Seems more like double standards to me...

Did anyone notice Cameron deflecting Scotts discussion there? He was about to chat about watching the events of September 11th while he was staying in York, only for Cameron to but in asking "is there a river in York". For once we may have seen Scot chatting about something interesting only for the Cam to chat about rivers. Dam it.

Yes Jon's double standards "tickle" me too. I'm glad we agree.

No,....I've read my post again, and in no way was I hysterical.....From your original reply, you were the one who reacted in a more emotional manner.

So they're checked out.........what does this prove?

Snap?...you've got an opinion on Cameron too?
Okay, why don't you give it....(The opinion on Cameron, that is,...not the opinion on me)

Although you dismiss my opinion,....I don't see how you can without having an alternative one.

He has expressed many violent thoughts.
He does show signs of being a psychopath,.....but maybe the term sociapath could be more suitable with Cameron.

I'm not saying he is,.....but he does show signs.

And honestly,..I'm not being hysterical,..nor am I having a go at you.

Agree, but similarly Adele last year had stated openly to viewers (via the DR to BB) that she was "playing the game", yet still ended up pilloried for her behaviour. It seems people tend to judge at face value regardless.

so what you are saying is that jons a bully because thats what hes been doing to cameron.

Well said Trada. Trouble is some people choose to ignore the fact that Jon's been doing the exact things that they are accusing Cam of

Cam is the worst sort of bully because its all done behind peoples backs and he is all idle threats. All this 'I want to punch Jon in the face' cr'p. Well cam, go up to Jon and say 'You annoy me so much, I sometimes want to smash you in the face'. At least he would be honest about his feelings. We all know its not going to happen though.
Its like some of the worst kinds of posters on these forums (most of whom get themselves banned) who make snide abusive little digs from behind the safety of their pc's but you know, if you ever met them in real life, would have nothing to to for themselves.

Since Jon came back in he has indeed been stirring..like he said he would before half a million votes in only an hour were cast for him to return....So it's not like he didn't say he intended to play with their minds. Jon has not threatened violence behind Cameron's back which is something Came appears to excell in, and Cameron has been openly malicious compared to Jon.........So in fact the things people are accusing Cam of..and i fact what Cam has been doing....are several times worse than anything Jon is doing in there........

Oh - Will it help if I punctuate my point with one of these ...It seems to be the fashion.

When Jon threatens to suffocate or punch someone, your point will be valid. Until then, you can't even compare Jon and Cameron.

My opinion on Cameron is that he's an ordinary guy with a bitchy side who doesn't express anger and frustration very well. For the most part I've found his bitching hilarious and perfectly justified. Yes, he's bitched, and shock, horror!! he's even had the nerve to nominate people! He still isn't in the same league as Adele or Elizabeth when it comes to genuine malice.

I voted Jon back in last week, because he and Cameron have been the most entertaining of the series for me, but I've been very disappointed in his behaviour. I had thought he would be as amusing and fascinating as he was in the first few weeks, and really tie all the housemates up in knots. I wasn't prepared to see him target the weakest and most volatile member of the group, while doing very little to expose the people he insists are the biggest "game players"!! Mind games are fine, provided the object of the game is capable of playing. I feel no malice towards Jon, as he did look very uncomfortable with the fall-out of his actions, but I expected better of someone with his supposed superior intelligence.

"so they're checked out ... what does this prove??" Is that a serious question? This proves that someone with "Psycopathic tendencies" would not get past the early stages of the selection process. Sorry, I thought that was rather obvious.

Finally ..... "More notably when the other person is a woman,..his wishes of violence are more to do with slow torture and extremely distressing strangulation, suffocation techniques"
Does this give you a little hint as to why I found your post hysterical?? Does that not strike you as extreme in the slightest? Sorry if you find me a bit too vociferous, but all this is totally out of proportion to the things that have been said and done, and I reacted accordingly. Fiery Welsh temper I suppose - but at least my 2 fingers were on my keyboard at the time and not at someone's throat!

**not having a go at you either **

like comparing buckfast with champagne and no cam aint the shampus in this picture

Catch up jon has since said there is no point in stirring anymore. Ice cant be stirred

So what you're saying is that you are hiding behind your PC and in real life you have nothing to say for yourself?

Erm, please point out where I have made abusive digs at other fm's. I havent and I wouldnt say anything to anyone on here that I wouldnt say to them in real life.

In fact, after I was quite viciously personally abused on another ds forum, I emailed the person direct to give them the chance to meet me and say to my face what they had said online.

I think what he's trying to say is that you are an obvious social fool. The kind of person whose friends really wouldnt be bothered if they never saw or heard from them again. I kind of agree with him.

Ooooooooh

lol

Thanks, although my thoughts on Cameron are different from yours I appreciate your opinion.

Yes, it was a serious question about him getting past the selection process.
I think a lot depends on what images spring to mind when you think of a psychopath. The study of psychopathy generally comes to the conclusion that having psychopathic tendencies does not mean that you suffer mental illness. I'm not even sure if it's something they would specifically check for.
The vast majority of psychopaths never even commit a crime in their entire lifes. Apparently many succesful businessman are suspected of having psychopathic tendencies.

I know a lot depends on what you see in a person, and as my view on Cameron is different from yours, I see a more unpleasant nature from my personal perspective.
From what I've read, Camewron does seem to have many personality traits that are common amongst psychopaths....But that's completely different from me thinking that he is a menace to society, because I don't think he is.

About my comments on Cameron's wishes of violence on women....Yes, I do think what I wrote sounds extreme,...but what Cameron said actually did sound quite extreme for some. The way I described it was more to make a point of how some of his comments sounded to me. Yes I was dramatizing it a little, to see if one coulod see things from my point.
My Marquis de Sade comment being an example

But his violent thoughts about the women were very different to the ones he had about Jon...With Jon it was more often about wanting to punch him,..as well as throwing eggs,..etc.
With the women......in every single case,....it wasn't about punching them,......all his comments about the women were specifically about sufocating them or strangling them,...to me, that just looks a mite disturbing,...even though they are only expressions of his thoughts.
I saw the way he looked at Lisa when she was struggling for breath in the horse task(whether she was faking it or not),....and he did have a sadistic look on his face.

I do think he has some sadistic thoughts,..whether he would act on them is very doubtful.

Just a final word on that hoohah, Lisa says in one of her post-eviction interviews that it was due to "stress", ie panic attack.

As soon as Scott becomes interesting, Cameron has to spoilt it. Tactical behaviour perhaps?

Sorry, and you are who exactly?

Cameron has NEVER THREATENED to suffocate or punch anyone. If you can give me one example of this, I'll willingly give you £100 (or even more if you wish). If you can't, you can give me the £100 -which I will then immeditely donate to charity via DS.


For info, I'm a solicitor so will act 100% fair in that I will willingly accept the legal definition of 'threatened'

So - what is the legal definiation of "threatened"? Please post it.

Threatened:
The reasonable perception of being subject to assault/coercion given the demeanour of another through words or actions.

From which I'm sure you can work out the definition of 'threaten'

Bet still stands to anyone who would like to take me up on it...

Curious - you can't be threatened with e.g. blackmail, legally speaking?