Sarah for me.
Seems like Webber and Co already have the pr machine behind Samantha. She's no Nancy - no warmth to her at all.
Seems like Webber and Co already have the pr machine behind Samantha. She's no Nancy - no warmth to her at all.
POLL PLEASE: I'll Do Anything, Favourite Nancy
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Originally Posted by miaviv:
“What does it take to get a poll on here then ?! Shall I start another thread eh ?”
“What does it take to get a poll on here then ?! Shall I start another thread eh ?”
Give it time miaviv!! Going to be bold and say:
The winner will be Samantha.
And if its not her, it should be!
Originally Posted by cressidab:
“Sarah for me.
Seems like Webber and Co already have the pr machine behind Samantha. She's no Nancy - no warmth to her at all.”
“Sarah for me.
Seems like Webber and Co already have the pr machine behind Samantha. She's no Nancy - no warmth to her at all.”
Well as obviously talented as Sam is, for me, she is more POP star material than West End stage material, she has a great voice and could do stuff like WWRY etc, but I dont see a career for her in MT, however if it quite obvious that ALW is slightly in love with her, very confident performance for someone of that age, but not naturally sexy, not yet, she will be.
Sarah belongs in MT and I believe she will have a career and I feel the she deserves a career but I am not sure if NANCY is the role for her to do it in.
Rachel is just so talented and professional and has so much more to show but I didnt particularly enjoy the choice of song, that is a hard sing, and even as a sugarbabes song just not a particularly good one, in my opinion.
Niamh is talented but I thnk I am just missing this magic that everyone talks about, but she looks amazing, very interesting and very differentto what we usually see, she reminds of one of the CORRS sisters.
Jodie did herself proud and show her great potential to play NANCY, although I am wary if she is not careful that she could get too cabaret, I hope not.
I have seen Jessie do better, but she did well.
Francesca has a stronger voice than Ashley but atleast Ashley stayed in tune, Francescas tuning was all over the shop.
Keisha, although not showing s typical NANCY, was sexy, strong and controlled, I thought she did her thing and did it very well, definitely one of the strongest. A lot of this is a popularity contest too, so unfortunately its gonna come down to that as well as talent.
As for the others, they did very well, but nothing stand out I'm afraid.
As for Tara, well I really dont want offend or upset anyone, and this is not personal, but I she was unsurprisingly bad, I am sorry to say. I would have loved her to prove me wrong, but she didnt and I am still trying to understand what she is doing there, in that 12. Oh wait for it.. she is pretty gorgeous, maybe thats it... because she is talented but not enough, Sorry if that sounds harsh.
playhousechick, I will defer to your opinions about singing technique and the like, but allow me to step in and correct your assertion that Samantha is not naturally sexy. She is by far the most attractive/ sexy contestant on the show. By far.
And I thought that before she turned up wearing underwear.
And I thought that before she turned up wearing underwear.
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“playhousechick, I will defer to your opinions about singing technique and the like, but allow me to step in and correct your assertion that Samantha is not naturally sexy. She is by far the most attractive/ sexy contestant on the show. By far.
And I thought that before she turned up wearing underwear.”
“playhousechick, I will defer to your opinions about singing technique and the like, but allow me to step in and correct your assertion that Samantha is not naturally sexy. She is by far the most attractive/ sexy contestant on the show. By far.
And I thought that before she turned up wearing underwear.”
Thats all good onwards and upwards, but I dont think it is possible to correct someones PERSONAL opinion, as it is not wrong and it is not right, it is an opinion. I completley agree and have said it in pervious posts that she is very beautiful and probably is the most attractive of the girls, however attractiveness and sexiness are two very different things and sexiness comes down to whatever floats your boat, I think women are sexy, I dont think girls are sexy and I dont think I want them to be, but I know that all a lot of 17 year olds want to be is sexy. She is definitely not far off it in my eyes, but sexiness is not just a physical thing it is about the mind, and I think Keisha and Jodie and Rachel have a sexiness about them, but that does not mean they are the most attractive. I am not asking you to agree with me onwards and upwards, but do you get my point???
I get your point playhousechick, and heaven forbid that I disenfranchise you as a woman from having opinions about other women's sexiness, but I think that Samantha is so far more sexy than the other three you mentioned that it constitutes, in my red blooded masculine opinion, an objective reality.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.
And for what it's worth, I agree with you about the fact that it's in the mind rather than the age. It is not her youth that makes her sexy. It is her confidence.
The clincher was, at the end of her performance, her upper lip did a semblance of an Elvis lip curl. That's a sign of someone in a zone of supreme connection with their positive energy.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.
And for what it's worth, I agree with you about the fact that it's in the mind rather than the age. It is not her youth that makes her sexy. It is her confidence.
The clincher was, at the end of her performance, her upper lip did a semblance of an Elvis lip curl. That's a sign of someone in a zone of supreme connection with their positive energy.
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“I get your point playhousechick, and heaven forbid that I disenfranchise you as a woman from having opinions about other women's sexiness, but I think that Samantha is so far more sexy than the other three you mentioned that it constitutes, in my red blooded masculine opinion, an objective reality.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.”
“I get your point playhousechick, and heaven forbid that I disenfranchise you as a woman from having opinions about other women's sexiness, but I think that Samantha is so far more sexy than the other three you mentioned that it constitutes, in my red blooded masculine opinion, an objective reality.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.”
You know what onwards and upwards, that is v funny, because I was nearly gonna say that Sam is what young guys find sexy, and obviously that is exactly the case. She is exactly what a young hot blooded male would find sexy for sure, she is almost teen dream sexy in youn girls eyes, but like I say the Men I know think she she has great potential but not just yet. Ok I wil concede and say she gave a sexy performance, but thats what I mean, she was putting on a sexy performance, she wasnt just being sexy, like Keisha was, but hey you aren't gonna change your mind and rightly so, horses for courses and all that. Let me say this an example, Angelina Jolie is sooooo bloody sexy, wow what a sexy woman, without even trying,
but I doubt she was sexy at 17.
I am glad we agree though, that Francesca did not sing well at all, she picked a song too big for her voice and unfortunatley showed er weaknesses rather than her strengths and as for TARA, please dont make me go there again
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“I get your point playhousechick, and heaven forbid that I disenfranchise you as a woman from having opinions about other women's sexiness, but I think that Samantha is so far more sexy than the other three you mentioned that it constitutes, in my red blooded masculine opinion, an objective reality.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.”
“I get your point playhousechick, and heaven forbid that I disenfranchise you as a woman from having opinions about other women's sexiness, but I think that Samantha is so far more sexy than the other three you mentioned that it constitutes, in my red blooded masculine opinion, an objective reality.
Samantha is in a completely different league from Rachel, Keisha and Jodie. A COMPLETELY different league.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for instance, anyone whose opinion it is that Francesca sang well last night ought, merely in my opinion, to recalibrate to a standard of objective consensus.
I would say the same to you about this opinion, in the nicest possible way. I don't expect you to concede the point, but put it this way, she is anywhere near their level of sexiness in the same way that Tara was the best performer last night.”
As another red blooded male I have to agree with playhousechick completely.
BTW You cannot say it is just your opinion and claim it is an objective reality, it simply isn't.
Well, putting Samantha aside for a minute, allow me to squash this rubbish notion that we must always respectfully worship the opinions of others. That's a crock of crap. If I went up on the stage auditioning for Joseph and you heard my singing voice, anyone who formed an opinion that I should get the part would be OBJECTIVELY WRONG. That's my personal opinion and it would also be an objectively right opinion.
What this comes down to is that there is such a thing as an objective standard of merit, and personal opinions may or may not perceive that standard depending on the disposition of the holder of the opinion.
Now it is a lot easier for us to apply this to someone's singing voice than to attractiveness/ sexiness. We should not pussyfoot around and say that oh yes, it is each of our personal opinions that Tara and Francesca performed badly yesterday but we cannot truly know because there is no objective standard which personal opinions circle around. Let's have the confidence to say, they performed badly and anyone who comes on here saying Wasn't Tara terrific? is bringing deafness or familial relation to the table and is messing up the quality of the debate.
Attractiveness/ sexiness - ok, ok, far more subjective. But then it isn't subjective if you were to compare Angelina Jolie with Ann Widdecombe. If there is someone out there who is asserting that the old bag is the more sexy, let's once again have the confidence to say, ok, "you have a right to your opinion", but objectively, good luck on your little island because the overwhelming preponderance of contrary opinion implies an alternative objective standard.
Bringing it back to Samantha v Rachel, Jodie and Keisha - well what I was trying to say is that it may not be Angelina v Widdy, but it isn't a fair fight either. It's David Haye v Amir Khan. Amir might be perfectly good at cabaret and not nearly a catty old spinster, but he is not going to knock David Haye out in a million years.
Hopefully I have confused you sufficiently with that comparison to make my escape...
What this comes down to is that there is such a thing as an objective standard of merit, and personal opinions may or may not perceive that standard depending on the disposition of the holder of the opinion.
Now it is a lot easier for us to apply this to someone's singing voice than to attractiveness/ sexiness. We should not pussyfoot around and say that oh yes, it is each of our personal opinions that Tara and Francesca performed badly yesterday but we cannot truly know because there is no objective standard which personal opinions circle around. Let's have the confidence to say, they performed badly and anyone who comes on here saying Wasn't Tara terrific? is bringing deafness or familial relation to the table and is messing up the quality of the debate.
Attractiveness/ sexiness - ok, ok, far more subjective. But then it isn't subjective if you were to compare Angelina Jolie with Ann Widdecombe. If there is someone out there who is asserting that the old bag is the more sexy, let's once again have the confidence to say, ok, "you have a right to your opinion", but objectively, good luck on your little island because the overwhelming preponderance of contrary opinion implies an alternative objective standard.
Bringing it back to Samantha v Rachel, Jodie and Keisha - well what I was trying to say is that it may not be Angelina v Widdy, but it isn't a fair fight either. It's David Haye v Amir Khan. Amir might be perfectly good at cabaret and not nearly a catty old spinster, but he is not going to knock David Haye out in a million years.
Hopefully I have confused you sufficiently with that comparison to make my escape...
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“Well, putting Samantha aside for a minute, allow me to squash this rubbish notion that we must always respectfully worship the opinions of others. That's a crock of crap. If I went up on the stage auditioning for Joseph and you heard my singing voice, anyone who formed an opinion that I should get the part would be OBJECTIVELY WRONG. That's my personal opinion and it would also be an objectively right opinion.
What this comes down to is that there is such a thing as an objective standard of merit, and personal opinions may or may not perceive that standard depending on the disposition of the holder of the opinion.
Now it is a lot easier for us to apply this to someone's singing voice than to attractiveness/ sexiness. We should not pussyfoot around and say that oh yes, it is each of our personal opinions that Tara and Francesca performed badly yesterday but we cannot truly know because there is no objective standard which personal opinions circle around. Let's have the confidence to say, they performed badly and anyone who comes on here saying Wasn't Tara terrific? is bringing deafness or familial relation to the table and is messing up the quality of the debate.
Attractiveness/ sexiness - ok, ok, far more subjective. But then it isn't subjective if you were to compare Angelina Jolie with Ann Widdecombe. If there is someone out there who is asserting that the old bag is the more sexy, let's once again have the confidence to say, ok, "you have a right to your opinion", but objectively, good luck on your little island because the overwhelming preponderance of contrary opinion implies an alternative objective standard.
Bringing it back to Samantha v Rachel, Jodie and Keisha - well what I was trying to say is that it may not be Angelina v Widdy, but it isn't a fair fight either. It's David Haye v Amir Khan. Amir might be perfectly good at cabaret and not nearly a catty old spinster, but he is not going to knock David Haye out in a million years.
Hopefully I have confused you sufficiently with that comparison to make my escape...”
“Well, putting Samantha aside for a minute, allow me to squash this rubbish notion that we must always respectfully worship the opinions of others. That's a crock of crap. If I went up on the stage auditioning for Joseph and you heard my singing voice, anyone who formed an opinion that I should get the part would be OBJECTIVELY WRONG. That's my personal opinion and it would also be an objectively right opinion.
What this comes down to is that there is such a thing as an objective standard of merit, and personal opinions may or may not perceive that standard depending on the disposition of the holder of the opinion.
Now it is a lot easier for us to apply this to someone's singing voice than to attractiveness/ sexiness. We should not pussyfoot around and say that oh yes, it is each of our personal opinions that Tara and Francesca performed badly yesterday but we cannot truly know because there is no objective standard which personal opinions circle around. Let's have the confidence to say, they performed badly and anyone who comes on here saying Wasn't Tara terrific? is bringing deafness or familial relation to the table and is messing up the quality of the debate.
Attractiveness/ sexiness - ok, ok, far more subjective. But then it isn't subjective if you were to compare Angelina Jolie with Ann Widdecombe. If there is someone out there who is asserting that the old bag is the more sexy, let's once again have the confidence to say, ok, "you have a right to your opinion", but objectively, good luck on your little island because the overwhelming preponderance of contrary opinion implies an alternative objective standard.
Bringing it back to Samantha v Rachel, Jodie and Keisha - well what I was trying to say is that it may not be Angelina v Widdy, but it isn't a fair fight either. It's David Haye v Amir Khan. Amir might be perfectly good at cabaret and not nearly a catty old spinster, but he is not going to knock David Haye out in a million years.
Hopefully I have confused you sufficiently with that comparison to make my escape...”
Still doesn't stop you in my opinion being wrong and if there is conflicting opinions it can't be objective. There simple answer to a long winded post.
You got one thing right - it was simple.
Maybe we can get the English teacher in from the adjacent thread to correct the four grammatical mistakes you managed to achieve in one sentence. Is that a subjective opinion or an objective standard?
Maybe we can get the English teacher in from the adjacent thread to correct the four grammatical mistakes you managed to achieve in one sentence. Is that a subjective opinion or an objective standard?
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“You got one thing right - it was simple.”
“You got one thing right - it was simple.”
Cheap and unnecessary. Your use of English was either wrong or just maliciously trying to put down playhousechick's opinion as irrelevant. I prefer to believe the former which is why I corrected your mistake for your own benefit.
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“You got one thing right - it was simple.
Maybe we can get the English teacher in from the adjacent thread to correct the four grammatical mistakes you managed to achieve in one sentence. Is that a subjective opinion or an objective standard?”
“You got one thing right - it was simple.
Maybe we can get the English teacher in from the adjacent thread to correct the four grammatical mistakes you managed to achieve in one sentence. Is that a subjective opinion or an objective standard?”
Could you please post them I'm always willing to learn, being dyslexic I try to spell check all my posts but it does hamper my composition somewhat.
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“You have broken my heart.
Oh Whip, let's not argue.”
“You have broken my heart.
Oh Whip, let's not argue.”
Sorry I'm still waiting for the English lesson so I can correct my post. As I said I'm always willing to learn.
I will concede that Samantha is a mangy old goat and maybe one day you will let into your heart the subjective notion that relativism is but the cancer that is dragging our society toward oblivion.
Originally Posted by Onwards&Upwards:
“I will concede that Samantha is a mangy old goat and maybe one day you will let into your heart the subjective notion that relativism is but the cancer that is dragging our society toward oblivion.”
“I will concede that Samantha is a mangy old goat and maybe one day you will let into your heart the subjective notion that relativism is but the cancer that is dragging our society toward oblivion.”
So when you can't answer questions you just descend into irrelevant hyperbole?
Unfortunatly I didn't get to see them all last night as I had to go out and forgot to switch on the recorder. I'm still liking Jessie.
I wish they'd put their names up as they do the run throughs tonight so I'd start to remember who they all are.
I thought Cleo looked much better with her hair curley. And I think they should all sing the same tempo of song each week so we could compare like with like.
I wish they'd put their names up as they do the run throughs tonight so I'd start to remember who they all are.
I thought Cleo looked much better with her hair curley. And I think they should all sing the same tempo of song each week so we could compare like with like.
Originally Posted by whip:
“Cheap and unnecessary. Your use of English was either wrong or just maliciously trying to put down playhousechick's opinion as irrelevant. I prefer to believe the former which is why I corrected your mistake for your own benefit.”
“Cheap and unnecessary. Your use of English was either wrong or just maliciously trying to put down playhousechick's opinion as irrelevant. I prefer to believe the former which is why I corrected your mistake for your own benefit.”
Ok people, listen up, lets not get personal. It is quite obvious to most people wether someone can sing or cannot sing, ok? That an easy one to sort out, we can all hear if someone can sing or not, as to sing, officially you just have to be able to sing in tune. However after that it becomes more difficult, because like sexiness it comes down to personal taste and preference. If you get two people who can sing, then you might think one is the better singer, I will think the other because it will come down to what tone and range is most pleasing to your ear. Kylie can sing but I dont particularly like her voice and the sound she makes, I prefer the sound of Alecia Keys and Mary J and Lucie Silvas, they have a sound I like to hear, others may disagree, and that is the same as sexiness. We all know what we find sexy but we dont all agree on it being the same thing, some people are into leather, some people think its just ucomfortable and chafes too much, you get my meaning?
As for Ann widdecombe and Angelina, its hardly a fair comparison as they are of completely different times, I am sure Ann knew how to work it back in her day, and I have to say my Husband really does not find Angelina Jolie sa
sexy or attarctive at all, not his type, but he thinks someone like Jennofer Lopez is attractive and sexy, thats right for him, maybe it's not right for you, but he knows who can sing and who cannot, so they are two different subject matters you cannot really compare.
I agree that Sam is in a different league to some of the others, but we will not say who is PREMIERSHIP and who is 2nd Division.
I prefered her performance tonight in the Nancy number, much better than last nights.
oh and apologies for any grammatical errors, but to be honest, can't say I give a rats arse.
Originally Posted by DustySuperfan:
“I don't like any of the finalists. They knocked out all the best Nancy's. The Liverpool girl was great, and the one actually called Nancy!”
“I don't like any of the finalists. They knocked out all the best Nancy's. The Liverpool girl was great, and the one actually called Nancy!”
she was one of my favourites too - I was so disappointed they didn't put her through as I was looking forward to seeing her performances. I love Jodie and Jessie is good but I actually think that Cleopatra and Rachel have the rawness to be Nancy so far. Just my opinion.
jodie for me ,well i have to say that dont i as she is my mate,i worked with jodie in blackpool,we were both on the singing circuit.she is one of the nicest girls you could wish to meet.her mother is fab too,she owns a residential home for the elderly,she supports jodie 100%in everything that she does.jodie's stage name in blackpool is jodie moore,a very popular act is jodie,soooooo funny and a great voice
so its jodie all the way for me,love her to bits
so its jodie all the way for me,love her to bits
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