Why are only Cameron's views, on same sex marriage being dicscused? The views we saw on the highlights programme were edited from a much longer explanation, which we weren't shown.
Have any of the other housemates views on the same topic been shown?
If so were they edited down? & why aren't they being discussed on the forum?

According to the official site, both Scott and Ray agreed gay people should have equal rights. Jon and Steph's views weren't mentioned...

How controversial Scott and Ray were in those replies. Wonder what Jon said - he's a bit of an old fart on most matters...

Scott's views were shown on C4 last night and he said he was in favour of homosexual marriages.

However we didn't get to hear what Ray, Steph, or Jon's views were on the subject.

Clearly Cameron's views were shown because C4 knew they would get a reaction from the Cameron bashers who live here and have nothing better to do with their time

While I disagree with Cameron's opinion I totally respect his right to give it.

I would hate to think we are becoming so politically correct that we shall end up booing Cameron for having that opinion.

Freedom of speech is becoming harder and harder to maintain in these worrying times and if he were to be treated here like the Dixie Chicks were in America for expressing an opinion then heaven help all of us.

Thank you, I must have missed that.
So is it only Cameron's views that are worth debating on the forum now?

Latest shock news....Cameron's just said he HATES chocolate hob nobs!! I wonder if that's the final staw!

I don't think they ask them all the same questions. Just as we heard Jon's view of the afterlife and Steph's view of the death penalty, we didn't hear the others, maybe they haven't been asked. I would love to hear Cam and Ray's view on the death penalty.

Cameron didn't exactly voice it as his opinion; he said he got it from the Bible. He doesn't consider that there may be a difference between what he chooses for himself and what choices other people should be allowed to make.

If we're wrong to boo someone who claims another's rights should be taken away because of an accident of birth, what is the appropriate response? Surely booing is a way of expressing your opinion, and we should have as much right to do it as Cameron (and we might even be brave enough to do it in public, rather than locked in a cupboard).

Scott was adamant that gays should be treated equally to straight couples and that they should be allowed to adopt children too. Good on him!

There is a thread on Jon's views on the afterlife, and also one on Steph's views on masturbation, if you'd care to peruse the forum....

(however, usually the opinions which excite the most debate are the ones which are unusual, illegal or downright reprehensible, which is why Cam's anti-gay stance was considered worthy of comment)

OK...I take your point but booing is hardly the way to constructively criticise what Cameron has said and even take the opportunity to persuade him through reasoned argument, to change his mind.

Plus if this were the case I can see me booing all of the housemates because they have all said things during their tenure in the house that I have disagreed with.

For example I think Jon's response regarding the monarchy made him sound like a veteran from the Great War and while I have every respect for these veterans I doubt he has even completed an assault course.

Likewise, I totally disagreed with Steph's views on the death penalty (although in fairness, I had expected her to feel that way) but shall resist the temptation to be sad enough to go to the house on Friday with a placard saying as much

This has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness.

To someone who believes in equal rights for all, this was a very extreme view. In my view, it's no different to believing in women do not deserve equal rights.

Someone who does not belive in equal rights for woman is not being "politically incorrect". They are being a bigot. In my view, the same rules apply here.

I thought they all got asked the same questions.
I think it's shortsighted of them not to show ALL the views, it would make a very interesting programme.

Thats it drag the bigotted b******d out and hang him now

Freedom of speech should be about FREEDOM not the spreading of racist bigotry. Would you defend the right of the BNP to spread hateful racism? . We shouldn't outlaw them but we must show societies displeasure at these views. People have died because of the bigotry expressed in the bible.

Its not anti cameron its anti bigot - by all means vote to give him 70k we won't see him again but don't give the bigot a platform.

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This is EXACTLY what I've been saying - that Cameron didn't exactly express an opinion based on his own understanding of human beings and what he has learnt from life, which surely should be tolerance, but CHOSE to quote a particularly hateful part of the Old Testament as 'his' view. Nor did he attempt to moderate the quote by saying anything about this blanket condemnation of homosexuality.

Camerons already stated his opposition to equal pay for women, and that he would never want a woman to go to a business meeting in case she got loud and opinionated

Yep If you know where to look then you can find anything in the bible to back up your views. Alot of the bible contradicts itself i.e and eye for an eye v's Turn the other cheek. (wonder which one he would pick there? )

What we are hearing is Camerons personal views and beliefs. Unfortuantly he is using the bible to hide behind saying this is what it is telling me I should believe.

I'd love to put one question to Cam:

"If in your belief God created everthing on this planet then God created Gays too. Why then do you seem to want to class them as second class citizens and not afford them the same rights as the rest of the human race?"

Ah well, he has something else in common with Jon there then

I absolutely WOULD defend the BNP's right to spread their message, however much I disagree with it. After all, they are not outlawed as a political party are they?

The BNP is possibly not a very good example given the fact they do have to be careful not to incite racial hatred but I am assuming they work very carefully within the law and our democractic society allows us to vote for these bigots if we so choose to.

And regarding equality for homosexuals, I didn't actually hear Cameron say that they should be marginalised or criminalised, which I personally would have found far more offensive than saying he disagreed with gay marriage.

If Jerry Springer can ridicule the Klu Klux Klan who used to regularly turn up on his show and hurl anti-semitic filth at him and yet STILL defend they had the right to say it, then I can certainly defend freedome of speech

But did Scott not say that he approved of civil marriages for gays, not religious ones ?

that's because he wasn't being asked about how gay people should be treated/viewed. If BB asked him what he thought of homosexual in general, we can fairly assume that he will refer to the bible for his opinion, and we know that the bible marginalise and criminalise the homosexuals.

The Bible says that the sex act between two people of the same sex is wrong. To quote Leviticus, 'God hates that.' I don't think it says that people who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex should be marginalized or criminalized, nor treated badly.

I disagree you can "fairly assume" what his opinions would be on criminalisation or marginalisation of homosexuals.

How can you "fairly assume" anything about anyone? What gives you the right to do that? In fact its just lazy to do that IMHO.

Until you hear his OPINION in his own words no-one has the right to make any assumption about how he thinks.

And I would say this about anyone in that house, and anyone else who lives in this planet for that matter.

It's Cam himself who regards the bible as his spiritual guide book. He believes in it and what it says. He mentioned the bible as his reference for his view on gay relationship. As we know how the bible views homosexuals, then it fair to assume how Cam would view them.

Cam doesn't believe in sex before marriage, at the same time he doesn't approve of gay sex, thus he is marginalising people who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex to never have sex. He is in fact condemning them to be celibate for the rest of their life.