well if you put into the mix parliamentary democracy and secularism that paved the way for the socio-sexual revolution i think you'd have to go back a bit further

It's only 50 years ago since homosexuality was a crime and women were still expected to be homemakers & subservient to their husbands

So it is better for white gangs to be pimping children?

Or is it just more acceptable?

This thread seems to be veering away from the original issue and just turning into the usual 'accuse each other of being racist' type of debate which is all too common on DS. Going back to the original issue, I think the fact that it seems to be predominately asian, muslim gangs abusing white non asian,muslim girls would suggest that in these scumbags warped little minds they see non muslims as fair game. I know they are a tiny minority of the muslim population and 99.99 % of muslims agree that they are sad scumbags BUT the abusers would seem to be using religion as an excuse for what they do - i.e the girls arent muslim therefore its OK. Its a sad,sad state of affairs

That's the point - it isn't predominately asian, muslim gangs abusing white non asian,muslim girls that are doing it.

It varies according to area - so in some areas you get white British gangs doing it, in others it's black Jamaican gangs, etc etc

it IS predominantly asian gangs. You rarely get white british gangs doing it at all, by whites it means - turks, albanians, eastern europeans etc.

Please listen and try to understand. This thread is about a panorama programme yes? That programme was about blackburn yes?Everyone on that programme agreed that in the blackburn area the problem was predominately asian,muslim gangs abusing non asian muslim girls, yes?. Now please try and stick to the actual discussion and stop trying to make out that everyone is persecuting muslims

And society was in a far better state than it is now.

Craigy,

I've noticed you dictating what people should and shouldn't be talking about on a couple of threads. Are you the forum moderator? It's inevitable that as discussions progress, threads are going to move away from the initial title.

they prey on whites because if they preyed on their own ..world war 3 would break out ..reading the lancs evening teleg , its a shock to see whats going on ..the asians call the locals ' kuffars 'and i get feeling they want the indigenous to leave as they dont like them .

Sid,
not dictating just having a point of view

Lots of luv,
craigy

And trying to stifle other people's in the process.

Sid,
very sorry if thats how it came across
craigy

It didn't come across like that to me.

I think it's a fair point to say that the thread was discussing a particular tv program and it would be a good idea to discuss the issues raised in that program.

The only stiffling I've seen is the refusal to discuss the issue as raised in the tv program in preference to making general statements about "well everybody does it".

If gangs of one race, whichever it is, are targeting people of a different race, that needs to be investigated. And it's irrelevent as to what happens in other areas if the police have seen that occuring locally in isolation.

Asians pimping asians, whites pimping whites. Asians pimping whites, whites pimping asians. Race irrelevant. They're all scum.
Alan

Hear hear!

Sid:

Sorry, I have to back Craigy(as an earlier poster). He was/is just trying to keep the thread relevant to the original point, which referred to a specific BBC programme dealing with a specific crime being carried about by a particular ethnic group.

I was also referring to another post made by the same individual on another thread.

Hi there,

Once again I wanted to emphasise that I'd noticed Craigy doing something similar elsewhere. I don't want to make a big issue out of it, but I think we should leave the policing of threads to be undertaken by the Mods not fellow posters.

Obviously pointless having the Copper from the 1998 investigation and on the program then.
Chap must be very disappointed he even mentioned the very high charged/convicted ratio.

There's no wider problem it only happens in Blackburn or with Muslims, there that's that sorted then.

Many asian cultures retain attitudes that were prevalent in this country 50 or more years ago.
Marrying within your class, the subservience of women, attitudes to gays etc.
Overlay this with other asian norms such as introduced marriages and even arranged marriages. There is nothing inherently wrong with this but when it tips over into forced marriage it is inherently wrong.
There is also the minority concept of 'honour', an almost medieval conceit to western eyes and very frightening that it has transported itself to the uk. A recent case reported responsibly in The Times had a mother threatening that her daughter would be raped by her stepfather if she didn't marry their chosen partner for her.
It is irrefutable that the culture of the subcontinent is phallocentric and chauvinist.
This is why it is disturbing that the report was of asian gangs targetting underage white girls.
It is very much a cultural thing, a recent documentary 'I won't marry White' showing that young asian men regard british girls as 'white meat' but expected to marry virginal and submissive asian brides.
As with the earlier post this was caused by extreme socialists in the last quarter of the last century campaigning that we should not discriminate against the cultural norms of other societies. This became embedded in socialist doctrine to the extent that Blair refused legislation on arranged marriages, even legislation that would have required proof the marriages were consensual without actually banning them.
Fortunately wiser voices prevailed against extremists who regarded Fgm as a cultural norm in some societies.
It is very easy to play the racist card against posts and I fully expect my share of knee jerk reactions.
My description of asian culture may be seen as stereotypical but stereotypes are sometimes accurate.
As a child of the sixties I am astonished by the chauvinism and even misogyny of some youth cultures - some hip-hop/rap lyrics, some dancehall lyrics are appalling and in no way ironic.

I am very disturbed that the products of a sexist chauvinistic culture are preying on underage girls and that it is being substantively ignored by the police due to a perverse political correctness.
By ignoring the issues of cultural differences on anything more than a superficial level this government are creating, not solving, an enormous problem.

Yes unfortunately this side of Islam does exist, but there are also hundreds of thousands of Moderate Muslims out there who do not behave in this manner. I don;t think we should resort to stereotyping based on what we hear/read in the media.

I don't see where the poster you answered mentioned Islam.

I think there was a deliberate attempt, in a thoughtful well reasoned post, to make sure that the problems, as they saw them, were more cultural than religious.

Indeed there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims who do not behave in this manner and they come from moderate Muslim countries where that behaviour is not allowed either.

However there is a huge gap between the west's acceptance and embrace of women's' emancipation and and non western countries.

What we need to be firm on as a society is upholding women's rights, it is the only way forward. Anything else is a step back.
I do not need the media to inform me that those rights are being eroded.
At the moment we are too scared of even beginning to ensure that they are extended and available to all women living in the UK and the excuse is multiculturalism.

There has been very little attempt to promote sexual liberation as a positive cultural achievement. Instead we have allowed the problems associated with irresponsible behaviour to dominate the issue.

There is not the same notice given to the problems associated with repressive sexual behaviour in current day society yet we know all about the problems of Victorian society that have been put down to their repressive attitudes.

Why is it when you mention Victorian society and sex you get people mentioning child prostitution and the hypocrisy of society that publicly condemned and privately carried on regardless?
Is there not a parallel between the current day attitudes to sex in some cultures and Victorian society, so why should there not be a parallel between behaviour and attitude?

It could be racial in as much as the value of females within a society, and their worth as human beings could be influenced by "cultural" considerations. I think it is fair to say that in Islamic cultures, mainly from the Middle East, women are often regarded as second class. How much less of value, therefor, would a white female, already stereotyped as "easy" and of low moral integrity be in the minds of people already hostile to the country that gives them sanctuary.

As regards the police not investigating properly, and your dismissive comment that "that't not exactly new", surely, the important point is why they are not investigating properly, if it is because they are incompetent, or have insufficient resources, that's one thing, but if it's because of Political Correctness or covert political pressure to "turn a blind eye", then that's something else, and needs to be stamped on without hesitation.

Actually the most critical attack on outmoded Islamic thought was from the young female Islamic journalist(whose name I cannot currently remember) who did a programme last year for BBC2 (or was it CH4?) and also a newspaper article which the DM printed, in which she toured Pakistan and showed that it is a far more progressive country than one thinks (even to the point of having a transvestite as one of the country's top TV hosts).

And that much of the values in British Muslim communities are in fact those of the 1940's and 50's,when the first Asian immigrants arrived, hence the strict attitude towards gays, women, marriage etc...