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Panorama- muslim Asians pimping white girls
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niwdeness
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by captainkremmen:
“It is not just the media though, to be fair if you try to bring up any critiscism of Islam, even constructive, you are immediately classed as a racist.”

No you aren't.
Methuselah Now
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by MarioLanza:
“captainkremmen,

I am more inclined to believe that there are many muslim families who are more westernised and who are more tolerant to women's rights and gay issues etc.

However, there seems to be many areas where intolerance is widespread. I think this is due to culture rather than religion. When cultures (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) dominate they tend to be backward looking and extreme.

Most Muslims who have been exposed to western culture are more moderate.

Our campaign, in the long term, is to move away from multi-culturalism.”


Hi,


Subjective opinion.

Who's the extremist, who's the moderate, who are you to decide?

Who's moved from balance?

In a culture dominated by [white] liberals, would all within it be extreme? oh.

As for any campaign -I take it you believe in in-breeding, because a ton of history shows that depth of variety fosters strength.



Kind regards,


MN
Prince Monalulu
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by Turnbull2000:
“Wasn't this exposed by Channel 4 a few years back, but promptly hushed up?”

How do you hush something up exactly?
Who does the hushing and how?
Things simply fall off the media agenda, they move on to the next thing.

According to the program is was covered by BBC Midlands back in 1998.
Prince Monalulu
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by cosham:
“I thought the gist of the story was that the police,were reluctant to act on these gangs because of fear of being called racist. All sections of society have this type of scum in them Black,White,Asian. What needs to happen is the police to come down on these people whoever they are like the proverbial ton of bricks.”

Odd, what I got from the program is that the government hasn't made this a priority.
Until the government make it a priority and start throwing some money at it or telling the Police to then the Police won't make it a priority.

The man hours per arrest/conviction ratio for this sort of crime is low and the police have to produce arrests/convictions to prove they're not sitting around drinking tea.

As the ex-copper from the West Midlands put it, they need dedicated teams working on this, with a similar approach that they've taken with domestic violence, protecting and supporting the victim.

As with domestic violence it's hard to get convictions, because the victim is brainwashed/scared of the perpetrator.

Given what I've seen this is nothing new, but the accusation that the Police won't deal with the problem because of racism only seems to pop up when they mention Muslims.

Why did things go quiet after the Wolverhampton investigation in 1998, where were the accusations of Racism then, when the Wolverhampton gangs were mostly West Indian.
The investigation took the Copper around the country and he found different gangs of different ethnicity's.

Just organised criminals getting into a lower risk, higher profit business instead of drugs.

A couple of things came to my mind, the films Get Carter and Prime Cut and the fact that I knew a girl who was working as a Brass from a childrens home 20 years ago.
craigy132
29-03-2008
I was appalled by this programme. Especially the winker who said 'i blame the parents etc etc' and then went on to say something like 'if it was my sister I would knock the fcuk out of her'. Obviously parents have some responsibility to get their kids indoors at a reasonable hour but just cos kids are on the streets at night doesnt mean its ok for these lowlifes to abuse em. Never hear of cases of asian girls involved in incidents like this in the blackburn area , they seem to target white girls only
jammers1978
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by craigy132:
“I was appalled by this programme. Especially the winker who said 'i blame the parents etc etc' and then went on to say something like 'if it was my sister I would knock the fcuk out of her'. Obviously parents have some responsibility to get their kids indoors at a reasonable hour but just cos kids are on the streets at night doesnt mean its ok for these lowlifes to abuse em. Never hear of cases of asian girls involved in incidents like this in the blackburn area , they seem to target white girls only”

Guess the ephebophiles only like em white eh?
Enfant Terrible
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by Turnbull2000:
“Wasn't this exposed by Channel 4 a few years back, but promptly hushed up?”

Hmmm yes, I remember that one. Wasn't it more a case of Channel 4 having initial reservations about broadcasting the programme rather than being hushed up?

If we're talking about the same programme, it was definitely Muslim guys and I'm afraid in this instance their religion DID matter as it was an integral part of the story: the girls were raped by these guys because they were supposed to marry a fellow Muslim, so they turned to vulnerable white girls (knowing they'd never marry them) to get sex before marriage.
They plied the girls with drink and drugs, raped them, and then threw them out of the car when they had finished with them.
jammers1978
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by Enfant Terrible:
“Hmmm yes, I remember that one. Wasn't it more a case of Channel 4 having initial reservations about broadcasting the programme rather than being hushed up?

If we're talking about the same programme, it was definitely Muslim guys and I'm afraid in this instance their religion DID matter as it was an integral part of the story: the girls were raped by these guys because they were supposed to marry a fellow Muslim, so they turned to vulnerable white girls (knowing they'd never marry them) to get sex before marriage.
They plied the girls with drink and drugs, raped them, and then threw them out of the car when they had finished with them.”

Mate that is shocking but....


Is that what you think Muslims do with women? You are trying to associate a religion with these crimes.....

you don't seem to understand that their supposed religion has nothing to do with it, they are bad people.

Bad people come from all walks of life, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Toaist, Agnostic, Atheistic, Hindu whatever. They are just bad, their supposed religion is just quite simply not relevant in this case please drop this as it is beginning to sound like a thread from StormFront.
Enfant Terrible
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by jammers1978:
“Mate that is shocking but....


Is that what you think Muslims do with women? You are trying to associate a religion with these crimes.....

you don't seem to understand that their supposed religion has nothing to do with it, they are bad people.

Bad people come from all walks of life, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Toaist, Agnostic, Atheistic, Hindu whatever. They are just bad, their supposed religion is just quite simply not relevant in this case please drop this as it is beginning to sound like a thread from StormFront.”

Hey hey ho!

Stop right there - I wasn't giving my opinion on Muslims, I was merely giving a synopsis of that particular TV programme.

Of course I do not think all Muslims do that to women.
jammers1978
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by Enfant Terrible:
“Hey hey ho!

Stop right there - I wasn't giving my opinion on Muslims, I was merely giving a synopsis of that particular TV programme.

Of course I do not think all Muslims do that to women.”

Sweet!

As long as that is clear...you're golden But you did say their relisgion DID matter remember? It has to be picked up on dude.

But is seemed like it sorry mate, I think we need to take a bit of care these days some people might take offence but it does the world good to keep the estranged people on our side

I'm not Muslim btw at all....in fact I'm completely anti-religion.
Enfant Terrible
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by jammers1978:
“Sweet!

As long as that is clear...you're golden But you did say their relisgion DID matter remember? It has to be picked up on dude.

But is seemed like it sorry mate, I think we need to take a bit of care these days some people might take offence but it does the world good to keep the estranged people on our side

I'm not Muslim btw at all....in fact I'm completely anti-religion.”

Lol I'm all golden me

Well again, their religion was part of the story because it provided the background as to WHY they were raping white girls.
If the documentary makers had omitted that, i.e. their motive, the story would not have made much sense.

I hope that makes sense
jammers1978
29-03-2008
Originally Posted by Enfant Terrible:
“Lol I'm all golden me

Well again, their religion was part of the story because it provided the background as to WHY they were raping white girls.
If the documentary makers had omitted that, i.e. their motive, the story would not have made much sense.

I hope that makes sense ”

Gold is good

Yes, it does make sense but it is worth mentioning that that is a perversion of their faith right?

That's what i mean
LinkinFighter
29-03-2008
Race always has to be brought in :sleep:
karijn
30-03-2008
Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu:
“How do you hush something up exactly?
Who does the hushing and how?
Things simply fall off the media agenda, they move on to the next thing.

According to the program is was covered by BBC Midlands back in 1998.”


It's hushed up by imposing blanket media coverage, as was the case in the Lebanese gang rapes of "white" girls in Sydney.

Legal authorites/police do the hushing, as evidenced in the 2004 racially motivated killing by a gang of a "white" 15 year old schoolboy, Kris Donald, which barely got a mention in regional, let alone national press, at the time of the killing. The killing may have been prevented but for :

Originally Posted by link above:
“An article in The Scotsman newspaper alleged a lack of response by authorities to concerns of rising racial tensions and that Strathclyde Police had felt pressured to abandon Operation Gadher, an investigation into Asian gangs in the area, for fear of offending ethnic minorities.[9] On 8 November 2006 Bashir Maan, a prominent Pakistani Glaswegian, also claimed on BBC television that police were well aware of the activities of Pakistani gangs in Glasgow but were reluctant to take action for fear of being accused of racism. In a January 2005 interview with a Scottish Muslim newspaper, he had previously claimed that “fear and intimidation” had allowed problems with Asian gangs in some parts of the city to go unchecked. The article also quoted a former senior Strathclyde police officer who criticised “a culture of political correctness” which had allowed gang crime to “grow unfettered”.”

karijn
30-03-2008
Originally Posted by karijn:
“It's hushed up by imposing blanket media coverage, as was the case in the Lebanese gang rapes of "white" girls in Sydney.

Legal authorites/police do the hushing, as evidenced in the 2004 racially motivated killing by a gang of a "white" 15 year old schoolboy, Kris Donald, which barely got a mention in regional, let alone national press, at the time of the killing. The killing may have been prevented but for :”


Sorry, but the first link in my original post didn't work, this is the right one : Sydney 2000
ayrshireman
30-03-2008
Quote:
“This type of thing happens for many reasons other than the colour of someone's skin and dealing with it as an issue related to race is completely missing the point of why it happens in the first place - especially considering the prevelance of the same crime in the "white community". which illustrates that it is not a race issue.

Throwing around accusations that are intended simply to mask racism only serve to inflame people while what caused the problem in the first place continues to run unchecked”


Given that the only public pronouncement on this issue has come from a senior Muslim community leader, who has criticised police for being too racially conscious in its investigations of this issue, I hardly think the 'white community' can be the ones criticised for making this issue a racial one...
craigy132
14-04-2008
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...on_charges.php


Doesnt look like Panorama highlighting the problem has deterred the perverted b"strds
GhyllenStillwheel
14-04-2008
in blackburn ..what a surprise to locals..not..bail and curfew for suspected ones !!!!!!..whilst across pennines in dewsbury , alledged in other case are remanded ..wonder why bail in this case ..mmmmmnnn.....maybe change name and religion get bail and kidd gluves..
2+2=5
14-04-2008
Originally Posted by captainkremmen:
“It is not just the media though, to be fair if you try to bring up any critiscism of Islam, even constructive, you are immediately classed as a racist.”

Then let's have some, by heck!

I've had my brimful of the "other type" of criticism - considering that tends to make up 99% of what I read, see and hear.

If only 1/4 of the posters on here made constructive criticisms maybe we'd get somewhere.


Quote:
“I'm sorry to offend, but Islam is an intolerant, homophobic and very sexist religion.”

Ooops!

Oh well.

I guess it was expecting too much to have some "constructive criticism" from you from the same post where you bemoaned the apparent blanket refusal to have debate about Islam!

I hope I can assure you there are plenty of Muslims who'd be happy to debate such topics in a calm, collected and mature manner.

And why say you're "sorry to offend" when I don't get the feeling you really mean it? My sincere apologies (and I do mean that) but I think you're a bit disingenuous in saying that - however, I'm sure you'd like to set me straight on that matter.

As for the topic itself, any member of such gangs, no matter what religion or background is a heinous criminal worthy of being put away for a long time.
ethel_wombat
14-04-2008
Why don't we get it straight - these folk are criminals, whether they are black, white, yellow, brown or sky blue pink with yellow polka dots.

It's not their religion, it's not their ethnicity, it isn't even their nationality - it's the fact that these are very bad people who make a living from the suffering of others.
rabyburns
14-04-2008
Originally Posted by combreakdown:
“Disturbing proof that Muslim Asian gangs are grooming and then pimping underage white girls, getting them hooked on drugs, raping them and threatening violence against their familes should they try to escape the cycle.

The police were accused of not doing enough to prevent this for fear of stirring up racial hatred.

Nick Griffin was put on trial for speaking of this, it seems to me that the left wing BBC are drawing similar conclusions to the BNP”

horrible and mindless, racialy provoked post.
ethel_wombat
14-04-2008
Originally Posted by combreakdown:
“Disturbing proof that Muslim Asian gangs are grooming and then pimping underage white girls, getting them hooked on drugs, raping them and threatening violence against their familes should they try to escape the cycle.”

Perhaps OP is disgusted that it's smelly foreigners doing this to white kids rather than some white gang?
pxd867
14-04-2008
Originally Posted by Mrs Pankhurst:
“It's not fair to bring race into this issue - it's despicable regardless of colour or religion, and the fact that colour and religion have been highlighted show how pathetic our media is, they are blatantly looking to cause trouble rather than focusing on the most important issue - the crime.”


Yet if it was the other way round... I'm sure that they would mention that the perpetrators were white.... and bring hints of racism into it. You can't have it both ways.
wappaho
15-04-2008
multiculturalism is just generally bad news for gays and women - like turning the Western clock back at least 500 years

international socialists sold out the women's and gays' movements in the 1980s

IMO
ethel_wombat
15-04-2008
Originally Posted by wappaho:
“multiculturalism is just generally bad news for gays and women - like turning the Western clock back at least 500 years”

Surely you mean 50 years
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