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Old 19-07-2003, 19:05
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Go down to Elstree on eviction nite and BOOO as loud as you can when he comes out.Might be the only satisfiction you get this year.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:13
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there are too many variable factors to give up hope completely!

much as the cam-fans use his surviving eviction several times as an indicator of a large fan-base i still have my doubts his "positive" support is that solid! - alex-fans claimed he had a huge "positive" support last year and were very much proven wrong on the final night.

Pasta is right in that it will, in part, depend on who goes on thursday and any subsequent transfer of support. also, while cam seemed to beat nush resoundingly last night much of that was not due to cam-fans (tho the extremes of some having companies' work-phone-lines on redial - vote nush - undoubtedly helped.) but due to people who didn't like nush for many reasons. many scott-fans (teens) voted for nush out of jealousy, others weren't particularly fond of her percieved flirtiness/manipulation...etc. much of the supposed cam-fan-base lies with the older viewer who tends to be much more restrained in only casting 1-5votes....the demographic likely to be supporting scott and ray are far more likely to vote more often. tis even possible that cam/steph natural voters (jesus, help them) will be split!

this week's vote requires a "positive" vote, the only hm/former hm who has tried and tested that in BB4 is Jon!

while ideally i would love to see either cam/steph go on the thursday night (to wipe the smugness from their faces) it would be better if it were either scott/ray at that point as then the teeny/etc transfer would probably go to the remaining guy!

it must also be bourne in mind that C4 does seem to be shifting slightly in their coverage of cameron...this shift may continue and if Jon were to ensure cameron was riled throughout the week then there may be too much bitching and threatening behaviour for them to edit 'cam as lovely' successfully! today i had a chat with a friend who has loved cam throughout (C4 only) she has started to revise her opinion merely by finally seeing the odd-betraying look from cam and also by virtue of having babysat last night in a house with E4 access...her turnaround may reflect others'!

more ought to also be made of cam's "in it for the experience" deal with his brother - julyan and his % (agent) deal and julyan touting cam around the media before he's out of the house.

i'd just prefer not to be defeatist till davina calls it...if too many people are then cam won't be stopped - i'd hate him to win because all of us have allowed ourselves to be sucked into a self-fulfilling prophesy!
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:16
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Originally posted by Jason C
I firmly believe that Cameron will now go on to win.

Basically, I've always thought that the previous winners of BB have in a way summed up what kind of show it's been, so I can think of no more fitting winner of BB4 than Cameron; the whole series has been littered with misjudgements, lies and negativity, so the winner may as well follow suit.

My task now is to prepare for such an eventuality to ensure that I don't sound bitter when I describe his victory in next Friday's Live Updates.

What will be particularly galling will be to read his brother Julyan's smug victory diatribe in that weekend's Scotsman; he'll probably go on to become Cameron's agent and will get him on as many TV, radio and newspaper and magazine slots as possible to ensure that he himself is able to cash in on his brother's fame.

For all those others who (like myself) will be appalled at Cameron's victory, I can only suggest that you look on at his victory with a huge pinch of salt, remind yourself that he's won a terrible, terrible BB and look forward to Fame Academy beginning the following day.
Misjudgements, lies and negativity - I trust you're referring to some of the posts that have been seen in here

Have to say that there are millions of us who don't think that this has been a terrible, terrible BB but then I guess it's horses for courses. I think each BB has been great but for very different reasons. Can't wait for Friday and roll on BB5
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:19
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Originally posted by Deerd
i'd just prefer not to be defeatist till davina calls it...if too many people are then cam won't be stopped - i'd hate him to win because all of us have been sucked into a self-fulfilling prophesy!
By all means, I'd be delighted if Cameron doesn't win, but underestimating his chances is as harmful as overestimating his chances.

I don't want to blow my own trumpet but I think the main reason I set out for Cameron's victory carries a degree of weight.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:20
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Have to say that there are millions of us who don't think that this has been a terrible, terrible BB
Well I'd like to see 'em all, I could do with a laugh.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:24
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Originally posted by Jason C
Well I'd like to see 'em all, I could do with a laugh.
It's not nice to mock the afflicted.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:27
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It is probable that we don't really know the extent of Cameron;s vote. Last night was perhaps the clearest sign, though there was (as Deerd said) a strong anti-Nush movement as well. The Lisa eviction proved nothing, and the infamous double eviction night is hard to analyse, with Fed and Jon supporters battling it out. (This was pre-BBA, remember, and in a straight fight Cameron may well have lost to Jon, if not Fed.) Also, he may share a proportion of Steph supporters, so the idea that Ray and Scott might cancel each other out is only part of the picture. Thus, there is still a lot to play for.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:31
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Although I think you are right that Cameron will win this Sham BB, Jason. I do remember being 99% sure in last's years final, that kate was going to win after being groomed for it, even though I wanted Alex to win at the time, but I was also just as sure that Jonny would be out first , and was shocked that he managed to come second. as were a lot of people. So maybe Scott will pip Cameron to the post, you never know.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:37
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Originally posted by Jason C
By all means, I'd be delighted if Cameron doesn't win, but underestimating his chances is as harmful as overestimating his chances.

I don't want to blow my own trumpet but I think the main reason I set out for Cameron's victory carries a degree of weight.
i'm in no way questioning the weight of the reasons you have set out, indeed your's are far worthier than much of the supposition used by cam-fans...tho i guess people with lack of perception have to rely more on supposition (much the same way cam and steph did last night when bitching about Jon speaking to nush).

i have in part resigned myself to his winning (fair or, more likely, foul) nonetheless i refuse to believe that his solid "positive" fan-base is as large as some would like us to believe. while i do have a sinking feeling this year's winner may reflect this year's BB ...hope floats!
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:38
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I reckon he will win, but he has nothing to offer his adoring public after Big Brother unless Songs of Praise or the God Channel is their bag.

That's good for the rest of us as he'll most likely be the first winner not to make a tv career out off the back of Big Brother and we'll never have to see him again unless it's in our nightmares.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:41
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Nush received just over 200,000 votes two weeks ago, against the might of public favourite Gos. This week, she got 951,000. I think it is reasonable to assume that most of that extra three-quarters of a million votes were NOT engendered by anything she has or has not done in the house since then. She's ALWAYS giggled/interrupted/given unbelievably cretinous nomination reasons; is someone asking me to believe that, say, 300,000 people have only just noticed? Because if they are, I'm not buying it. Cameron can be seen to command a sizable army of votes, and presumably they can afford to do it all again this week.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:49
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Originally posted by boardmarker
Nush received just over 200,000 votes two weeks ago, against the might of public favourite Gos. This week, she got 951,000. I think it is reasonable to assume that most of that extra three-quarters of a million votes were NOT enegendered by anything she has or has not done in the house since then. She's ALWAYS giggled/interrupted/given unbelievably cretinous nomination reasons; is someone asking me to believe that, say, 300,000 people have only just noticed? Because if they are, I'm not buying it. Cameron can be seen to command a sizable army of votes, and presumably they can afford to do it all again this week.
That's a good point but there could be several reasons why Nush got so many more votes this time round. Since she went up against Gos, there's been the Nush/Scott angle which resulted in the kiss. That might have pissed off the Scott teenies out there and people who thought she was out of order for kissing another bloke while she had a boyfriend.

It might be because Cameron and Steph started focusing their bitching on Nush and their fans followed suit and respnded by picking up the phone. Or it might be because she was up against the housewives favourite.

I personally think it was a combination of all those things but what do I know? I'm not a jealous teeny or a housewife.
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Old 19-07-2003, 19:58
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Originally posted by sympathy
That's a good point but there could be several reasons why Nush got so many more votes this time round. Since she went up against Gos, there's been the Nush/Scott angle which resulted in the kiss. That might have pissed off the Scott teenies out there and people who thought she was out of order for kissing another bloke while she had a boyfriend.

It might be because Cameron and Steph started focusing their bitching on Nush and their fans followed suit and respnded by picking up the phone. Or it might be because she was up against the housewives favourite.

I personally think it was a combination of all those things but what do I know? I'm not a jealous teeny or a housewife.
Sorry but when exactly did Cam focus his bitching on Nush?

I'm not a jealous teeny or a housewife either
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Old 19-07-2003, 20:10
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He started on Nush after Lisa was evicted. Did you convieniently forget how he was complaining about her interrupting all the time and how she's a bad drunk? I'd call that bitching but of course Cam fans would see that as jolly banter.

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Old 19-07-2003, 20:21
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He started on Nush after Lisa was evicted. Did you convieniently forget how he was complaining about her interrupting all the time and how she's a bad drunk? I'd call that bitching but of course Cam fans would see that as jolly banter.

agreed^^^...it became a consistent/concerted/contrived/manipulative attempt by cam and steph to undermine nush both in the house and to the GBP...insidious and venomous

and let's not forget cam's expressed desire to suffocate her!
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Old 19-07-2003, 20:36
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Unfortunately Cameron will win.

Channel 4 will have completed what they set out to do, that being, rig the show so the idiot will win.

The large majority of votes are from tweenies who see Cameron as 'the perfect gentlemen' and an 'ideal dad'.

It's sickening, Cameron is the sort of fellow I'd stay well away from in real life for fear of assault.

Word of warning, if Endemol rigged it this year, you can be certain they will do the same next year.

**digiUK spits
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