Gos on Rise this morning didn't like Cameron's Homophobic comments.
And Gos was his main supporter!
And Gos was his main supporter!
Even Gos is backing away from Cameron's Anti-Gay Views!
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It will be a sad day for humanity if this bigoted, homophbic, repressed idiot wins a popularity competition. When will the church wake up and realise there is a god outside of their bible who would much prefer us to be shagging each other than shooting each other.
personally though i'm still confused as to why 2 ppl like cameron and steph, who are so sexually repressed its surreal would enter BB in the first place!
cameron and steph should get married, it would be like some stereotype victorian household.
cameron : "mother! put a shroud over the table, it's curved legs are giving me heathen urrrrrrges. its maaaad!"
cameron and steph should get married, it would be like some stereotype victorian household.
cameron : "mother! put a shroud over the table, it's curved legs are giving me heathen urrrrrrges. its maaaad!"
Cameron was asked for his view on same sex marriages. He gave it. As he has done on lots of things. And, in MY view, his views are gentle and considered compared to the vicious and judgemental tirades that subsequently pour off the fingers of some forum members.
If you discount the editing, the spotlight of television and the cameras and the semi-permanency of comments (videoing and replaying parts of BB), then the HMs's comments are no more outrageous or outlandish than the sorts of comments that you hear out and about on a daily basis.
Certainly the emotions that run across the forum are in a different league to the emotions running in the BB house!!! Maybe it's BECAUSE the BB house is so boring and relatively mundane that the observations are so hyper ......!!
If you discount the editing, the spotlight of television and the cameras and the semi-permanency of comments (videoing and replaying parts of BB), then the HMs's comments are no more outrageous or outlandish than the sorts of comments that you hear out and about on a daily basis.
Certainly the emotions that run across the forum are in a different league to the emotions running in the BB house!!! Maybe it's BECAUSE the BB house is so boring and relatively mundane that the observations are so hyper ......!!
RISE is a live programme and therefore not edit!!
"his views are gentle and considered "
REALLY! - you have to be joking!!!
Fingers on windpipes
Defecating in shower gels
and night after night of vindictive backstabbing of Lisa!
"his views are gentle and considered" - I don't think so!!!
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!!
"his views are gentle and considered "
REALLY! - you have to be joking!!!
Fingers on windpipes
Defecating in shower gels
and night after night of vindictive backstabbing of Lisa!
"his views are gentle and considered" - I don't think so!!!
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!!
its the first time, more or less, C4 has shown the real Cam, no wonder his fans are reeling with shock 
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“Originally posted by KriZ
RISE is a live programme and therefore not edit!!
"his views are gentle and considered "
REALLY! - you have to be joking!!!
Fingers on windpipes
Defecating in shower gels
and night after night of vindictive backstabbing of Lisa!
"his views are gentle and considered" - I don't think so!!!
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!! ”
“Originally posted by KriZ
RISE is a live programme and therefore not edit!!
"his views are gentle and considered "
REALLY! - you have to be joking!!!
Fingers on windpipes
Defecating in shower gels
and night after night of vindictive backstabbing of Lisa!
"his views are gentle and considered" - I don't think so!!!
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!! ”
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic.
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
And he said the bible told him 'man should not lie with man'.
Therefore Cameron believes that (if he really believes in the Bible as he says) - or his was lying and deflecting blame to God Himself.
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“Originally posted by trash80
cameron : "mother! put a shroud over the table, it's curved legs are giving me heathen urrrrrrges. its maaaad!" ”
“Originally posted by trash80
cameron : "mother! put a shroud over the table, it's curved legs are giving me heathen urrrrrrges. its maaaad!" ”
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
Yes it does. It's prejudiced. Just because Cameron's views are shared by a "sizeable proportion" doesn't make them alright. Why shouldn't gay people have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals?
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
His reason for being against gay marriages was because the Bible says that a man should not lie with another man - not because he doesn't believe they should be entitled to tax breaks etc. what disgusted me was that when pressed to give an opinion, he then tried to hide behind the bible as the reason for it. grow a spine Cameron.
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
He may have been asked about gay marriages, but his answer was about what the bible says in regard to gay relationships, not a gay marriage.
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“Originally posted by amd
His reason for being against gay marriages was because the Bible says that a man should not lie with another man - not because he doesn't believe they should be entitled to tax breaks etc. what disgusted me was that when pressed to give an opinion, he then tried to hide behind the bible as the reason for it. grow a spine Cameron. ”
“Originally posted by amd
His reason for being against gay marriages was because the Bible says that a man should not lie with another man - not because he doesn't believe they should be entitled to tax breaks etc. what disgusted me was that when pressed to give an opinion, he then tried to hide behind the bible as the reason for it. grow a spine Cameron. ”
If that's his belief as a Christian, why shouldn't he quote the Bible ? Would a Moslem not quote from the Koran ?
Isn't this type of question exactly why the Bible exists; to give guidance from God as to what is right and wrong ?
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“Originally posted by KriZ
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!! ”
“Originally posted by KriZ
As for his Homophobic view they are not to be tollerated at all - NO QUESTION!!! ”
I knew this would crop up, and feel I have to add my 2p worth.
Did you see Cameron in the diary room when he was giving his answer?
Firstly, of course homophobia should not be tolerated.
However, I don't think he was being *anti* anything, or homophobic per se - he was more being *pro* the biblical traditional marriage of one man and one woman, as he believes as part of his christianity. you could see he was uncomfortable with it, and certainly didn't come across as a bigot with hateful, homophobic feelings. he has also said that, whilst he has his beliefs, he isn't one for ramming them down other people's throats, and has as much respect for anyone else's beliefs.
Iain
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
But it is discrimination - and all forms of that are wrong!! - no matter how many people think that it's OK !
And did anyone tell this "Sizeable proportion of the population" that Homosexualiy has been legal since 1967!!!
Yes! there are certain people that live in the dark ages - thankfully most of us have moved on - sad that some people will moan cos they have been left behind!!!
Or put simply - Why the hell have Gay people not got the same rights as anyone? Leave Religion and it's outdated views behind - set up a civil Marrage for all (Gay and Straight) that wish to dump Religion and all it's nastiness!!!
And as for the sad minority that object - maybe we don't need your opinion !!!
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“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
“Originally posted by Rocky
He was asked his opinion on gay marriages, not gay relationships; on the question of gay marriages, a sizeable proportion of the population would support him. That doesn't make them homophobic. ”
yes and then he went on to say that he believed what the bible said, a man should not lie with another man i.e. homosexuality is wrong
homophobic enough for you now?
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“Originally posted by iain
I knew this would crop up, and feel I have to add my 2p worth.
Did you see Cameron in the diary room when he was giving his answer?
Firstly, of course homophobia should not be tolerated.
However, I don't think he was being *anti* anything, or homophobic per se - he was more being *pro* the biblical traditional marriage of one man and one woman, as he believes as part of his christianity. you could see he was uncomfortable with it, and certainly didn't come across as a bigot with hateful, homophobic feelings. he has also said that, whilst he has his beliefs, he isn't one for ramming them down other people's throats, and has as much respect for anyone else's beliefs.
Iain ”
“Originally posted by iain
I knew this would crop up, and feel I have to add my 2p worth.
Did you see Cameron in the diary room when he was giving his answer?
Firstly, of course homophobia should not be tolerated.
However, I don't think he was being *anti* anything, or homophobic per se - he was more being *pro* the biblical traditional marriage of one man and one woman, as he believes as part of his christianity. you could see he was uncomfortable with it, and certainly didn't come across as a bigot with hateful, homophobic feelings. he has also said that, whilst he has his beliefs, he isn't one for ramming them down other people's throats, and has as much respect for anyone else's beliefs.
Iain ”
Well said !
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“Originally posted by iain
I knew this would crop up, and feel I have to add my 2p worth.
Did you see Cameron in the diary room when he was giving his answer?
Firstly, of course homophobia should not be tolerated.
However, I don't think he was being *anti* anything, or homophobic per se - he was more being *pro* the biblical traditional marriage of one man and one woman, as he believes as part of his christianity. you could see he was uncomfortable with it, and certainly didn't come across as a bigot with hateful, homophobic feelings. he has also said that, whilst he has his beliefs, he isn't one for ramming them down other people's throats, and has as much respect for anyone else's beliefs.
Iain ”
“Originally posted by iain
I knew this would crop up, and feel I have to add my 2p worth.
Did you see Cameron in the diary room when he was giving his answer?
Firstly, of course homophobia should not be tolerated.
However, I don't think he was being *anti* anything, or homophobic per se - he was more being *pro* the biblical traditional marriage of one man and one woman, as he believes as part of his christianity. you could see he was uncomfortable with it, and certainly didn't come across as a bigot with hateful, homophobic feelings. he has also said that, whilst he has his beliefs, he isn't one for ramming them down other people's throats, and has as much respect for anyone else's beliefs.
Iain ”
Yes! I did see it completey!
As for "ramming them down other people's throats" that's EXACTLY what he has been doing since day 1 !
Moralising and looking down his nose at everyone that do not follow his Twisted Religion!
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“Originally posted by ben4321
Yes it does. It's prejudiced. Just because Cameron's views are shared by a "sizeable proportion" doesn't make them alright. Why shouldn't gay people have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals? ”
“Originally posted by ben4321
Yes it does. It's prejudiced. Just because Cameron's views are shared by a "sizeable proportion" doesn't make them alright. Why shouldn't gay people have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals? ”
No reason whatsoever. All the fuss recently (ie unmarried heterosexual couples are not afforded the same rights now as homosexual couples could have been avoided if they'd just gone the whole hog and allowed gay marriages.
Cameron, for whatever reason, may not agree with that, but thats arguably a long way short of homophobia.
Iain
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“Originally posted by KriZ
Yes! I did see it completey!
As for "ramming them down other people's throats" that's EXACTLY what he has been doing since day 1 !
Moralising and looking down his nose at everyone that do not follow his Twisted Religion! ”
“Originally posted by KriZ
Yes! I did see it completey!
As for "ramming them down other people's throats" that's EXACTLY what he has been doing since day 1 !
Moralising and looking down his nose at everyone that do not follow his Twisted Religion! ”
His religion is Christianity; are you saying that all forum members who are Christians are twisted for following their chosen religion ?
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“Originally posted by KriZ
But it is discrimination”
“Originally posted by KriZ
But it is discrimination”
Cameron was only expressing his own beliefs - he wasn't discriminating against anyone.
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“Or put simply - Why the hell have Gay people not got the same rights as anyone? Leave Religion and it's outdated views behind - set up a civil Marrage for all (Gay and Straight) that wish to dump Religion and all it's nastiness!!!”
“Or put simply - Why the hell have Gay people not got the same rights as anyone? Leave Religion and it's outdated views behind - set up a civil Marrage for all (Gay and Straight) that wish to dump Religion and all it's nastiness!!!”
That would certainly be the most sensible thing to do, yes.
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“And as for the sad minority that object - maybe we don't need your opinion !!! ”
“And as for the sad minority that object - maybe we don't need your opinion !!! ”
The impression Cameron gave was that whilst he might not personally agree with it, I don't think he would particularly object.
Iain
expressing his opinion about gay marriages/gay relationships (that he does not think it's right) does not make Cameron homophobic.
A homophobic is fearful of gay people, or is disgusted by them or loathes them ...... Cameron did not describe any of these as his response to the question as to whether he thought gay relationships were right.
Sorry trash and kriz .... I know you want to condemn the man for everything he does but it would help if you were accurate in your use of language and accurate in how you describe what Cameron says and does.
This is no particular defence of Cam ... just a dislike of exaggeration and inaccuracy!!
A homophobic is fearful of gay people, or is disgusted by them or loathes them ...... Cameron did not describe any of these as his response to the question as to whether he thought gay relationships were right.
Sorry trash and kriz .... I know you want to condemn the man for everything he does but it would help if you were accurate in your use of language and accurate in how you describe what Cameron says and does.
This is no particular defence of Cam ... just a dislike of exaggeration and inaccuracy!!
Cameron's like every other bigoted fool that uses the Bible as their excuse to despise homosexuality. He picks and chooses the bits of the Bible he likes to live by and ignores the rest. I wonder if Cameron has ever had a bank account and contributed to the lending of money at interest? Or has ever worn clothes made of more than one material? Or eaten particular shellfish? All these things are also forbidden by the Bible yet you don't see him ranting about how terrible they are.
Droo
Droo
droo boy ...
I don't recall Cameron doing either of these..... is this another example of exaggeration?
I don't recall Cameron doing either of these..... is this another example of exaggeration?
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“Originally posted by trash80
homophobic enough for you now? ”
“Originally posted by trash80
homophobic enough for you now? ”
frankly, no.
to me homophobia implies complete intolerance of homosexuality, a bigotted view on the subject where people are unable to even bring themselves to speak to gay people, be in the same room as gay people, often expressing aggressive, be it verbal or even physical behaviour towards gay people.
simply not agreeing with it is falls far short of this sort of intolerance.
there must be some things you don't agree with, but are not intolerant of. for example vegetarians choose not to eat meat, but most are not intolerant of non-vegetarians.
Iain
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