Here here.

If anything is at fault it is Christianity itself, for remaining in the 'Dark Ages' to quote another FM and basing its whole attitude to gay rights on a two thousand year old piece of propaganda.

If things had gone belly up in 1940 would we have berated him for liking Justine?

That's not the point I was making. if anyone on this forum had been asked what they thought Cameron's view on gay people would be before had expressed it, I think most of them would have been able to predict it. I don't think Cameron's views about homosexuality have anything to do with what the bible says and I think he's using it as a something to hide behind when being forced to express an opinion that he recognises may be unpopular. THAT'S what I have a problem with.

you'll have seen cameron's body language then? hardly a tirade of homophobic hate was it?


either that, or just wondering around wide eyed due to the complete cultural difference of his way of life in Orkney with the bright lights of the BB house. *wow-weeee!*

Iain

Are you a mind reader?

The forum members predicting Cameron's alleged homophobia (I am still at a loss how that word came to be used) are the same FMs that have resented Cameron's continued residence and not their blessed J. Tickle.

its not just the "Book". i'm not a christian myself though my wife comes from a strong christian background, the Bible is full of strange ideas and instructions. if you were to take everything in the Bible literally you'd live a very strange life indeed. thats why people who blame the Bible for their views make me laugh, they pick and choose a lot already so why not deselect the homophobia too?

Change the record. That's old news.

I believe people are intelligent to judge housemates on their own merits - and they dislike Cameron. The "gay marriages" incident merely adds another weapon to the arsenal.

Except, of course, we all know that this 'sheltered life on Orkney' is all a myth and he's actually a widely-travelled man.

by far the most sensible post on this thread
well said Iain

I've never promoted myself as a mind reader, but if by predicting that Cameron would be against homosexuality and his confirmation that he was makes me one, then perhaps I should.

right, off to update CV with new skill...

I disagree. We can, as some people on this thread have done, take the word 'homophobia' at its face value and thus see it as the irrational fear of gay people that you describe. The word seems to have come to be used to describe all forms of unequal treatment of gay people where, perhaps in some cases, the word 'heterosexism' would be more accurate.

Regardless of the niceties of such definitions however, Cameron's words very strongly implied intolerance. Yes, he may be able to tolerate the presence of gay people, but sex between them, an important part of any loving relationship, is something that he morally abhors, and he can bring in the weight of the bible to back this up. He sees gay relationships as second class compared with heterosexual relationships such that gay couples should not be allowed to marry - they are partial relationships undeserving of any official affirmation. Whether you term this homphobia, heterosexism or intolerance it remains an unequal treatment of gay people that privileges heterosexuality.

Replace 'gay' with 'black' in any of his diary room words and you get a completely unacceptable level of discrimination. Why should this not be seen as the case for his original words? Whether or not Cameron expresses these views through violence and agression or through considered words makes no odds to me - the resultant downgrading in his eyes of one group of people compared to another remains the same.

Maybe when the truth about his gay marriage views is made apparent to the other HMs (I'm thinking Jon here), they will challenge about his overall attitude to homosexuality. Then perhaps we'll really see him give some controversial opinions...

What an icredibley well written post !!! - well done !!!

That's what they just can't see - relplace Gay with the word Black and you have a VERY diferent story !!! - Why is that?

But the bible is disgusted by them and loathes them ....for example this passage:

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. "

Cameron *believes* in this bible and uses it as a way to live by its teaching. What does this make of Cameron regarding homosexuality?

Honestly I can see Gos being the type of bloke who calls gay men poofs when he's out with his mates. I don't think there's any way he'd condone Cameron's behaviour in public though...he was always thinking of what the public would think when he was in the house so why should he be any different out of it?

What IS the matter with you all - Cameron was asked for - and gave - his personal opinion - he quoted the bible and said that that was his belief. NOWHERE did he say that all gays were wrong - he merely stated that IN HIS OPINION.....!

CAMERON TO WIN BB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He said that gay sex was wrong (let no man lie with another man etc) The sexual act is a major defining factor of any sexuality. So even if it's not wrong to be gay per se, you must have a major part of your life denied from you. It's as good as saying homosexuality is wrong to me I'm afraid.

Yes, Cameron was asked for and did give his personal opinion. And it's one I find repulsive.

Oh - and there's nothing the matter with us all. Do you have a problem with people engaging in informed and passioned debate? I know it's something Cameron has shied away from throughout the whole of BB.......