I love that quip Sir Alan made about his masters/degree.
"Outstanding, does that mean you haven't got it yet?"
Brilliant!
I laughed and laughed!
"Outstanding, does that mean you haven't got it yet?"
Brilliant!
I laughed and laughed!
Sir Alan "Outstanding"
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Originally Posted by bigbrother:
“He clearly really knew what it meant
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“He clearly really knew what it meant
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Oh I misread that then. Still think it was a silly thing to say.
Originally Posted by bigbrother:
“He clearly really knew what it meant”
“He clearly really knew what it meant
”
'Course he did!
He was just trying to dent Nick's massive ego.
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“'Course he did!
He was just trying to dent Nick's massive ego.”
“'Course he did!
He was just trying to dent Nick's massive ego.”
Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
Maybe not but if he was so outstanding why wasn't he more able to defend his corner better in the boardroom?
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
Did you actually watch the show?
It wasn't inverse snobbery, it was gently mocking the fact that someone who had received outstanding education results had proved to be anything but outstanding in the task.
He should have been able to run rings round the others in the boardroom.
He should have a way with words as a trainee barrister. I wouldn't want him defending me.
He is well educated, but now he has to apply that in business. Two completely different disciplines.
He should have a way with words as a trainee barrister. I wouldn't want him defending me.
He is well educated, but now he has to apply that in business. Two completely different disciplines.
Originally Posted by foxy23:
“He should have been able to run rings round the others in the boardroom.
He should have a way with words as a trainee barrister. I wouldn't want him defending me.
He is well educated, but now he has to apply that in business. Two completely different disciplines.”
“He should have been able to run rings round the others in the boardroom.
He should have a way with words as a trainee barrister. I wouldn't want him defending me.
He is well educated, but now he has to apply that in business. Two completely different disciplines.”
Absolutely - well said! What a twit he was!
now that you mention it sylvia ... yes
he was poor in the task (as were many others) but he became an odious character due to some of his comments/misplaced confidence. I think he needed taking down a peg or two, so thank you Sir Alan.
he was poor in the task (as were many others) but he became an odious character due to some of his comments/misplaced confidence. I think he needed taking down a peg or two, so thank you Sir Alan.
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
“Well if that was the aim it was the wrong target. An Outstanding is extremely hard to get so it's the one thing of which he had a right to be proud. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”
There aren't many courses that have the grading 'outstanding' - I hadn't heard of any before tonight. Why a barrister of that sort of level is going on The Apprentice I've no idea
Thought it was a great line myself
Originally Posted by Toxteth O'Grady:
“What qualification has the grade 'outstanding'? None I've ever heard of. ”
“What qualification has the grade 'outstanding'? None I've ever heard of. ”
Nor me.
I thought it was quite funny for AMS, but then I don't generally rate his SOH anyway because he shouts too much.
Originally Posted by Clarat:
“Did you actually watch the show?
It wasn't inverse snobbery, it was gently mocking the fact that someone who had received outstanding education results had proved to be anything but outstanding in the task.”
“Did you actually watch the show?
It wasn't inverse snobbery, it was gently mocking the fact that someone who had received outstanding education results had proved to be anything but outstanding in the task.”
Yes I did watch it. And that wasn't how I read it. Making a big show of not knowing what it means is not clever and is exactly inverse snobbery - and disingenuous with it if he knew what it was all along. He could easily have used the line without making a show of not knowing what it meant initially.
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“Nor me.”
“Nor me.
”
Yes I am realising from the thread that it's obviously not generally known outside the industry. Bar school is graded competent, very competent and outstanding. Outstanding is very hard to get and you'll be lucky to get more than a couple in an entire year group. He should rightly be proud of it. That doesn't detract from Sir Alan's point that it doesn't mean those who get an outstanding know anything about operating in the world that most of us inhabit.
Originally Posted by foxy23:
“Yes, he does look like David Cameron. Strange”
“Yes, he does look like David Cameron. Strange”
oh my, just seen the resemblance!
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“... Bar school is graded competent, very competent and outstanding. Outstanding is very hard to get and you'll be lucky to get more than a couple in an entire year group. He should rightly be proud of it. That doesn't detract from Sir Alan's point that it doesn't mean those who get an outstanding know anything about operating in the world that most of us inhabit.”
“... Bar school is graded competent, very competent and outstanding. Outstanding is very hard to get and you'll be lucky to get more than a couple in an entire year group. He should rightly be proud of it. That doesn't detract from Sir Alan's point that it doesn't mean those who get an outstanding know anything about operating in the world that most of us inhabit.”
I was really surprised that Nick couldn't put his points better in the boardroom. I'd have thought he'd have been a very articulate individual, practised at making relevant points persuasively and concisely. Instead he went off on some sort of class divide argument and didn't even stop when he was clearly getting negative signals from the others, but went on to try and expound further.
He doesn't seem to me to have experience of a broad range of people in that didn't seem aware that even introducing such an argument is likely to be alienating and didn't read signals correctly in that he persisted with the argument. I wouldn't feel confident in him presenting a case of mine in court.
I don't agree with SAS that highly educated and qualified people are hopeless in a practical sense, but unfortunately I can see how he's gained that opinion from the ones on this show!
I wasn't surprised. The Bar is full of grade one tossers; the rules of legal discourse have clearly defined boundaries and are nothing to do with having a 'normal' conversation and Bar School is nothing to do with experiencing a broad range of people.
With his academic ability he would be able to go into an area of law peopled by clients similar to himself who will pay him good money to sort out the kind of issue the rest of us can't understand (eg shipping or chancery).
What interests me is that even though he could walk into a career at the Bar he still isn't satisfied. He's obviously a frustrated artist (though not so frustrated if you look at his website that bigs up his artwork) and a high IQ and fancy CV aren't getting him what he wants from life.
And of course I don't mean that all highly educated and qualified people are hopeless in a practical sense - but I do think a significant proportion of them are. Probably because they don't have the 'life experience' the rest of us acquire.
With his academic ability he would be able to go into an area of law peopled by clients similar to himself who will pay him good money to sort out the kind of issue the rest of us can't understand (eg shipping or chancery).
What interests me is that even though he could walk into a career at the Bar he still isn't satisfied. He's obviously a frustrated artist (though not so frustrated if you look at his website that bigs up his artwork) and a high IQ and fancy CV aren't getting him what he wants from life.
And of course I don't mean that all highly educated and qualified people are hopeless in a practical sense - but I do think a significant proportion of them are. Probably because they don't have the 'life experience' the rest of us acquire.
Originally Posted by foxy23:
“I love that quip Sir Alan made about his masters/degree.
"Outstanding, does that mean you haven't got it yet?"
Brilliant!
I laughed and laughed!”
“I love that quip Sir Alan made about his masters/degree.
"Outstanding, does that mean you haven't got it yet?"
Brilliant!
I laughed and laughed!”
Oh I didn't get it until I read it from you!! So thanks!
I also cringed thinking - "don't you know!!"
Originally Posted by Clarat:
“Did you actually watch the show?
It wasn't inverse snobbery, it was gently mocking the fact that someone who had received outstanding education results had proved to be anything but outstanding in the task.”
“Did you actually watch the show?
It wasn't inverse snobbery, it was gently mocking the fact that someone who had received outstanding education results had proved to be anything but outstanding in the task.”
Come now, it was hardly "gentle mocking". Sir Alan has a long and proven dislike of people who have any type of education.
Was greatly amused by that - SAS needed to knock Nicholas off his "I considered my B as a failure" perch.
Forgive my ignorance - but did Sir Alan say that Nick had achieved his result in a Vocational Qualification? if so I thought the NVQ route was the less academic route and therefore the easier way to take? This is a genuine question not a statement of fact by the way - before I get jumped on !
- but did Sir Alan say that Nick had achieved his result in a Vocational Qualification? if so I thought the NVQ route was the less academic route and therefore the easier way to take? This is a genuine question not a statement of fact by the way - before I get jumped on !
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