Now who is taking it seriously?
I have never asked you for personal information nor would I - why would I be interested????

I was commenting on the fact that I have personally heard discussed on E4 many instances which you have claimed have never been mentioned.

This is a public forum and as such we are allowed to challenge posts. I think your thread was rather hysterical and inaccurate.
My opinion to which I'm entitled.

Speculation-fest coming up!!! :)

Maybe the brothers cooked up this image of the naive virgin from faraway island of Orkney... Maybe Cameron/brother are on this mission to make A. Cameron successful in the media, earning lots of dosh, and B. to improve the brothers(sorry don't know the name...) publicity in the media, earning more dosh. It's good from both their points of view if you look at it like that.....

...But I don't believe that. It's possible. Sure, I really don't think the guy is what he makes out he is. He is a sham, yes. A backstabbing, fake, fame-obsessed so-and-so, call him what you want. I believe Cameron's interest in all of this (appearing on BB etc) has something to do, in a big way, with jealousy. That's a rational conclusion, his brother has been getting all this publicity for a while (how long?), appearing on radio/tv, Cameron wants a slice of the pie. I don't totally believe that either. You know, I don't think I'll ever find out. He's acting, whatever his angle. Unless he comes outright and says what his game is at the end, it's anyones guess. One comment I remember, think it was last week... 'next weeks when it all begins' -Cameron...

Next week is when his short-lived 'fame' begins? Next weeks when he can spend the ££?

Another point, Cameron always acts as if hes in awe of the 'bright lights', the whole 'bigness' aspect of the BB experience, the whole thing... like a child in a sweet shop... but the guy has been to America, he's seen it all [gimicky places/situations etc], surely he can see through it!!! I dont think I said that too well but..

Bugger it, it's late... tomorrow amigos ;).

What if Cam wins.... but then eschews the fame and media career offers, and goes back happily to his old life as successful international businessman etc....

in that scenario would any anti-Cammers change their opinion about him?

Well Im not Scottish but I agree with everything BOTH of you have said.
So Cameron has some explaining to do. My explanation from my view of him is somewhat different.
Maybe he is trying to have his show and win it.
BB4 has definitely been Cameron's show thus far,
but I could'nt find anything positive about his influence for the house, certainly nothing that radiates anything positive or enjoyable.

If his brother chooses to call Cameron's role 'naivety' then for me that makes it a synch that Cameron has gone into the house with not only a gameplan but a cynically executed business plan, cynical because of the way he has so coldly and deliberately set his tone of disapproval, thereby pulling in the weak minded such as Steph and Ray, who have recently ended up on a bench in the gardenwith him, openly behaving in a deplorable way about two Hm's who were doing nothing more than standing in the kitchen getting ready to comeout to join them.

Cameron during this was the least badly behaved , but I caught his look of satisfaction when Ray was going off repeatedly
with some gobbledygook about 'not putting up with it next week'.

I am not familiar with Scottish accents in the least, but long before this discussion took place I heard Cameron extending his vowels until he was practically going to start singing.
You can't mistake someone laying it on thick, and Cameron is -wether I know his accent or not.
However I have listened to it for long enough to know there are times when he does put it on extensively, and I would have found him endearingly funny and thought nothing wrong of him
for this merely.

It is the fact that I find him a nasty player that makes me add that example, he employs all the tricks he can, the innocent ones as well as the vindictive ones, such as singling out HM's he considers to be threats to his chances of winning the show and having whispering, eye rolling and smearing campaigns
going on through his disapproval stance.

He is not naive. Certainly not with the calibre of people in that house.
Jon can see through him and around him, but why he does'nt use it is beyond me - he has nothing to fear in terms of nomination any longer, and it would be worth it ven if he got turfed out of the house.

No I think he wants the fame for the business he wants to open up.

Not one bit. I don't care what he does for a living now or later, the man just gives me the creeps. I can't say what it is about him but something makes my skin crawl. One of the worst moments was when he won the task and left Nush out, he came out the DR and went straight over to her, down on knees hugging her. My daughter and her pal went "awwww isn't that sweet" whilst I though "awww he's such a slimeball".

Skye

what does everyone think of the psychologists
analyses of all four finalists in last nights channel4 highlights
in particular cameron's sleep pattern being the best and scott the worst

also did any laugh at cameron's laughing fit
over the edward woodward joke?

...and then nominated her on the monday !

Sorry but I think you're wrong on this one. The further north you go, the more sing-song the accent is, we refer to it as having a lilt in your voice. Cameron sounds like any other Orcadian, sometimes he sounds like he's deliberately toning it down, other times he sounds like he's back home.

Skye

He already has a stake in a couple of businesses.

So Cameron is an Orkney Fish Trader, by definition perhaps many people have classed this as rather quaint and that he spends his time catching fish. He has talked about his job in the house it's just that the media, and by the sound of it most of the BB viewers, who have not grasped what he actually does for a living.

Both Scott and Ray sat there quite in awe of Cameron during their conversation tonight and amazingly it's Day 59 and they have only just got round to asking what his work entails. After telling them about his normal day, he calls on his parents on the way to work and the logistics of his job Scott said 'so you run the Orkney side of the Company', no said Cameron 'the European side'. He isn't a country yokel and I assumed from the early weeks, especially during the bell-ringing task that Cameron was the intellectual equal of Jon but that he didn't necessarily express it in the same domineering way.

The biography of each hm is interesting in that we immediately form an opinion which may or may not be accurate. Scott for example had in his bio that he worked in a saddlery, so I was amazed that when he tacked up the horse he had the sadddle on the wrong way, so perhaps he was in marketing, but still he should know one end of a saddle from the other.

Exactly so. You can't use ignorance as an excuse in debate. The facts are all there and have always been there but people are lazy and readily assume something unless it's spoon fed.

At least Ray now knows that Tuna fish are not the size of haddock, he was amazed when Cameron told him that they could weigh between 500 / 600 kilos. You're never too old to learn.

It was nice watching them all last night - having a good laugh and interesting conversation.

they should have taken the books away a long time ago
or better still not have had any in the first place

Agree faequeen and Jammer.
I’m amazed at how lazy and ignorant most people are in that they can’t form their own opinions but look to Graham Norton and the tabloids for their information. Yeah GN’s portrayal of Cameron living in his wee Orkney shack for “500 years” is funny, but I don’t believe it! It was obvious from the start that Cameron is intelligent and successful, but I notice that he only tends to talk about it when asked and as many have pointed out, the other HM’s are genuinely enthralled by his stories, which are very funny. Real achievers don’t need to brag 24/7 (i.e. Lisa “ I’ve been a bit of a looker”- (err SP “h”) and Jon (I earn sh*t loads of money- but still people fall asleep when I talk”)

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........and when Cameron said that Tuna are the size of cows, someone in the background, I think it was Scott, said "how do they get them in those little tins?"

I've been there too, Tsukiji is promoted as a (admittedly minor) tourist attraction.
Smells exactly the way one would imagine, bit watery underfoot, requires an early start, very nice shellfish.

Yep got to back you up on this one. There is nothing fake about Cams accent that is how people from Orkney speak.

Speaking as a Scot who has lived in England you do need to slow done your speech and speak very clearly or people have no clue what you are saying. But when you are drunk you have no chance

i agree

i even type slowly so every one can understand me

Yeah, but I think your misunderstanding what I’m meaning. I'm not an expert at linguistics but hopefully you'll understand what I’m trying to say.

Your Scottish accent, which you should always have unless you immigrated when young, is to do with the pitch and tone when speaking certain words etc, we and say the English can say the exact same word but due to the use of a different pitch and tone we say it with a different accent, but it's still the same exact word.

The dialect is more to do with your local variant of your accent along with the local pronunciation of words and the vocabulary that is common in your area, so that a Geordie will say "Lass", a Glaswegian will say "Hen" and an Aberdonian will say "Quine", three different regional words for the same word with the same meaning, because that's the vocabulary used by the local dialect. Also to pronunciation, where in one area they may say House and Never we up here would say Hoose and Nivir.

Now how does this relate to the Cameron issue, well being an International businessman as well as having learned a few languages and lived abroad, he would have learned that trying to communicate with others in his local dialect would be very difficult, and therefore would have learned to communicate with them using a different vocabulary and pronunciation than that, he may have used back in Orkney as a kid. So that when he entered the BB house he would have been well used, to using the appropriate vocabulary to be understood. Instead he has entered the house, behaving like some wide-eyed naive, as I said before, "Bothy Nichts" character. As I have stated he would be well used to using his alternate vocabulary so there would be no need for him uttering phrases like och noo, hooose etc etc, as though he was some couthy islander. Unless he had a specific reason to do so, ie never travelled, poorly educated, so had only ever conversed in his local dialect, then there should be no way that he would enter that house and start speaking and behaving the way he has. He would have used the same vocabulary and pronunciation that he would use in his business and overseas travellers environment, talking from my own experiences it cuts in like an autopilot, and that’s from someone who converses in a mix of Doric/Broad Scots/Local Slang most of the time.

I would guess, as he has gotten older and the type of travelling and business he does he would be in situations where his use of his local dialect would be less and less, and for him to revert to it for the BB experience seems very strange to me, he has spent years building up a linguistics database, then he enters a house where all would be alien to his local dialect, yet he abandons that database for some reason, odd to say the least. I could understand him starting of well spoken and in clear English so as to be understood, then slowly revert back to his local dialect, but I can’t understand him starting off with his local dialect.

Hope that makes sense, I’m not sure I understood it.

Bill Gates being the perfect example.

Although I don't like Cameron and I definitely think he's a gameplayer, he was always going to be stereotyped. In my own experience, many people from England regard even Aberdeen and Dundee as the far flung northern tundra, reachable only by huskies, let alone the Orkneys. Cam was always going to be thought of as the wide-eyed island boy by the goggle-eyed London-obsessed media crew.

You just need take a look at this very forum, especially at the beginning. The way some folk were going on (and still do) you would have thought the Orkneys were (a) at the North Pole (b) had no electricity, running water or communications infrastructure (c) were populated by sheep and sheep-lovers and (d) everyone who lived on them was a doe-eyed innocent who had never seen a red London bus or an episode of EastEnders.

Come on.

Maybe he decided to try and make it work for him because he knew it was inevitable. And his accent sounds authentic to me, except when he is camping it up - as if Ray never turns on the blarney.

People are complex, I've got no problem with him being both a wide-eyed island boy and an international fisherman of mystery provided we are shown the evidence for both.

In my experience that would actually include not only people from England but folk from the central belt of Scotland as well.

Though clealry a joke, actaully pretty much the truth. The reasons are historical, much of the Edinburgh to Glasgow belt, and all of the lowlands, were generally aligned to the English. Hence the word Sassenach -not actually an Englishman at all but a Scot who didn't live in the Higlands and who supported the English.

Of course it still applicable as half of Edinburgh is non-Scots, and they don't venture past Ingliston.

BTW a Socotman (from Rutherglen/Dalmarnock border) who lost his accent years ago, and a broad accent to lose it was too

I believe you have described the perfect BB game player and as such a worthy winner of the competition.