[dgellis0907]

This is taken from the IMDB forums. i cannot guarentee it is 100 true. but it does seem to fit in with what we saw at the end of adrift!


Apparently most of this is from a shooting script. The chances of it being true are 50/50, depending on the reliability of the source. The only thing we do know for certain - from fangirls witnessing a scene being shot in November that involved JB, James Marsters and a guest actor - is that Jack is stabbed by Gray at some point, during an argument in an isolated area.

Spoiler

Captain John has set bombs all around Cardiff. They explode, but he and Captain Jack are sucked up into a Riftstorm, and deposited in Cardiff, 2000 years in the past. The rest of the team discover that Captain John's bombs have damaged Cardiff's nuclear facilities.

John explains to Jack that he jumped into the Rift because he's under the control of Gray, who has basically turned him into a walking bomb via a wriststrap fused to his skin. At that moment, Gray appears through the Rift. Jack hugs his brother.. who then stabs him, and makes John cuff Jack's wrists and ankles, dig his grave, and bury him. (Just before he starts to fill it in, John throws a ring down into the hole.) Gray's insane, having been tortured by hellish creatures for years, and hates Jack - both for being immortal, and for losing him all those years ago.

He sets John's wriststrap for one trip, and only one... John goes to Cardiff.

Gwen finds him in the Hub, and wants to know where Jack is, and what's all this about a brother, etc... Gray then turns up accompanied by weevils (who only Owen can control as it seems he's still King o' the Weevils).

Not sure of exact order at this point, but Ianto saves John from weevils, then Grey finds John, much to his disappointment (he didn't expect John to want to do the right thing)... then he shoots Tosh. Owen is busy away somewhere trying to stop the nuclear whatsits from going into meltdown.

After shooting Tosh, Gray goes all psycho killer and wants to sit and talk to her as she dies... but he hears noises in the Hub and goes to investigate. Tosh lies dying, but continues what she was doing before she was shot - helping Owen via an intercom type thing. He doesn't know she's dying, but she knows he's going to be killed by the nuclear radiation inside the chamber he's stuck inside. They die together, apart.

Gray goes to investigate the banging he can hear. It's coming from the morgue. He opens a drawer and... it's Jack. John's ring *is* a bleepy thing. [Flashback] It's tracked down by two women from TW circa 1900 - Jack's been down there a long time. They dig him out, and he asks to be put in the morgue so he doesn't meet himself etc. [/Flashback] Jack tries to walk away, Gray starts telling him all about how he'll never forgive him etc. So, er, Jack knocks him out with a stinky hanky.

He goes into the Hub, Gwen and Ianto get hugs and stuff - this is all happening while Tosh and Owen are dying - apparently just as Owen dies, Jack runs in on Tosh, and she dies in his arms. Gwen gets upset.

Jack and John have a goodbye scene - John suggests he kill Gray, but Jack decides to put him on ice too I think - they have a snog, and then John decides to go backpacking round Europe, or something.

Finally - the team are clearing out Tosh and Owen's bit of the office. Packing up their stuff, logging off their PCs - Tosh's PC responds to this by popping up a video!Tosh. She says she realises she must be dead, and that she hopes it wasn't a trivial death. She loves them all, says thank you to Jack, tells Owen he didn't ever realise (but he's not there! argh! *gnashes teeth, wails* )

Final scene is Jack, Gwen and Ianto sitting on the docks.

[sparkle_18]

WOW if thats true, it all sounds very exciting!!! I hope this is the final episode..would be amazing...dont think I should get too excited lol so if

Spoiler

tosh and owen (kinda) die, then we'll be expecting some new members!!...not sure how i feel about both dying, but lets wait and see

[Beth88]

Originally Posted by dgellis0907

This is taken from the IMDB forums. i cannot guarentee it is 100 true. but it does seem to fit in with what we saw at the end of adrift!


Apparently most of this is from a shooting script. The chances of it being true are 50/50, depending on the reliability of the source. The only thing we do know for certain - from fangirls witnessing a scene being shot in November that involved JB, James Marsters and a guest actor - is that Jack is stabbed by Gray at some point, during an argument in an isolated area.

Spoiler

Captain John has set bombs all around Cardiff. They explode, but he and Captain Jack are sucked up into a Riftstorm, and deposited in Cardiff, 2000 years in the past. The rest of the team discover that Captain John's bombs have damaged Cardiff's nuclear facilities.

John explains to Jack that he jumped into the Rift because he's under the control of Gray, who has basically turned him into a walking bomb via a wriststrap fused to his skin. At that moment, Gray appears through the Rift. Jack hugs his brother.. who then stabs him, and makes John cuff Jack's wrists and ankles, dig his grave, and bury him. (Just before he starts to fill it in, John throws a ring down into the hole.) Gray's insane, having been tortured by hellish creatures for years, and hates Jack - both for being immortal, and for losing him all those years ago.

He sets John's wriststrap for one trip, and only one... John goes to Cardiff.

Gwen finds him in the Hub, and wants to know where Jack is, and what's all this about a brother, etc... Gray then turns up accompanied by weevils (who only Owen can control as it seems he's still King o' the Weevils).

Not sure of exact order at this point, but Ianto saves John from weevils, then Grey finds John, much to his disappointment (he didn't expect John to want to do the right thing)... then he shoots Tosh. Owen is busy away somewhere trying to stop the nuclear whatsits from going into meltdown.

After shooting Tosh, Gray goes all psycho killer and wants to sit and talk to her as she dies... but he hears noises in the Hub and goes to investigate. Tosh lies dying, but continues what she was doing before she was shot - helping Owen via an intercom type thing. He doesn't know she's dying, but she knows he's going to be killed by the nuclear radiation inside the chamber he's stuck inside. They die together, apart.

Gray goes to investigate the banging he can hear. It's coming from the morgue. He opens a drawer and... it's Jack. John's ring *is* a bleepy thing. [Flashback] It's tracked down by two women from TW circa 1900 - Jack's been down there a long time. They dig him out, and he asks to be put in the morgue so he doesn't meet himself etc. [/Flashback] Jack tries to walk away, Gray starts telling him all about how he'll never forgive him etc. So, er, Jack knocks him out with a stinky hanky.

He goes into the Hub, Gwen and Ianto get hugs and stuff - this is all happening while Tosh and Owen are dying - apparently just as Owen dies, Jack runs in on Tosh, and she dies in his arms. Gwen gets upset.

Jack and John have a goodbye scene - John suggests he kill Gray, but Jack decides to put him on ice too I think - they have a snog, and then John decides to go backpacking round Europe, or something.

Finally - the team are clearing out Tosh and Owen's bit of the office. Packing up their stuff, logging off their PCs - Tosh's PC responds to this by popping up a video!Tosh. She says she realises she must be dead, and that she hopes it wasn't a trivial death. She loves them all, says thank you to Jack, tells Owen he didn't ever realise (but he's not there! argh! *gnashes teeth, wails* )

Final scene is Jack, Gwen and Ianto sitting on the docks.

OMG that sounds amazing...even thou I know what would happen if true...I just know I will be in floods of tears..

[Digital Sid]

Originally Posted by dgellis0907

This is taken from the IMDB forums. i cannot guarentee it is 100 true. but it does seem to fit in with what we saw at the end of adrift!


Apparently most of this is from a shooting script. The chances of it being true are 50/50, depending on the reliability of the source. The only thing we do know for certain - from fangirls witnessing a scene being shot in November that involved JB, James Marsters and a guest actor - is that Jack is stabbed by Gray at some point, during an argument in an isolated area.

Spoiler

Captain John has set bombs all around Cardiff. They explode, but he and Captain Jack are sucked up into a Riftstorm, and deposited in Cardiff, 2000 years in the past. The rest of the team discover that Captain John's bombs have damaged Cardiff's nuclear facilities.

John explains to Jack that he jumped into the Rift because he's under the control of Gray, who has basically turned him into a walking bomb via a wriststrap fused to his skin. At that moment, Gray appears through the Rift. Jack hugs his brother.. who then stabs him, and makes John cuff Jack's wrists and ankles, dig his grave, and bury him. (Just before he starts to fill it in, John throws a ring down into the hole.) Gray's insane, having been tortured by hellish creatures for years, and hates Jack - both for being immortal, and for losing him all those years ago.

He sets John's wriststrap for one trip, and only one... John goes to Cardiff.

Gwen finds him in the Hub, and wants to know where Jack is, and what's all this about a brother, etc... Gray then turns up accompanied by weevils (who only Owen can control as it seems he's still King o' the Weevils).

Not sure of exact order at this point, but Ianto saves John from weevils, then Grey finds John, much to his disappointment (he didn't expect John to want to do the right thing)... then he shoots Tosh. Owen is busy away somewhere trying to stop the nuclear whatsits from going into meltdown.

After shooting Tosh, Gray goes all psycho killer and wants to sit and talk to her as she dies... but he hears noises in the Hub and goes to investigate. Tosh lies dying, but continues what she was doing before she was shot - helping Owen via an intercom type thing. He doesn't know she's dying, but she knows he's going to be killed by the nuclear radiation inside the chamber he's stuck inside. They die together, apart.

Gray goes to investigate the banging he can hear. It's coming from the morgue. He opens a drawer and... it's Jack. John's ring *is* a bleepy thing. [Flashback] It's tracked down by two women from TW circa 1900 - Jack's been down there a long time. They dig him out, and he asks to be put in the morgue so he doesn't meet himself etc. [/Flashback] Jack tries to walk away, Gray starts telling him all about how he'll never forgive him etc. So, er, Jack knocks him out with a stinky hanky.

He goes into the Hub, Gwen and Ianto get hugs and stuff - this is all happening while Tosh and Owen are dying - apparently just as Owen dies, Jack runs in on Tosh, and she dies in his arms. Gwen gets upset.

Jack and John have a goodbye scene - John suggests he kill Gray, but Jack decides to put him on ice too I think - they have a snog, and then John decides to go backpacking round Europe, or something.

Finally - the team are clearing out Tosh and Owen's bit of the office. Packing up their stuff, logging off their PCs - Tosh's PC responds to this by popping up a video!Tosh. She says she realises she must be dead, and that she hopes it wasn't a trivial death. She loves them all, says thank you to Jack, tells Owen he didn't ever realise (but he's not there! argh! *gnashes teeth, wails* )

Final scene is Jack, Gwen and Ianto sitting on the docks.

2000 years? Cardiff wasn't around 2000 years ago lol. Plus doesn't these two deaths tie in with the rumours about a shake up?

Where is the crossover scene, how does Jack go back to the doc?

[welsh_revival]

this sounded plausable untill the bit about jack just staying berried for 1900 years then being in the morgue.

I hope this isn't true sounds abit amateurish.

[fraggle_bean]

And a direct rip off of Angel. Again.

[ormistonjames]

Nah, doesn't sound true to me.

If Jack was noticing aging from just 100 years, then 2000 would definitely make some visible impact on him, and from what he looks like in the photos from the Doctor Who finale, they've made no effort to age him.

Owen can't die because he's already dead, so being stuck in a room with radiation wouldn't kill him.

We don't need a crossover scene to Doctor Who though, from what I've seen the events of the season 4 finale are pretty public and take place over a decent period of time, so it makes sense that Jack would try and find the Doctor. If there's a crossover scene to this at the end of Torchwood then it would probably have to reveal who exactly is invading Earth and (although it's a terribly kept secret) they probably won't want to do that.

[ormistonjames]

Originally Posted by fraggle_bean

And a direct rip off of Angel. Again.

Oh FFS it is not. I loved Angel, was a fantastic show, but if this is what the Torchwood finale is like then it is in no way a direct rip off of Angel.

[kirkeastment]

Originally Posted by ormistonjames

Oh FFS it is not. I loved Angel, was a fantastic show, but if this is what the Torchwood finale is like then it is in no way a direct rip off of Angel.

i gotta agree, being an avid Angel fan, i can pick up on some consitencies between the two series, and in particular this episode of TW.

John setting up the bombs, is like Connor setting up the bombs.

A brother who hates his older borther, is similar to Connor hating his father.

Tosh dying in jacks arms, well the only similarity to angel there, would require a total role reversal.

those are the only 3 similarities i could pick up on, if fraggle_bean knows more please say.

the episode does sound good but it sounds more like episode 12's description.

episode 12 spoilers below

Spoiler

At the end of episode 11 last night on BBC3, the trailer showed all members of TW, in a building, and there were bombs everywhere, and the building imploded.

Now the episode is supposed to be about, how your entire life flashes before your eyes when your about to die. So i'm thinking this also means, that your possible future also flashes before their eyes, and this is what they see.

Also in the preview for ep 12, they showed Tosh lying in a room{she looked like she may have been shot}, and there was a shadow of a person there, so this also is another clue that this spoiler is for ep 12, and not 13.}

Or theres always the chance, that ep 12 & 13 are like a 2 part-finale, ep 12 shows them whats about to happen, but they don't know whos going to be responsible, then episode 13 has all the things they saw happen, and it ends in a cliffhanger for the start of season 3, as to wether or not Tosh and Owen can be saved{brought back again}.

[Histeria]

Originally Posted by kirkeastment

those are the only 3 similarities i could pick up on

Depending on how it's handled, I guess the video at the end could have a vibe like the one of Doyle at the end of 'Hero'.

Sort of.

[Leeham]

I thought everyone but Gwen was leaving at the end?

[claire2281]

I'd be intrigued to know how the already dead Owen is killed by radiation...

[loz2601]

That end scene already sounds really sad.

[alexandravan5]

Okay, I honestly don't think that stuff is gonna happen. Even in the twisted way that Torchwood normally makes sense, that "spoiler" doesn't.

[BallroomBecca]

I think somehow there's been a crossed wire, because the first bit sounds too much like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang - bombs all round Cardiff, explosive device fused to Captain John's skin etc. I somehow doubt they'd get rid of Tosh and Owen... no particular reason why, but I just think that, this year especially, they're an integral part of the team! But it would fit in with the rumour going round that

Spoiler

Martha and Mickey are taking the place of Owen and Tosh respectively

although I hope that doesn't happen!

[Capnm]

i like owen but i think the character has kind of run its course, he is dead so what more can they do apart from properly kill him, you can't have 2 immortals in the show.

tosh well, take it or leave it really, probably my least favourite of the characters, i blame the scripts rather than Naoko Mori but there's no depth to the character.

i might get shot down for saying this but im hoping they dont kill rhys off, great character especially now he knows what gwen gets up to.

i hope not martha and mickey, plus if we had mickey that would mean mickey returns to this universe which means all sorts of things for the finale of S4 of DW....

[xodust]

well tbh i thaught davros was gonna be popping out the genesis arc back in the day so like always ill believe when i see it.

[lozwinter]

i read about

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Owen and tosh dying.

but how can owen die if he's already dead?

[cazzz]

Originally Posted by lozwinter

i read about

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Owen and tosh dying.

but how can owen die if he's already dead?

Death by Torchwood writers, anything is possible

[Team53]

I just had a thought

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what's to stop Jack recruiting the alt. Earth versions of Owen and Tosh?

we know that he's seen with Mickey who comes from that earth (after staying there in DW series 2), so what's to stop him getting the alt. versions of these 2 characters.

that way they would be in series 3, but would be different versions and would solve the problem of (our) Owen being dead forever.

then again, the events of the DW series 4 finale might effect the rift and create a permanent path to alt. Earth.

[Oceanic-815]

it looks like these are fake, nothing in the trailer fitted with this (no weevils, weird rift stuff and the flashback has already happened differently!)

[siohmy]

Whilst I'm sure it could easily have been a way to throw people off the scent I thought I read somewhere that Burn Gorman referred to returning for season 3 of Torchwood.

[Josh-JB]

I couldn't care less if Owen dies, but if Tosh goes too, I'm tempted to give up on Torchwood all-together. The only character I really would LIKE to see die is Gwen, but sadly the writers seem to view her as some kind of female lead in the show when in actual fact, she's probably the weakest of them all. However, I never expect them to do this I think killing off Tosh would be a mistake at least.

Meh. Very very unsatisfying ending if true though.

[Digital Sid]

Since the bombs all over cardiff thing's been done and the jack flashback was done differently and since that Tosh and Owen got out of the rubble fine I think this is just a load of old nonsense based on the big changes news article.

There again, the weevils are in the trailer :s.

I'm hopeing that they don't die, or that if they do, the reset button is pressed. Because if the rumours of Martha (even though she now works for Unit) and Mickey (even though he's from the other earth) joining torchwood are true, that will mean a 7 person torchwood

and a much more believable organisation for series 3 (if there is one).

But part of me thinks that it'll just be that Jack is taking Mickey and Martha in his SUV back to their respective homes (although, Mickey doesn't live on this earth lol).

Hope not though.

[Unguided]

Having read the spoilers and seen the trailer for the finale, I think the spoilers look to be accurate. Given what we saw in the trailer

Spoiler

Weevils
Jack being buried alive
Explosions in Cardiff