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Old 04-04-2008, 07:14
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EVIL CLARES DEEDS. HOLLYOAKS!

Clare's history. Read this and then you decide if she is the best bitch in soap history. It's long but it will give you an insight to Clare in Hollyoaks. Be prepared for evil things people.

(some of this is taken from wiki)

When she first came into it she kissed both Ob and Max, then decided to choose Max. Ob wasn't impressed.

When Max went on holiday with his little brother tom, Clare seduced Weathy man Sean and started an afair because she wanted hi money

Mel caught Clare and sean togther, but clare told everyone that she was drunk and used that fact that she was an alcoholic agasint her so people wouldnt believe mels statements. She convinced Max clare was lying and Ob (mels bf at the time) forced tension between himself and max because of it.

She schemed to get rid of OB and acted the perfect, loyal girlfriend to an unsuspecting Max, who eventually proposed to her. After Tom overheard a conversation between Sean and Clare about the night they slept together, she tried to turn Max against Tom by drawing on the walls and blaming Tom and pouring water in his bed and claiming that he wet it so that if Tom told Max about Clare and Sean Max wouldn't believe him. (how devious is that!!!???)

Clare repeatedly persuaded Max to provide money for alterations to the Loft, but she kept the bulk of the money for herself.

Clare convinced Max, she was on love with him, he beleived her that much he wanted to marry her.
Clare was shocked though when Max asked OB to be best man and decided to do something about it.

On Max's stag night OB discovered that Clare was planning on leaving Max with all his money and when he threatened to tell Max Clare quickly planted some ecstasy drugs in OB's pocket and when OB went to the SU bar Clare lied to the bouncer that he was drug dealing and got him arrested.

After spending the night in a police cell OB was released and just as Max and Clare was about to get married he interrupted it and told everyone to stop the wedding. OB told Max about Clare trying to flee with his money and when he showed Max Clare's plane ticket Max began to wonder if Clare really loved him. But Clare was ready for this incident and pulled two plane tickets from her wedding dress for a honeymoon and said the travel agents had got her flights mixed up with someone else's but then gave her the right plane tickets so shehad max convinced ob was lying.

Max then punched OB and OB failed in proving Clare to be a liar. Max and Clare got married and OB and Max were not friends any more because of what had happened.

When Max told Clare that he wanted a baby, she manipulated him. Knowing that his stepsister Mandy had been raped by her father, Clare claimed that she too had been abused by her father leaving her infertile. She told Max that she needed to see a doctor in London, and Max insisted that he should come with Clare but couldn't when Clare drugged Tom's food making him sick. Clare was really inquiring about emigrating to New Zealand. On her return she requested £50,000 from Max for an operation, with the intention of fleeing to start a new life. Clare was angry when Max said no because they didn't have the money.

Clare then had an affair with Warren whilst she was still married to Max Cunningham. One of their encounters was taped by Mel Burton, which she showed to friend OB.

OB and Mel were still determined to prove to Max that Clare was unfaithful to him and obtained CCTV footage of Clare sleeping with Warren Fox. OB invited Clare to meet him, Mel and Mel's twin Sophie in the Dog where they told her that they now had evidence to show Max. As she left the pub Clare saw Sam Owen entering with a lighter and petrol, but did not raise the alarm. She returned to the flat and was packing to leave before Max discovered the truth when he came home and told her that Sam had set fire to the Dog. Mel and Sophie both died and OB was hospitalised. Clare visited him in hospital and taunted him about Mel's death and threatened to smother him with a pillow. She found the DVD of her and Warren's encounter among OB's belongings and broke it.

When Max caught Warren and Clare snorting cocaine while working at the Loft, he was disgusted, but Clare convinced him that it was because of her father abusing her. Max ended up taking cocaine to impress her. This resulted in a heart attack for which he needed to take medication. Clare at first seemed genuinely upset about Max's near death until she found out that he had taken out a life insurance policy of £500,000 for her and Tom, after this Clare decided she was going to kill Max, steal the £500,000 and leave Tom with nothing. After Max was released from hospital Clare kept him upstairs in the bedroom and drove visitors away, saying he needed rest.

Unbeknown to Max, Clare was tampering with his medication and trying to kill him. When Max tried to leave the flat, looking for a Christmas present for Tom, OB found him and was shocked at his deathly appearance. After arguing with OB, and realising she wont get away with killing Max with OB nosing around, Clare decided to take Max and Tom for a Christmas that Max would "never forget". They went to a deserted house near a lake in the most secluded and quiet part of Cumbria where Max felt more and more ill and finally became suspicious of Clare when Clare said there was no signal in her phone to call a doctor and broke the sim card, she them told Max she was going to fecth a doctor, but instead she took tom outside to play, but whilst Clare was showing Tom around the woods near the cottage Max decided to examine his medication he discovered that the pills had been tampered with by Clare as all the capsules were empty.

Max planned to escape with Tom but Clare discovered one of the capsules on the floor and realised that Max knew that she had tampered with his medicine. She confronted Max and accused him of playing with his medication himself, she eveb out his old medication that wasnt tampered back, to proove it to him. Max became more and more confused and disorientated and finally collapsed. Clare however had no idea that OB had discovered Clare's evil plot to kill Max and was in his car driving to the secluded cottage Clare and Max were staying in and trying to save Max. Clare then told Tom that they needed to get a doctor for Max.

When Max came around Clare came running in screaming that Tom had fallen in the lake. Max dived in the lake in an attempt to save Tom but could only find his jacket. Max then saw Tom locked in the car and realised Clare had locked Tom in the car whilst Clare happily watched Max die to get the £500,000. Clare laughed at Max as he struggled in the water. Clare then smirked at Max saying sarcastically "my mistake". As Max drowned OB arrived, punched Clare and rescued Max. She was then taken to the police station and was questioned but, due to a lack of substantial evidence, and putting on the most incrediable act of poor wife, she was released without charge.


After a month's absence from Hollyoaks, Clare returned to the village in January 2007. She marked her return by picking Tom up at his school without letting anyone know. Max and OB were frantic with worry, and when Max returned to his flat, he found Clare with a terrified Tom. Clare then made it clear that she planned to ruin Max's life. When Max told Clare that his dad would have seen right through Clare, Clare said "it's a good job he snuffed it then". Max then tried to strangle Clare before fleeing the flat with Tom. When Max returned, he found that Clare had changed the locks and planned on selling both the flat and The Loft, and keep the proceeds.
Max pleaded with her through the door that he needed his heart medication, and she agreed to give it to him on the condition that he entered alone. Keeping the door on the security chain Clare opened the door; OB arrived and tried to ram the door open. Clare was hit in the head and fell back onto the floor. Bloodied and enraged, she vowed to make Max pay. She proceeded to hit herself in the face repeatedly, then called the police to report a domestic assault, meanwhile Max was still shouting to be let inside the flat.


Max, OB and Tony then arrived to physically throw her out of the flat, and as they were tossing her out onto the street in her bathrobe, to Clare's delight, the police arrived she'd already called them. Max was arrested for assault, and spent the night in the cell.
Clare then used this agasint Max, saying that she wasnt going to drop the charges unless he handed over everything he owned, including the flat and the lof and that she would tell the police about him hitting tom and he would go into care..
Max tried to fight Clare, but her taunts got to max and other people started to look down on Max - he'd seen enough and, despite the objections of Tony and OB, he handed the deeds to The Loft over to his wife.


While Clare has been absent, Warren had taken control of the Loft while Max continued to receive the profits. Now that Clare owned the Loft she did not want Warren interfering and they became bitter rivals as they fought over the running of the business. Warren had befriended teenager Justin Burton and given him a job at the Loft and a place to stay. Clare managed to seduce Justin in an attempt to get him on side despite Clare having been indirectly involved in Justin's sisters' deaths. However after they had slept together Justin told Clare that he knew she was just using him and that he was still loyal to Warren. Clare continued to stir trouble when she found out that warren wouldnt let her sell the loft, by informing Warren that Justin was having a relationship with Warren's sister Katy. Warren attacked Justin and was arrested. Just as he was about to be released, Clare had used the situation round to get information out of Justin, telling him that he can trust her if he gave her the truth about Warren murdering Sean Kennedy. Justin came clean and Clare told justin not to worry, but she went behind his back and Clare had Warren re-arrested for Sean's murder.

Not long after this, Clare was pushed off a balcony at The Loft and left for dead, an action that put her in a coma and we thought she had died.
.A number of events occurred in the week leading up to this incident.
First Clare persuaded her friend Louise Summers to have an abortion as she didn't know whether her boyfriend Calvin Valentine or Warren was the father. Clare promised she would not tell anyone but then purposely told Calvin all about Louise sleeping with Warren and the abortion leaving Calvin shocked and angry.
When Louise returned home from a holiday Calvin threw her out in the street. The following day Louise punched Clare and the girls had a huge cat fight after Clare told Louise that she had slept with her husband Sean.
Meanwhile Warren was arrested for killing Sean because Clare set him up; when Warren was released due to insufficient evidence, he publicly warned Clare to watch her back.

Clare also pursued Max so that he should pay compensation for a disco ball falling on Mercedes Owen. Clare went to Max for money, originally asking for £10,000, later dropping this to £5,000. Clare's request was denied both times by Max. As revenge, Clare phoned Social Services, and gave them her false suspicions about Tom getting physically abused by Max and O.B. Clare then talked to Tom, telling him that Tom himself was the reason for baby Grace's death, and his parents' deaths. Tom didn't believe her at first, but then Clare said that everybody dies because of Tom's germs, and that if he stayed with Max, Max would die too. Tom got frightened, and refused to go near Max, getting increasingly scared of him, much to Clare's delight. When Social Services paid Max a visit they found Tom trying to run out of the front door, crying and screaming "get me out of here". Social Services then took Tom away and Max ran into the Loft and publicly threatened to kill Clare. Warren then intervened and persuaded Max to leave the Loft, and was heard by numerous bystanders as saying "don't worry about Clare, leave her to me" to Max as he left. Warren then told Justin that he was going to kill Clare.

On the night she was pushed, OB confronted Clare in the Loft toilets and tried to persuade her to tell Social Services that she had lied about Tom. Clare said that she knew that the real reason OB hated her was because of Mel. She referred to Mel and Sophie as "the ugly sisters" and said that their deaths were "two for the price of one". She continued to taunt OB about Mel, saying "liar liar, the lush is on fire". OB then grabbed Clare and pinned her up against the wall saying "this is for Tom and Max, and Mel and Sophie, and anyone else who's lives you've ruined!" He let her go when they were interrupted.

Clare was then in the loft on her own, and heard noise outside from the village, she went to have a look off the balcony where she was pushed by a mystery attacker, plunged over the railings and was left for dead.

When Clare finally awoke from her coma, she accused Warren of pushing her and claimed she had seen him do so. Because she wanted Warren out of the way, even though she couldn't remember and she didnt see.
The police aressted Warren and he was sent down.

When Clare returned home, Max tricked the nurse supervising her into letting him in. He threatened to poison Clare's food with his heart medication and also manipulated her condition in order to blackmail her into telling Social Services the truth about Tom. Already fearing for her life after having been pushed from the balcony, and also knowing that Max had already been eliminated from the list of suspects, Clare realized that she had no choice but to give into Max's demands. Clare contacted Social Services and admitted that she had lied about Max and OB abusing Tom, and Tom was released back into Max's guardianship.

Clare was prepared to leave Hollyoaks, a broken mess.... but before leaving, she convinced louise warren had she saw Warren push her.
Just as she was about to leave, Max Taunted her, and told her that he could see through her lies and she doesnt fool him now. Clare told him to hold on to precious tom "Imagine if i told the police you pushed me, Where would tom be then". Leaving Max to back off.

At the beginning of the Warren's trial, Clare received visits from people trying to persuade her to change her statement. First, Katy turned up with Justin, but Clare just gave her a few home truths about Warren and his way of life, and laughed off any pleas Katy made. Later that day, Justin returned and asked Clare to leave Katy out of her feud with Warren, but Clare retaliated by playing on Justin's fear of Warren. The next day, Katy told Clare that Justin had agreed to be a character witness for Warren's defence.

Once again Clare played on Justin's fears and told him that if Warren got out it wouldn't be long before they would be pulling Justin's body from a river. When Justin said that if he didn't do it he risked losing Katy, Clare came up with a plan for Justin to keep Katy while still sending Warren down. Later Justin received a phone call and made out to Katy that it was serious; unknown to Katy it was Clare on the other end of the phone telling Justin what to say. Justin then told Katy that his mum had been in an accident and he had to go to her so he couldn't be a witness. On his way to the bus stop he told Katy that everything was going to be okay, before looking up to see Clare standing on the balcony waving at him and laughing.

At the trial, Clare showed up in crutches, faking her injuries to get more attention. The evidence was given and clare gave an emmy award winning performance, just when it looked like Warren was going down, Warrens alibi Mercedes came to the stand and gave evidence that she was with him the night Clare was pushed and so with that Warren got away with it and was released.

After Warren was released he bumped into Clare outside Drive'n'Buy and made remarks about his release. Clare walked off towards the Loft and Warren followed saying he had to pick some things up.

Clare told him it wasn't convenient but Warren went into the club. While there he told Clare that she never saw who pushed her but she stuck to her guns and said that she saw him. He reminded her that the jury didn't agree and took money out of the till. Before leaving he told Clare that she should watch her back because if someone hated her enough to kill her, they could try again. He told her to keep looking over her shoulder, leaving a shaken Clare behind.

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Old 04-04-2008, 07:15
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Warren kept pressurising Clare to sell the Loft to him and Louise. Clare tried to force a wedge between Louise and Warren, saying Warren was only using her. Later in the Loft, Clare heard a noise and went to the balcony to investigate when Warren crept up behind her and grabbed her, telling her to stay away from Louise and demanding she sell to him. This left Clare visibly shaken and scared.

Clare had finally had enough of Warren's bullying. When her and Max's divorce papers came through, she went to see him, offering to sell the Loft to him. Max refused claiming it was rightfully his. Later, the two had a frank talk. Max called her on her lies and her deceit and Clare admitted that her father hadn't really abused her and asked Max to leave with her. After signing the divorce papers, he agreed to escort Clare to the Loft when she signed it over to Warren. Clare was angry when Warren's offer was half of what the Loft was worth, but Max convinced her to sign. When she had, Max joined Warren in gloating at her fall and told her that he would never forgive her for what she did to him, Tom and OB.

Clare was obviously annoyed by this, but couldnt do anything about it, as she had signed. Clare left and the next day Clare then went to finalise handing the Loft over to Warren and discovered Warren, Louise, Max, OB, Katy and Justin there. Clare insulted all of them calling OB a leech and Max spineless, comparing Louise to Barbie and saying that she would eventually realise that everything that came out of Warren's mouth was lies. When Justin asked if it was his turn, Clare said that he had just let himself down by becoming a mini-Warren. When Justin said it was better than being a mini-Clare, she said that he had turned out to be just as useless as his sisters and it must run in the family.

Justin went to follow her but Max held him back. As Clare walked to her taxi, she saw Calvin who was leaving his house, then Max and OB, then Louise who raised a glass of champagne to her, then Warren and Katy. As she was about to get in the cab Justin stopped her and revealed his anger that she had survived the fall while both his sisters were dead. When Justin used some of the words that Clare had used about the twins on the night she was pushed, Clare realised that Justin was also at the Loft that night.

A flashback showed Justin finding Warren's keys in the flat, then hiding in the toilets while Clare taunted OB about Mel and Sophie, finishing with "liar liar, the lush is on fire". Another flashback showed Justin pushing Clare over the balcony as he told her "it was me", adding that he should have made sure she was dead. Initially shocked by Justin's confession, Clare got into her cab and began plotting her revenge, looking back at Justin.


After Clare had supposedly left, Warren decided to have a party and Katy went back to the flat to change her clothes, to find somebody waiting for her. After Katy didn't return to the party, Warren and Justin returned to the flat to find it trashed. Immediately realising it must have been Clare, Warren and Justin joined forces with Max and set out to find her.

Max took them both to Clare's flat where a fake dummy that looked like Katy was tied up and gagged to a chair. As soon as Warren broke down the door fake blood fell on the fake dummy of Katy and the words "what's dumped at the docks?" were written on the flat wall. Warren, Max and Justin then headed out to the docklands where they saw a dummy hand saying "what would you give?" This pushed Warren over the edge and Max began piecing together the clues. After Max solved Clare's riddles, Warren got a call from Katy on his mobile. Clare then took the phone and told Warren that it was Justin that pushed her, and that he must kill Justin to see Katy alive again.

Viewers then discovered that Clare was holding Katy hostage in a cargo carrier. Katy was tied up and gagged and Clare was tormenting her by force drinking her and repeatedly telling her that Justin pushed her.

Clare then untied Katy's legs and bundled Katy in her car and set off to meet Max, Warren and Justin at the docks. Clare turned up in her bright red sports-car, with Katy in tow. Warren and Max brought out a body bag claiming that Justin was dead. Warren kicked the 'body' a few times to prove it, but Clare said she wanted Max to do it, knowing how kind-hearted her husband was. When Max couldn't bring himself to hurt Justin, Justin got up and they all started running towards Clare who managed to drive away, running Justin's hip over in the process.

Warren and Max pursued Clare in Max's car and a dramatic and dangerous high speed car-chase ensued, eventually culminating in Clare losing control of her car and plummeting herself and Katy 55 feet into a quarry.

Warren immediately jumped in after them, screaming for Katy. Justin followed and they both managed to get Katy out of the water. For his part, Max also jumped in and tried to help Clare, but she had already toppled below out of his reach, and Max could not save her. Max then watched her sink further and further into the water, until she eventually disappeared.

Clare was presumed dead and this was playing on Max's conscience for days, until he finally confided in Steph Dean who assured him that Clare's death was not his fault and that she was evil and dangerous anyway.

Max then tried to persuade Katy to forgive Justin for pushing Clare, saying "Clare wasn't like a normal person. She thrived on hurting people."



Two days after her presumed death, it was revealed that Clare survived. She was seen in the airport first class lounge waiting for a plane whilst talking seductively with a wealthy looking man, named Miles. Her destination was not revealed. When her new acquaintance asked if she flew first class, Clare replied "always" and introduced herself as "Clare Devine". She then looked directly into the camera and smiled. She has not been seen since and as far as the other characters are concerned she is dead although the viewers know otherwise.



HOW GREAT WAS CLARE!???


she had great storylines, she was a great bitch, and i dont think there's anyone in soap History that has had such drama and good charactor detail in the time she had.

She brought everything she possibly could to Hollyoaks.

She was a bitch and a half for sure, and there's no one.... not even Janine Butcher, could compare to the things she done.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:17
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You trying to reassure yourself or something?
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:20
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She was a bitch and a half for sure, and there's no one.... not even Janine Butcher, could compare to the things she done.
Sorry you went to all the trouble of writing that, but Charlie Brooks and the character of Janine are in a different league to Claire Divine (Gemma Bissix). For one and no offence to Gemma, Charlie is just so much better at acting, I don't think you watched EE when Janine was in it, hence you are clutching at straws.
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No, i'm explaining my point to why i think, what i think.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:20
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You trying to reassure yourself or something?
I believe that is what is going on here.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:21
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No, i'm explaining my point to why i think, what i think.
With no idea what Janine used to do to make her such a much loved bad girl.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:22
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Ive been watching eastenders since it started thankyou very much. I didnt say Janine wasnt good i just said she isnt the best, and the statement above of clares history certainly prooves it, compared to what Janine has done.

You clearly havent read whats above to say that, because its only been posted 2 minutes unless you read super-fast so, why post?!
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Ive been watching eastenders since it started thankyou very much. I didnt say Janine wasnt good i just said she isnt the best, and the statement above of clares history certainly prooves it, compared to what Janine has done.

You clearly havent read whats above to say that, because its only been posted 2 minutes unless you read super-fast so, why post?!
There is nothing you can say to add anything I haven't seen on the TV myself, Ms Divine just doesn't have what Ms Butcher has... no comparisson. None whatsoever.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:28
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In your opinion that is yes, i don't know why you continue to argue your point. I dont care if you think Janine is better than Clare. There's no need to come in here and slag me down because i have a point of view.

In my eyes Clare was WAY better, end of.
And if you clearly look at the above statement and compare to Janines history Clare has done eviler things, which in my eyes make she the best villian.

Which is why Gemma Bissix has won the award for Villian of the Year and Charlie Brooks hasnt.

& 2 million who watch Hollyoaks to 15+ million who watched eastenders when Janine used to be in it, is a massive difference to win an award title named that.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:35
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In your opinion that is yes, i don't know why you continue to argue your point. I dont care if you think Janine is better than Clare. There's no need to come in here and slag me down because i have a point of view.

In my eyes Clare was WAY better, end of.
And if you clearly look at the above statement and compare to Janines history Clare has done eviler things, which in my eyes make she the best villian.

Which is why Gemma Bissix has won the award for Villian of the Year and Charlie Brooks hasnt.

& 2 million who watch Hollyoaks to 15+ million who watched eastenders when Janine used to be in it, is a massive difference to win an award title named that.
Who is slagging you down. you are on a forum, you posted a very large post about a character that I in fact enjoyed watching, however they don't compare to eachother. Clares evilness was limited to one major storyline. Which lasted just over one year. Janine had a lot more too her.
So you are saying because Gemma won the award that makes her better? c'mon we all know that isn't a real reflection on better or worse. Otherwise other people would have won in other categories.
If you can't handle an opposing opinion to yours, then maybe you should not put yours out there like that!!
I am entitled to say that Clare was in no way anywhere near as good or believable as Janine.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:40
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Who is slagging you down. you are on a forum, you posted a very large post about a character that I in fact enjoyed watching, however they don't compare to eachother. Clares evilness was limited to one major storyline. Which lasted just over one year. Janine had a lot more too her.
So you are saying because Gemma won the award that makes her better? c'mon we all know that isn't a real reflection on better or worse. Otherwise other people would have won in other categories.
If you can't handle an opposing opinion to yours, then maybe you should not put yours out there like that!!
I am entitled to say that Clare was in no way anywhere near as good or believable as Janine.
You only say that because she's been in it along time and it's always the same, just because someones been in something longer does not make them better. I'm not saying Janine wasnt good. I love Janine, i'm saying why i think Clare was better at being a bitch than Janine.

Clare was an evil bitch. Janine was more like a brat.

The point i was trying to make is, yes Janine has been a apart of eastenders a long time, but in the time shes been in eastenders, she hasn't done anything like clare has in such a short amount of time.

So much so she won a massive title for being the villian she was and yes, winning that title, does make it better, because people believed she was just that villian of the year. It may not be the best reflection, but its a start of just how good she was above Janine.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:45
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You only say that because she's been in it along time and it's always the same, just because someones been in something longer does not make them better. I'm not saying Janine wasnt good. I love Janine, i'm saying why i think Clare was better at being a bitch than Janine.

Clare was an evil bitch. Janine was more like a brat.

The point i was trying to make is, yes Janine has been a apart of eastenders a long time, but in the time shes been in eastenders, she hasn't done anything like clare has in such a short amount of time.

So much so she won a massive title for being the villian she was and yes, winning that title, does make it better, because people believed she was just that villian of the year. It may not be the best reflection, but its a start of just how good she was above Janine.
If you say so it must be true, I say that because Charlie Brooks is by far the better and more convincing actress who can take on any storyline and make it believable. Besides a year in soap 2004 and 2007 very different storylines to be up against! So you are saying short amount of time surpasses quality? I don't think so. Just shake it off and accept, I don't agree with you.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:50
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If you say so it must be true, I say that because Charlie Brooks is by far the better and more convincing actress who can take on any storyline and make it believable. Besides a year in soap 2004 and 2007 very different storylines to be up against! So you are saying short amount of time surpasses quality? I don't think so. Just shake it off and accept, I don't agree with you.

Im not arguing about acting here. Im talking about writting.
Clare was written better in terms of quality viewing yes, and she was one of the moved loved charactors Hollyoaks has ever had, so much so, people tuned into Hollyoaks and now, even eastenders to see her.

Gemma bissix became very popular because of it, because she convinced people she was evil, so i dont think her acting is a problem :sleep:

Hollyoaks fans will know what i mean. Her stay was short lived, but long remembered. People make videos still about her on youtube because of her work.

She will be apart of Hollyoaks history and remembered.

anyway....i'm not saying anymore on the matter.
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Im not arguing about acting here. Im talking about writting.
Clare was written better in terms of quality viewing yes, and she was one of the moved loved charactors Hollyoaks has ever had, so much so, people tuned into Hollyoaks and now, even eastenders to see her.

Gemma bissix became very popular because of it, because she convinced people she was evil, so i dont think her acting is a problem :sleep:

Hollyoaks fans will know what i mean. Her stay was short lived, but long remembered. People make videos still about her on youtube because of her work.

She will be apart of Hollyoaks history and remembered.

anyway....i'm not saying anymore on the matter.
For the record, the statement Hollyoaks fans will know what I mean is a waste on me, because I watched the whole Claire thing, I have been watching Hollyoaks since it started! Same as Eastenders!
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:59
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I mean real Hollyoaks fans that can actually spell charactors names properly.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:10
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I mean real Hollyoaks fans that can actually spell charactors names properly.
Now you are being Childish, if watching something from the start to the present day makes me a fake fan, then I am sorry, what is your problem exactly? I mean you do know they recast Claire right? Oh and for the record the best oaks bad character was Rob Hawthorne!
As for spelling, what is the use of being able to spell a name if one cannot spell character? Sorry, but that had to be said.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:13
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You tell me i'm being childish, then do the same thing yourself.

Whats the re-cast have ANYTHING to do with it!?

I cant be bothered with this, End of... no one cares
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:14
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You tell me i'm being childish, then do the same thing yourself.

Whats the re-cast have ANYTHING to do with it!?

I cant be bothered with this, End of... no one cares
Not really but you can't pull someone up for something you are guilty of yourself, however this is getting boring now, and no comment to Hollyoaks biggest baddie Rob.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:50
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If we're talking "soap history" then Kim Tate takes a lot of beating.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:51
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Think I'll just jump in here and say.

They are both bitches from hell. And rather how much of bitch Janine was, she didn't do half of what clare did.

I think one problem is EE fans are two quick to slate Gemma Bissix because she was in HO. Most people have said she probally shone in HO, because they can't act. Which is appaulling.

Gemma Bissix did a great job, and she was one bitch from hell, everything wrote up there, was so much better in watching.

You trying to reassure yourself or something?
And you have a real wave of sarcastic comments, thrown to anyone who doesn't see the eastenders way.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:08
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Think I'll just jump in here and say.

They are both bitches from hell. And rather how much of bitch Janine was, she didn't do half of what clare did.

I think one problem is EE fans are two quick to slate Gemma Bissix because she was in HO. Most people have said she probally shone in HO, because they can't act. Which is appaulling.

Gemma Bissix did a great job, and she was one bitch from hell, everything wrote up there, was so much better in watching.



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Ermm people can't be a fan of both shows and make a sound judgement of their views on having watched both shows from the beginning, I could never comment on Kim Tate from Emmerdale, because I didn't watch it when she was in the show, but I can comment on EE and Hollyoaks because I have been watching both from the start. Fact is for the longest time Gemma Bissix was the best thing to join Hollyoaks in a long while but that doesn't mean she outshines other peoples work.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:13
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I loved Gemma in HO, in EE she has disappointed but I'm sure some will like her on that too. They should axe her from EE, have her back in HO and make way for Janine to return to EE. All will be right then.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:17
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Ermm people can't be a fan of both shows and make a sound judgement of their views on having watched both shows from the beginning, I could never comment on Kim Tate from Emmerdale, because I didn't watch it when she was in the show, but I can comment on EE and Hollyoaks because I have been watching both from the start. Fact is for the longest time Gemma Bissix was the best thing to join Hollyoaks in a long while but that doesn't mean she outshines other peoples work.
Or maybe they can? We dunno do we... It's going to be bias either way. When anyone states anything, it's who they like the most who wins out as the better one.

Personally I think Izzy Hoyland was in the same league as them.
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:17
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Obviously im a fan of Eastenders and ive never watched hollyoaks but i dont see this big obsession with janine in eastenders, i love the actor/character but judging by the OP (who has gone off after being bored) Clare was a lot worse as a bitch, as ive said before theres a lot of hatred towards gemma bissix on this forum because of what she has done in her short stint in eastenders, so OP you will never convince these fans, there very anti gemma bissix.
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