Cameron in BB3 would've been hilarious.

I'd also liked to have seen his interaction with Anna, Caroline, Nichola and Nick from BB1 and Brian, Josh, Dean, Narinder and Penny from BB2.

Cameron is one of those conflicted, controversial characters who would've worked well in every series so far.

Whether you like him or dislike him, you must admit that he's good box office.

Not from me! I've had my say on the matter and have concluded that there is no point in rehashing old ground. I can't see many people changing their opinion, and I've seen no evidence to suggest that this has happened, no matter what the rebuttal or arguments.

but if cameron worked out,
lost some of his weight...
was more physically attractive...
would it matter what his faults were?

you would like him because he was fit?

mmmmmm nice fudge

This is the problem with some fans of Cameron Stout.

When asked to give reasons and insights as to why they like him (and this is the title of the thread) you accuse the person who started the thread of "Cameron bashing"

Then when asked again politely and openly for your evidence you decline saying you have already given it.

Not in this thread you haven't.

All I have read is your abuse of another forum member.

This sort of calling people stupid without any evidence or insight is exactly the sort of thing people hate Cameron for.

Your refusal (or inability more probably) to string together a cogent argument is interesting.

Especially on this thread which you were not forced to join.

Now if there are any Cameron fans who wish to disassociate themselves from this kind of thing...

WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU

The evidence is subjective and would therefore be disputed. It is based on watching BB and forming an opinion based on what has been said and done since the beginning. Perhaps you'll accuse me of drying up, but I'm not going to list every example to back up my personal feelings. I've said how I feel and life is too short.

I do however appreciate evidence to the contrary, indeed I welcome it if it's well argued and not just a lazy attack. You're right in that I don't think it all comes from jealous Jon lovers, and I've never resorted to personal abuse like that to try and win an argument. Despite the fact that arguments shouldn't be about winners and losers, it shows a lack of courtesy and intellect.

I once said I'd scream if another "Justify yourselves Cam fans!" thread appeared, and I did. I won't scream this time though, just sigh and move on with my life

Are "we"? If you want to read my personal take on Cameron's character then scroll back to the link that was provided a few replies ago - on, I think, page 4 of that thread I go into great detail about what I saw as both his positive and negative traits.

If you feel that I have overstepped the mark with regards to a fellow forum poster than please go ahead and make a formal complaint.

You might beat me up in the playground

I'd like to point out a great post by alexq in this thread http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...73#post1047573 on which I'm in complete agreement. I thought that one would be the last "Justify yourselves" thread, sadly I was waaaaaaay wrong

Imo this hits the nail on the head. I have been trying to understand why I dislike the man so much. Usually housemates don't get under my skin, they are all human and only playing a game. However something about Cameron makes me go cold and leaves a bad feeling. It is not so much his comments re. windpipes and shutting people up, or his constant bitching and snide remarks, usually followed by his false laugh, but more to do with the fact that he is one giant fraud. He is pulling the wool over all our eyes and having a big laugh at our expense. The guy is not real. He knows he is going to walk away with 70 grand, having played a very clever trick on the gullible public and seems to be gloating.

I may be wrong but Sorca's post got me thinking.

Caz

If he were to trendy and tone himself up a bit, he would be easier on the eye as he is not a bad looking chap, but I have found in the past that when initally thinking someone was stunning, having got to know them, they don't remain attractive any more. Conversely, someone who is not so attractive on first glance but who has a fantastic personality, becomes more attractive!

Thankfully, of course, I am both attractive and have a fabulous personality!!

Thank you.

Just to point out that some people do not spend their lives reading all the threads.

I have read quite a few about Cameron and have not read a better justification for not sending Cameron straight to hell on the Day of the Last judgement

I do not agree with all your points but they are well made.

Most points on this board are closely related to thousands of others in the themes and opinions they put forward.

The knack (and I claim no great success here) is to present the same tired old points in a fresh and interesting way.

But if you can't be bothered...:yawn:

I'd just like to say that the points were made by alexq and not me. I wish I had the same talent for explanation but sadly I'm too lazy

My take on Cameron is that his personality is constructed, but not fake (he is clearly very different from his brother and mother - he even sounds different from them). For whatever reasons, this is the way he confronts the world: as a very religious businessman who emphasises his background, in part, no doubt for advantage, but also because, like his newly found religion, it helps him confront a world he finds troubling and frightening. Representatives of what he finds hard to deal with earn no mercy from him, as he has a definite idea of his own righteousness: atheist Jon, garrulous and uppity Lisa, New Age Nush, socially confident Tania, challenging Fed - these have all given him problems. Wht is he on BB? I've said on other threads that I am sure religoin is a big reason - success will justify himself, his choices and his world view. I don't support him, as I feel his world view is probably far more extreme than he has presented.

Have we been watching the same programme with the same Cameron?!
I do agree that Steph on a secure remote Scottish island would be preferable to her being on TV

spearish get help you know you need it ;}

Excellent insight. Cameron definitely is successful. Each success brings more self justification. At the beginning he played things much more carefully. All the time however he was playing in a very emotionally intelligent way. Everything he did was immaculately controlled. Not backing up Jon when he agreed with him (on the bell ringing) because he clearly saw an opportunity to weaken Jon. People think his not drinking is "self control" but as he doesn't drink it's hardly so (although if he was a hardened drinker on the outside, I think he would probably give it up for BB). It leaves him firmly in control. As his self image strengthens (as it really has by beating Nush) he is getting more and more offensive to Jon, and Scott will probably follow. It's clear to most that he is ruthlessly manipulating Steff, now even rebutting her attempts to flirt with him. Ray is now coming under his spell.

Winning BB will make him more self assured, more likely to succeed but also more likley to head for the massive fall that will come when someone more powerful than him rumbles him.

I would love to work with Cam, but I'm not sure I'd survive.

an irrisistable combination

The thing that pro Cam posters fail to do is to give specific examples of any brave, selfless, generous behaviour of Cameron's to justify his nice guy tag. The anti-Cam camp don't deny that he gives a good impression, most people liked him in the initial stages, they just assert that an impression is all it is. They then give plenty of specific examples why he is not a nice guy at all.

The pro Cam guys continue to go on about Cam but all they give up are generalisations...very little specific evidence. This frustrates the anti Cams who know all about the impression he gives but can't believe the pro Cams can't see it's a misleading one. And so on and so on.

If people liked Cam because he's a ruthless devious game player trying to put one up C4 and the sad saps who vote for him...now that would be an argument...

My thoughts exactly.


and from thms

zzenzero said~

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We know Endemol etc love him
Dermot either loves him too or is shit scared of his bosses

am I the only one who thinks Dermot has been ever so slightly ripping the piss out of Cameron every now and then?? I'd go with the shit scared of the bosses.

Cameron will win by default all the others are so boring he is the only one with character wither you like it or not. It's not who you like but who draws you to watch and it is him.

[The pro Cam guys continue to go on about Cam but all they give up are generalisations...very little specific evidence. This frustrates the anti Cams who know all about the impression he gives but can't believe the pro Cams can't see it's a misleading one. And so on and so on.

If people liked Cam because he's a ruthless devious game player trying to put one up C4 and the sad saps who vote for him...now that would be an argument... [/b][/quote]

I find Cam refreshing in that he is willing to look stupid and put himself up for ridicule. The gusto in the RR with Ray - having fun and not worrying about the mickey-taking that might that goes on - and the Pavarotti fat costume. He doesn't worry about how he looks as some of the others but is also vulnerable about his figure [didn't someone say he was bigger quite recently].

He is amusing, was very sincere when talking about his baptism [when asked by Ray] and obviously moved by this. He has faults [Lisa incidents were not showing him at his best] but I think anti-Cam fans magnify his faults and demonise him out of all proportion.

He has been a good listener for several folk and has readily got stuck in to all tasks. He has an infectious smile and intelligently contributes to discussions. He doesn't like some of the excesses of drink which some folk see as party pooping but he enjoys a laugh without drink so why should he do something he is not comfortable with.

Maybe I am naive or gullible but I have watched alot of E4 and despite sometimes being disappointed in his behaviour on balance I find more to like than not.

This sums it up very nicely. Thanks Plato.

me to, his fit of laughter on tonights channe4 highlights
at the edward woodward joke had me crying with laughter

Thanks for the support thms. I saw it as I taped the E4 coverage and it was hilarious.
Surprised no anti-cam fans have come back at me. They kept demanding examples but don't like the answers ?!

i've got it on tape too,
i will watch that bit
before i go to bed
agree about the drinking
my italian sister in law
had difficulty adjusting to
life in glasgow because
she was offerred drinks
constantly at parties
she stuck to water
and was always the
life and soul of the party