I am a bit confused here as to why you lot think cameron is homophobic....
I know he said that he thinks 2 gay people should be allowed to marry-but is there anything else that he said /did?

Hi Ip there are many threads discussing this at the moment

yes but everyone just goes on about how hes lost the pink vote and that no gays are going to vote for him.
Bue could someone just please quickly outline what evidense they are basing this on? Besides his comments about gay marriage that is....
Thanks

Briefly he said gay people should not be allowed to marry and went on to quote the bible saying that men should not lie with men etc., etc., etc.,

Homophobic, 18th century twaddle

I think it is all based on his 'opinion' given on the question of 'do you think gay couples should be able to get married' (or something along those lines). Having watched this again, Cameron in no way came over as being homophobic, he just stated what he believed in.

lu

he is homointolerant not phobic I guess

He aint afraid he will smash their windpipe

I think the main problem is that Cameron's beliefs impinge upon the freedom of others. That's why it's homophobic - he has a fear that homosexual couples will one day gain the complete freedom and legal protection currently afforded to heterosexual couples. If he wasn't afraid of this notion, he wouldn't be a against it, he'd be ambivalent towards it.

I see where you are coming from, but I can't seen any evidence of him trying to force his beliefs onto others.

Funny no-one seems to have mentioned that non-married hetero couples don't have the same rights as married couples.

lu

So we meet again lulu

The point is they COULD get married if they chose too Gay couples can't!

Neither too has anyone suggested, on national TV or otherwise, that non-married hetero couples should not be able to get married. The two situations are completely unrelated.

it's a very good point Lulu - they do of course have the right to marry and that is the choice - gay couples do not have that choice.

Personally though I think that all rights should be extended to all couples who wish to have some kind of civil ceremony.

And funny how this forum is suddenly a gay-rights forum

Why the hell do gays want to get married anyway? Marriage is just an out-dated reactionary institution, not sure why they want to take part in that?

The last time I checked residents of the United Kingdom are still entitled to have there own opinions, even if others disagree with then.

I believe anyone who goes to church are fruitcakes as I do not believe in GOD, that is only my opinion. Cameron and anyone else who have there own opinion on religion, sexuality, etc shold not be dictated to by others.

I believe we live in a Free Country where you are allowed to voice your opinions, if you don't like them don't listen. Why do we always have to be so PC these days?

Possibly the same reason why many heterosexual couples do. To affirm their love for one another.

He's entitled to his opinion, and I haven't said otherwise. I've just highlighted why it was homophobic, which is what this thread was set up to dicuss. What is your point?

If you want a civil ceremony fine do what you want. But two people of the same sex should not and can not get married in church. It is against the Christian religion. Right or wrong thats the facts. I'm not against two people of the same sex living together but then it gets complicated when children get involved for all kinds of reasons.
It is a subject that can be talked about but you would just go round and round because there is no right or wrong answer. It's up to the individual.
I don't think Cameron is a bad person because his religion is against it.
He keep opinions to himself.

We don't actually know for sure that he disagrees with people being gay, he might just disagree with them getting married, which IMO is completely different

No it isn't. It's denying gay people the same rights as heterosexuals however you look at it.

I wonder how Cameron would have coped if a homosexual had been in the house......

Well we know that the bible disagrees with people being gay, and Cam used the bible to justify his reason why he disagrees with male-male relationship.

Why is that an issue? Whether a gay couple wants to or not. They should be able to if they want to.

I agree with cword. There are many other threads on this subject now and it's all getting a little much.

They can, just go and stand in some forest and put rings on each others fingers, then say you love each other - just as good.

It is not just the Church which prohibits gay marriage, UK law does. Cameron was not asked to express the opinion of the Church, but as a Christian chose to do so. Gay marriage is permitted in more liberal countries.

It is NOT up to the individual to decide this matter. You cannot do things prohibited by law unless you are willing to be branded a criminal and to take the consequences of punishment.

Cameron's opinion was to limit the freedom of gay people to express their love and commitment for each other by getting married in law and having the same status and rights as heterosexual couples. That is not an opinion of someone interested in allowing people free expression of themselves.

I know that, you know that. But some people still see a marriage in front of god as something that they wish to do to demonstrate their love and commitment for each other. Sommet to do with 'Holy Matrimony'. I respect these people and their wishes, so should you. So should Cameron.