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End of a Series.
-GONZO-
20-03-2008
Now I know its been said that there is no end of series flag, but are we sure about this as ive had Ramsays kitchen nightmares USA (C4) on series link since it started.
Lastnights was the last in this series and the schedule for this event has dissappered from the schedule list.
So is the Hummy able to recognise an end of a series or is this just a coinsidence?
JAK99
20-03-2008
Star Trek Next Generation on BBC2 ended a series a couple of weeks ago and dropped of the reserved list all by itself. A new reservation was needed to continue recording the following series a week later.

Lucky I checked as that's easily missed.

So looks like there is an end of series flag.
Big-les
20-03-2008
I’ve got Wild At Heart (ITV) and MotoGP (BBC2) still in the schedule for the 9th March. Wild At Heart might have finished but MotoGP certainly hasn’t, I’m waiting to see what happens.
son_t
21-03-2008
Originally Posted by -GONZO-:
“So is the Hummy able to recognise an end of a series or is this just a coinsidence?”

I was the first person to report this when it happened to me (I think it was either Robin Hood or Dr Who series) when the SR timer disappeared at precisely the end of those series. I reported this in a thread here and posters said I should know better, that there is no such thing as an end of series flag... at the time I put it down to me going insane, but I've now recovered , as there is a definite disappearing SR timer bug (see here)...

I still have the Primeval SR timer and another timer (which I can't remember) in my Scheduled Timers list... they have both gone end of series but the timers have not 'disappeared'.

If we ever get down to the problem of disappearing SR timers, I wonder if we could use this to implement an 'end of serie' flag, and have SR timers auto-deleted? Maybe there is a link between a serie that has reached the end and an SR disappearing..?
-GONZO-
21-03-2008
Originally Posted by son_t:
“I still have the Primeval SR timer and another timer (which I can't remember) in my Scheduled Timers list... they have both gone end of series but the timers have not 'disappeared'.
”

If the broadcasters are sending out data that says end of series then that doesn't supprise me that your Primeval is still there as its ITV and ITV don't seem to know what they are doing with this freeview playback data as they still cannot get split events correct let alone an end of series.
son_t
21-03-2008
The fact is, the broadcasters are NOT sending out 'end of serie' data, as there is no provision for this in the FP specs! (You can't solely blame ITV for the disappearing SR timers problem, although they do seem second rate compared to the BBC...)
PhilipL
21-03-2008
Hi

Quote:
“The fact is, the broadcasters are NOT sending out 'end of serie' data, as there is no provision for this in the FP specs! (You can't solely blame ITV for the disappearing SR timers problem, although they do seem second rate compared to the BBC...”

We have seen this also. I wonder if the Humax has a bug where it deletes the series 13 weeks after the first time it was set rather than the last time it was updated by the guide?

Either way if the broadcasters are not sending end of series then of course it is a bug with the Humax, why I'm not surprised?

Regards

phil
nvingo
21-03-2008
Another possibility, if a future event (next episode) is picked up in the EPG, subsequently the broadcaster changes the programme (and therefore the associated ID), that the PVR doesn't know what to do - it shouldn't record the replacement programme as that has a different ID but it hasn't recorded the scheduled episode so cannot update event as done-awaiting next episode. Just a thought.
son_t
21-03-2008
Originally Posted by PhilipL:
“We have seen this also. I wonder if the Humax has a bug where it deletes the series 13 weeks after the first time it was set rather than the last time it was updated by the guide?

phil”

No, it is not this.

Come on, those who regularly slag of the betatesters and think they can do better - I would like to see them finding the cause of the disappearing SR timers bug...
dougk
21-03-2008
To me the answer is simple....

If there is no end of series data to make the scheduled recording be deleted then there IS a bug in the firmware causing it to happen.

I have seen it before three times but there was no pattern as to why it happened.
JAK99
22-03-2008
Originally Posted by son_t:
“No, it is not this.

Come on, those who regularly slag of the betatesters and think they can do better - I would like to see them finding the cause of the disappearing SR timers bug...”

It isn't the place for the beta testers to find the cause of the disappearing SR timers. It is, however, the beta testers place to report the matter to Humax.

For the beta testers to be able to find the reason for the disappearing SR timers they would need access to the 9200's source code. If it is the beta testers who are now directly updating the 9200's software no wonder it has got into a bit of a tangle!

I hadn't noticed it, but my Star Trek Next Generation scheduled recording must have dropped off the Humax's schedule list again last week as it didn't record last night and the entry is nowhere to be seen.
son_t
22-03-2008
Originally Posted by JAK99:
“It isn't the place for the beta testers to find the cause of the disappearing SR timers. It is, however, the beta testers place to report the matter to Humax.

For the beta testers to be able to find the reason for the disappearing SR timers they would need access to the 9200's source code. If it is the beta testers who are now directly updating the 9200's software no wonder it has got into a bit of a tangle!”

Wrong on both counts...

Betatesters test beta software The released v21 firmware is not beta, and hence it is not their place to report this bug...

Betatesters do not know (and should not) how to program firmware and hence will not be be the ones ever to 'update' the firmware...

The point of my post is aimed at those people who constantly blame bugs in the firmware on the lack of the betatesters skills and effort. (Here is a chance for those to prove that they can do better... That is if the betatesters haven't found the cause and reported it already, running a beta version of the v21 firmware, obviously )

Yes, it is their purpose to find bugs, but it is also their valuable effort and skills to give the exact steps to replicate the bugs, that is vital. Just reporting a non-replicatable bug is neither here or there with respect to betatesting...
JAK99
23-03-2008
Originally Posted by son_t:
“Wrong on both counts...”

Not wrong on either count! Who mentioned about particular versions of software? Not I.

Where did I say Betatesters program the firmware? I do not believe I did.

Who said they would like to see users find the cause of the disappearing SR timers bug? Not me, but to do that does need access to the source code!

General Humax users do not really have a reliable facility to report in any meaningful way issues they find as the comments made seem get filed straight in the WPB. Maybe Betatesters comments get filed the same way, maybe they don't. I do not know.
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