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Sir Alan "Outstanding"
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Clarat
27-03-2008
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“He isn't a qualified barrister. He hasn't even done his pupillage. He's done academic courses back to back and has no experience of work at all. I've no doubt he will now do very well; he obviously has intellectual ability and the Bar will love the fact that he divided people into educated and non educated (no I am not joking).”

I'm sure you are right that they would love that, but for the fact that he was wrong! Alex was privately educated and has a 2:1 degree. He said un-educated but he meant lower class, he judged Alex on his northern accent. Us northerners can get a decent education occasionally!
skyl1ght
27-03-2008
Yes I noticed that. He equated affected 'posh' voice with educated and anything else as uneducated. But then what else would you expect from a man who changed his name from Nicholas Brown to Nicholas de lacy Brown. Says it all really. If he met me he'd be well and truly flaggergasted to find that I went to the same Bar School as him. Mwahahahaha
pammi_i
27-03-2008
Originally Posted by Clarat:
“I'm sure you are right that they would love that, but for the fact that he was wrong! Alex was privately educated and has a 2:1 degree. He said un-educated but he meant lower class, he judged Alex on his northern accent. Us northerners can get a decent education occasionally!”

Does Alex have a Northern accent? It didn't notice. He wasn't particularly well-spoken, for sure, but the lots of us Southerners aren't either.
pammi_i
27-03-2008
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“Yes I noticed that. He equated affected 'posh' voice with educated and anything else as uneducated. But then what else would you expect from a man who changed his name from Nicholas Brown to Nicholas de lacy Brown. Says it all really. If he met me he'd be well and truly flaggergasted to find that I went to the same Bar School as him. Mwahahahaha ”

Yes, but why did he do that? I can't help thinking it has more to do with a desire to brag about his underwear selection and only slightly a desire to look like a toff.
pammi_i
27-03-2008
Originally Posted by Clarat:
“I'm sure you are right that they would love that, but for the fact that he was wrong! Alex was privately educated and has a 2:1 degree. He said un-educated but he meant lower class, he judged Alex on his northern accent. Us northerners can get a decent education occasionally!”

I also think he'd be rubbish in any real court cases if they involved a jury because juries are supposed to be made up of ordinary people and he would almost certainly alienate them all at the first hurdle.
skyl1ght
27-03-2008
I seriously doubt he's doing criminal law.

Now I'll never be able to hear the name de Lacy again without thinking of frilly knickers hahahaha
rosieeee
28-03-2008
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“Yes I did watch it. And that wasn't how I read it. Making a big show of not knowing what it means is not clever and is exactly inverse snobbery - and disingenuous with it if he knew what it was all along. He could easily have used the line without making a show of not knowing what it meant initially.


Yes I am realising from the thread that it's obviously not generally known outside the industry. Bar school is graded competent, very competent and outstanding. Outstanding is very hard to get and you'll be lucky to get more than a couple in an entire year group. He should rightly be proud of it. That doesn't detract from Sir Alan's point that it doesn't mean those who get an outstanding know anything about operating in the world that most of us inhabit.”

that's interesting - I didn't know that.

You would still think though that he would know the price of lobster - he seemed a bit green to me - albeit highly qualified in his field.
Vivid
28-03-2008
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“That's the point you see, I don't think it did. No way does someone making him have to admit that outstanding is the grade he achieved on the BVC hitting him at all. Sir Alan could easily have made the gag without having to set it up with a stupid line about not knowing what it meant.

Anyway I won't go on about it anymore because I'm getting repetitive. ”

I agree completely.

The comment made Sugar look like an ignorant arse and must have confirmed in Nick's mind that Sugar is one of the uneducated dregs of society as well as giving Nick yet another opportunity to relish his achievement and advertise it to others although by this time in proceedings Nick seemed to have begun to consider the effect on his progression of having the cultural and intellectual gulf between himself and Sugar exposed further following his earlier speech on the problems he has to be bear from hating football and liking art and being so much more intelligent and thoughtful than his team mates and, by implication, Sugar as well.

Nick's performance in the boardroom was a remarkable piece of inept self-destruction. It was outstanding.
Slow Alex
28-03-2008
Originally Posted by skyl1ght:
“. Inverse snobbery isn't clever.”


But 'normal' snobbery is PS Working class people can become top lawyers and there are a high proportion of posh thick toffs 'Nice but Tim' (Tim Jeffries, Isabella Harvey etc)
skyl1ght
28-03-2008
I was taking it for granted that 'normal' snobbery is also not clever.
Sylvia
28-03-2008
Originally Posted by Vivid:
“I agree completely.

The comment made Sugar look like an ignorant arse and must have confirmed in Nick's mind that Sugar is one of the uneducated dregs of society destruction...”

Far from it!
Anyone with common sense (and I presume Nick had some) would have assumed that AS knew the answer but just wanted to clarify the point for the rest of us - while at the same time having a gentle dig at Nick for having shown himself to be so incompetent in spite of his 'outstanding' qualifications.
Honey84
30-03-2008
As a practicising barrister myself, I would like to make a couple of points:

1.) An "Outstanding" grade on the BVC is extremely difficult to achieve. However, it is not necessarily a good indication of how good a barrister a person will be.

2.) Barristers have to work very hard, but we do enjoy a good bit of reality TV.

3.) Most of us are trying very hard to break the stereotype of our profession. Like most stereotypes, it is chiefly unfair. This particular individual has not aided our cause.

4.) To begin a career as a barrister, you often have to fight off competition from 300-400 other people applying for the same post. It is a difficult world. If Nick has obtained pupillage, I would be extremely suprised.

5.) We have a code of conduct and are bound by our obligation not to bring the profession into disrepute. Therefore, going on "The Apprentice" is not a good professional choice.
skyl1ght
31-03-2008
The news reporting might all be wrong but if it is right then Nicholas has got pupillage - and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I'm glad you think most counsel are trying to break away from the old school image. I disagree but maybe I've been mixing in the wrong circles.
Sylvia
01-04-2008
Originally Posted by Honey84:
“We have a code of conduct and are bound by our obligation not to bring the profession into disrepute. Therefore, going on "The Apprentice" is not a good professional choice.”

Maybe his early sacking has saved him from further career suicide, then?
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