real evidence of being a psychopath.
”

You need to get a grip. What a load of complete and utter twaddle. I'm getting seriously worried about some people on this forum - if you react like this to nothing more than a bit of bitching on a tv show you have big problems in store in the big wide world!!! I somehow think the BB shrinks would have picked up on any psycopathic tendencies .... or maybe you're just much better qualified than they are??

ben4321
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Poo Poo
If it's beyond you're comprehension then it explains why you are so disturbed.

Cam does some bitching and he's the devil incarnate.

Jon bitches and backstabs people and he's idolised.

It's amazing how different standards are applied here.
”

Perhaps it's because Jon stated his motives quite clearly before he went back into the house???
ben4321
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by mfr
No it doesn't. ”

Yes it does.
Alrightmate
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Poo Poo
If it's beyond you're comprehension then it explains why you are so disturbed.


It's amazing how different standards are applied here.
”

If it's amazing, then it explains why you are so disturbed.
wivenhote
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Poo Poo
If it's beyond you're comprehension then it explains why you are so disturbed.

Cam does some bitching and he's the devil incarnate.

Jon bitches and backstabs people and he's idolised.

It's amazing how different standards are applied here.
”

Poo Poo, you shouldn't view this forum as representative. Generally the reverse is true. Cam and Jon go head to head tomorrow in a public vote, Cam wins. The internet forum is a marginal medium, and it is now surprise that marginal figures take on cult status. You are, IMO, correct. And, IMO, you will be proved so. (Although Steph is, demographically, a dark horse).
Alrightmate
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by yummybrian
You need to get a grip. What a load of complete and utter twaddle. I'm getting seriously worried about some people on this forum - if you react like this to nothing more than a bit of bitching on a tv show you have big problems in store in the big wide world!!! I somehow think the BB shrinks would have picked up on any psycopathic tendencies .... or maybe you're just much better qualified than they are??

”

Get a grip??

React like what??

Don't be worried, I am fine.

Please tell me why you find my opinion a load of twaddle,..and please refrain from getting personal.

Maybe other psychologists have a view that the the BB psychologists don't mention, or aren't aware of.

I haven't reacted to a bit of bitching, I've just got an opinion based on what I've seen over the weeks.
Mesostim
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by yummybrian
You need to get a grip. What a load of complete and utter twaddle. I'm getting seriously worried about some people on this forum - if you react like this to nothing more than a bit of bitching on a tv show you have big problems in store in the big wide world!!! ”

How odd.....In this post here bitching seems to worry you....

I don't see how anyone can call Jon a hero for anything he did last night, after all the whole fiasco was down to his stirring and mind games anyway. Three people ended up genuinely upset (that "real" enough for you Jon??) and how he could have sat in the bedroom and comforted and reassured Ray when he knows perfectly well he intends doing more of the same, was quite beyond me. I remember thinking to myself "I hope you're really proud of yourself Jon". ( shortly before thinking "Jesus!! look at the time!!")

Just a bit of bitching on a TV show isn't it??????
yummybrian
19-07-2003
Originally posted by Alrightmate
Get a grip??

React like what??
Hysterical.



Please tell me why you find my opinion a load of twaddle,..and please refrain from getting personal.

Just re-read your post.

Maybe other psychologists have a view that the the BB psychologists don't mention, or aren't aware of.

I was referring to the psychiatrists actually. All the contestants are checked out beforehand.

I've just got an opinion based on what I've seen over the weeks.

Snap!
yummybrian
19-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
How odd.....In this post here bitching seems to worry you....

I don't see how anyone can call Jon a hero for anything he did last night, after all the whole fiasco was down to his stirring and mind games anyway. Three people ended up genuinely upset (that "real" enough for you Jon??) and how he could have sat in the bedroom and comforted and reassured Ray when he knows perfectly well he intends doing more of the same, was quite beyond me. I remember thinking to myself "I hope you're really proud of yourself Jon". ( shortly before thinking "Jesus!! look at the time!!")

Just a bit of bitching on a TV show isn't it??????
”

No - not the same thing at all. Sounding off to someone is NOT the same thing as deliberately trying to cause tension. As I said, three people ended up really upset on Wednesday night as a result of Jon's actions. I think I'd rather someone threaten to smother someone with no intention of ever carrying it out, than play mind games and set one person against another. He also sat there and comforted Jon knowing he was planning to cause more upset.
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