Then I'm sorry, BB4 isn't for you then!

The programme is designed to stir up emotions of all sorts and the whole point of it is audience reaction! Good or Bad !

Sadly you seen to want to change the programme and us who wish to post things that only the sad minority don't like!

Stick to watching Eastenders and writing letters of complaint about every episode!

You types watch programmes that are not your taste and try and spoil it or change it just to suit you.
You can onto a forum such as this and try to say that some comment should not be allowed.

The simple answer is "If thy eye offens thee, pluck it out"

This is NOT a nanny state and do not need you to morilise to us!!!

I presonally think that you some up everything that I dislike in Cameron!!!

Say "Bum" and everyone screams like they have been mortally wounded !! - Sad Really Sad!

Kriz.
take it to e mail pls.
didnt you read Beth post?

I (hopefully, heehee, probably being too optimistic here) like to think (?) I judge the HMs on their motives rather than who they are. If their motives are good then thats good.

Like Matt says, the HMs are just hamsters so we can talk about issues and behaviour patterns and attitudes etc.

Its very kind of them to be hamsters and they have a chance of being rewarded afterwards. They know the score before they go in. I think the BB experience is also very enriching for them too. Having no distractions forces people to bond etc, and the fact they are being watched keeps any bullies in check and forces even bullies to examine their behaviour and come up with other ways of communicating with people. People who are nice can be themselves in the house. People who arent have to develop new ways of interaction. Cameron for instance, was so scared of his normal behaviour that he couldnt speak about anyone in the first few weeks. He was petrified. Sadly at the same time, people can be judged on superficial things so Cameron stays and the likes of Tania and Gos go by big margins. Over the years this will possibly change and change peoples attitudes in real life too.

I think the vast majority of us will have realised he was typing his post out at the time and didnt see Beths post.

I think you know this too.

I agree with you re opinion giving. And that was sort of my point about people being scary.
I don't mind if people disagree with opinions that I express. What I dislike is someone coming back and telling me what sort of peron I am, what my lifestyle is, whether I should even be watching BB or not etc etc. And saying these things in an offensive manner

bc

no I didnt know that.
anyway...edit is a good tool, is it not?

ok then, I apologise. I misjudged you with that post and it was rude of me.

If you want me to delete it then I will.

Naw...you were probably right to say that. I did notice there was 3 mins difference in the times, but I suppose it takes longer than 3 mins to write a post.

Anyway..we have taken it to private posting now.

Naughty Michael I put a wink there cos my smilies dont seem to be working.

These sort of debates can be good, cos it helps us develop our skills (i.e. detaching the argument from the person)

It sort of dips between wanting to trash people and then pulling back to debating and then wanting to resolve the situation heehee.

Its actually good for us I would think (long-term), if the outcome is that people want to get along but say what they are thinking.

Ive been involved in a few myself

So thank you Michael. It helps us to think about ourselves and why we react in ways etc. You have been a good `catalyst` )

but if you didnt realise Kriz was posting then dont let me off the hook cos I was in the wrong and used a few subjective words like `vast`. Naughty me LoL

actually I reread your post and see you were saying it takes longer than 3 mins so forget my last bit

Yes..I prefer to 'get along' with people. I love debate though and the cut and thrust of discussion though. It is hard to draw back sometimes, when you cant get your point across as well as you'd like to. I suppose that considering 60-70% of conversation relies on body language, that in a text forum such as this, when your body language is limited to certain icons such as smiles etc etc, that it is sometimes difficult to convey ones meaning accuratly.

Indeed that was the case Goodfella!
thanks!

[SIZE=4]Grooop hug!![/SIZE]

I agree 100%

we are all learning how to debate which is a good thing.

Youre welcome Kriz.

Time to get back in your cage tho (for another thread)

as long as theres no touching

There is NO hate between myself and Michael2 meerly disagrement!

No Stalking, No Death threats, No ill will towards Michael2's ill health! - Just Disagreement!

As I think we have both stated and re-stated our views - I will refrain from posting on this this thread.

Exactly !!! We can't have me wasting all my good put downs on one thread !!!!

I find that in life, I cant feel at ease until Ive had a deep argument with someone or an unhealthy hatred. Once thats been expressed then the feeling subsides and the full spectrum of emotion can then be expressed easier (playfulness for instance??).

Anger and dislike seem to be the ones that stop people from being their whole selves. On the other hand, sometimes you just dont like a persons philosophy of life and the arguing is never-ending and not healthy.

Its spotting the difference thats the hard part (and thats if they are willing to argue sensibly or whatever). I dont know what Im talking about.

In the house Steph took her Nush problem to the DR and to talking about her behind her back. Same with Lisa. Possibly talking to their faces wouldnt have helped. It didnt seem to with Nush. Who knows.

Witholding displeasure at others behaviour can ruin people or summat.

The one problem I have with some posters (and some commentators on BBLB and RISE) is their ability to read the HMs minds. For example it's now almost universally accepted that Steph deliberately manipulated Ray into voting for Nush by crying. That crap last night about how Scott was drawing Ray out about his row with Steph was pure conjecture and I can't believe the amount of people who seem to know all about the workings of Cameron's mind.

And it's funny how we always think the worst of them. Maybe it says more about us than the HMs?

just read your post Kriz....bit behind this morning as i was up late ....that bingo really takes it out of me these days...almost had to skip the cocoa and the last page of my womans weekly...thank god i didnt though cos there was a brilliant knitting pattern for a bed jacket in there that i really must try.
anyway where was i ....oh yes....my friend Kriz....a few comments i would like to make.
in my original post you made the point very strongly...in big bad capital letters...that i had no right to judge you or tell you what you should think etc etc.....but....i have noted in your subsequent posts that you think it is Ok for you to tell me and others what we are like!!!!....a few examples here....'YOUR TYPES'..' OVER 50's'.'...SPREADING YOUR BOOK AT BEDTIME MENTALITY LIKE A CANCER'....'PRUDE' etc etc.
isnt this a little teeny weeny bit hypocritical of you????.....
now i must dash......i have to deliver several food parcels to the poor of the parish before church today.....
oh and PS .....i agree with you about the word bum....i hate to say it.....much prefer shitter any day!!!!

'Witholding displeasure at others behaviour can ruin people or summat'
interesting comment, and a lot of validity.

I suppose we all have different tolerance levels. one person may see bad behaviour whislt another doesnt.

I remember reading the sunday mirror supplement this week, where Kevin O'Sullivan called Tania a 'scrubber'. I got so annoyed , not because he critisised her, but because I thought his critisism was unjustified and abusive.

saddo A.K.A. Cameron

To call Tania a 'scrubber' might seem a bit unfair. I'm sticking with 'wench' personally.

I must say that I am surprised that Tania has hardly attempted any ligging. Amazing control. My respect for her has marginally risen. Seeing her and Sissy disagree on something on RI:SE today whilst sitting closely together and not a mention of snakes was also impressive. Maybe I had Tania all wrong...

I think its because some people dont understand the hm's emotional situation. If the poster is detached from the hm's emotional state then it may well look like steph has eg, 'manipulated' Ray. wheh in fact, some empathy with her situation would see she didnt manipulate him, she just felt a strong negative emotion.
Maybe all her life the 'better looking' females have been the centre of attention and shes been on the side lines a bit. Nush maybe just represented all those times she(steph) has been left out. so I dont think there was any manipulation on a concious level at all, she was reacting emotionally to a situation as she saw it.

Spot on. There seems very little attempt on these boards to really consider why the HMs are behaving as they are which would make for much more interesting discussion in my opinion. I'm not really interested in peoples views on how "evil" a housemate is, it's just boring.