Is there anybody with a view on the Cameron thinks homosexual marriage is wrong debate who hasn't had a little fun at the expense of Tania and Lisa with regard to the tabloid speculation about their alleged transsexuality? I've experienced plenty of small-minded attitudes about that issue, and have tried to make gentle protests where appropriate. The fact is, discrimination is discrimination, and shouldn't be tolerated by any civilised members of society. Homosexuality is an issue which is now widely understood and accepted, so there are many people who will defend homosexual rights in debates such as this. Hopefully the same will also be true of transsexual issues one day.
Is this comment Racist ?
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To paraphrase the Bible, "Black should not sleep with black and white should not lie with white". Result - more "mixed race" people, ergo - less "racism".
On a more serious note, when big brother asked Cameron about his view on gay marriage, it was in the third person, however, he replied in the first person, and went off on a tangent as to why he disapproved of gay behaviour (as opposed to being gay).
racist? homophobe? mysogynyist? homosexual? asexual?
severely repressed and infantile sexually? ALL, SOME, OR NONE OF THE ABOVE.
I could now easily make an educated guess, but there is no need, for I am really sorry for Cameron. Remember that this is a human being who has gone through and is going through hell (almost literally) every day of his life. What on earth is he doing on this kind of gameshow. I wonder if Jon has realised this and as such is giving him a very easy time over these matters. It is quite easy, if one knows what one is doing, to tip people like this over the edge and into an early grave, by their own hand.
I find it highly irresponsible of the big brother psychiatrists and/or psychologists to have cleared Cameron, a tragic accident waiting to happen, and to a lesser extent Steph (a volcano waiting to explode) for entry into the bb house. The fact that they are among the last 4, does not, in my opinion, serve as justification, but makes one wonder at the psyche of the voter.
To paraphrase the Bible, "Black should not sleep with black and white should not lie with white". Result - more "mixed race" people, ergo - less "racism".
On a more serious note, when big brother asked Cameron about his view on gay marriage, it was in the third person, however, he replied in the first person, and went off on a tangent as to why he disapproved of gay behaviour (as opposed to being gay).
racist? homophobe? mysogynyist? homosexual? asexual?
severely repressed and infantile sexually? ALL, SOME, OR NONE OF THE ABOVE.
I could now easily make an educated guess, but there is no need, for I am really sorry for Cameron. Remember that this is a human being who has gone through and is going through hell (almost literally) every day of his life. What on earth is he doing on this kind of gameshow. I wonder if Jon has realised this and as such is giving him a very easy time over these matters. It is quite easy, if one knows what one is doing, to tip people like this over the edge and into an early grave, by their own hand.
I find it highly irresponsible of the big brother psychiatrists and/or psychologists to have cleared Cameron, a tragic accident waiting to happen, and to a lesser extent Steph (a volcano waiting to explode) for entry into the bb house. The fact that they are among the last 4, does not, in my opinion, serve as justification, but makes one wonder at the psyche of the voter.
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“Originally posted by mannteufel
WRONG PREMISE - WRONG ANALOGY!!
I could now easily make an educated guess, but there is no need, for I am really sorry for Cameron. Remember that this is a human being who has gone through and is going through hell (almost literally) every day of his life. What on earth is he doing on this kind of gameshow. I wonder if Jon has realised this and as such is giving him a very easy time over these matters. It is quite easy, if one knows what one is doing, to tip people like this over the edge and into an early grave, by their own hand.
I find it highly irresponsible of the big brother psychiatrists and/or psychologists to have cleared Cameron, a tragic accident waiting to happen, and to a lesser extent Steph (a volcano waiting to explode) for entry into the bb house. The fact that they are among the last 4, does not, in my opinion, serve as justification, but makes one wonder at the psyche of the voter. ”
“Originally posted by mannteufel
WRONG PREMISE - WRONG ANALOGY!!
I could now easily make an educated guess, but there is no need, for I am really sorry for Cameron. Remember that this is a human being who has gone through and is going through hell (almost literally) every day of his life. What on earth is he doing on this kind of gameshow. I wonder if Jon has realised this and as such is giving him a very easy time over these matters. It is quite easy, if one knows what one is doing, to tip people like this over the edge and into an early grave, by their own hand.
I find it highly irresponsible of the big brother psychiatrists and/or psychologists to have cleared Cameron, a tragic accident waiting to happen, and to a lesser extent Steph (a volcano waiting to explode) for entry into the bb house. The fact that they are among the last 4, does not, in my opinion, serve as justification, but makes one wonder at the psyche of the voter. ”
What do you mean by 'going through hell' ? Is there something you know about his life or are you just basing that on your observations? Just wondering; not criticising! Interested!
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Is this entire thread completely pointless hypothetical drivel?
Don't discuss. ”
“Originally posted by bbbookboy
Is this entire thread completely pointless hypothetical drivel?
Don't discuss. ”
You said it, of course if Jon had said this then he would be labeled some sort of genius
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“Originally posted by Real_Pyrrhic
Is there anybody with a view on the Cameron thinks homosexual marriage is wrong debate who hasn't had a little fun at the expense of Tania and Lisa with regard to the tabloid speculation about their alleged transsexuality? I've experienced plenty of small-minded attitudes about that issue, and have tried to make gentle protests where appropriate. The fact is, discrimination is discrimination, and shouldn't be tolerated by any civilised members of society. Homosexuality is an issue which is now widely understood and accepted, so there are many people who will defend homosexual rights in debates such as this. Hopefully the same will also be true of transsexual issues one day. ”
“Originally posted by Real_Pyrrhic
Is there anybody with a view on the Cameron thinks homosexual marriage is wrong debate who hasn't had a little fun at the expense of Tania and Lisa with regard to the tabloid speculation about their alleged transsexuality? I've experienced plenty of small-minded attitudes about that issue, and have tried to make gentle protests where appropriate. The fact is, discrimination is discrimination, and shouldn't be tolerated by any civilised members of society. Homosexuality is an issue which is now widely understood and accepted, so there are many people who will defend homosexual rights in debates such as this. Hopefully the same will also be true of transsexual issues one day. ”
If only you'd gone in the house.....
No doubt, it would've made entertaining viewing watching Cameron wrestle with his ideas on this issue.
I think the only way to change public opinion is by minorities being more overtly in the public eye and being shown as normal human beings with warmth and feelings like the rest of society.
Aggressive campaigning sadly only provokes extreme reactions from the bigoted minority.
Watching anybody in a mundane everyday situation reduces them to a level where it's impossible to view them as "freaks".
Hmmm I've always been of the opinion that people are people and come in all shapes and sizes and colours and some people are quiet and some are argumentative and some have travelled and some like guinea pigs... but at the end of the day, people are always people...
Anyone who chooses to buy into a set of beliefs that undermines that, is missing out big time, imho. But, people are people, so....
Anyone who chooses to buy into a set of beliefs that undermines that, is missing out big time, imho. But, people are people, so....
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Or what about ginger people,or people with big noses or people who say 'ah thats better' ”
“Originally posted by seba3
Or what about ginger people,or people with big noses or people who say 'ah thats better' ”
Yeah..... and lest we forget..... poor ol' Tim from BB3.... and his contact lenses...
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“Originally posted by Beyonsay
Like I said I dislike CaMORON, disagreed with his comments and do not want him to win. However my point was that any other example could have been used but no it had to be black people as always. Every time some group decides they are not being treated fairly they decide to use black people to get their point across. This makes me angry because it's like saying that black people are in the same position as every other group and this is wrong. Whether or not one accepts homosexuality, obesity, short people etc is irrelevant. The fact is that to make your argument for one group you do not need to compare them with black people as though that strengthens the argument. It does not because the very people you are talking about might not have the same views about homosexuality/fox-hunters etc. ”
“Originally posted by Beyonsay
Like I said I dislike CaMORON, disagreed with his comments and do not want him to win. However my point was that any other example could have been used but no it had to be black people as always. Every time some group decides they are not being treated fairly they decide to use black people to get their point across. This makes me angry because it's like saying that black people are in the same position as every other group and this is wrong. Whether or not one accepts homosexuality, obesity, short people etc is irrelevant. The fact is that to make your argument for one group you do not need to compare them with black people as though that strengthens the argument. It does not because the very people you are talking about might not have the same views about homosexuality/fox-hunters etc. ”
i'm sorry but i truly do not understand why you appear to take offense at the example of prejudice predicated on racinated/ethnic difference being used to highlight the inequalities subjected upon other societal-groups who suffer through discrimination and intolerance. it would appear that the reason the "black" argument is often used as a readily identifiable 'synonym' (for want of a better term) is because the Black/Racial equality movement has been at the vanguard of an evolution towards a tolerant and just society which should celebrate difference, embrace multi-culturalism and allow no truck with intolerance or discrimination based on race/ethnicity/creed/sexuality/disability/outwith-the-normative
characteristic. to use the "black" analogy is to strengthen a point as in using the "black" argument you are using the EXEMPLAR of how a cohesive movement can and has changed peoples' perceptions and undermined previous insidious tendancies to discriminate against difference.i am far from suggesting that the fight has been fought and final victory won, or that those of all races continuing to fight that battle against institutionalized racism etc are all of one mind and strategy. merely that it is undoubtedly the case that prejudice based on race is largely considered unacceptable by most in modern society. unfortunately the same cannot be said for other groups who suffer from discrimination and the overt prejudice suffered by them is far greater than wider society would now allow in terms of racinated discrimination.
the "black" exemplar is now one readily recognizable and respected by those who may, otherwise, have a tendancy towards prejudice in their views of other groupings. as such it is a very effective example to use when attempting to challenge perceptions of people who would oft be intolerant of other groups' part-defining differences but would be at pains to (and now genuinely believe themselves) not to be intolerant towards those of different race from themselves...in presenting an intolerance they understand and disagree with you then make them have to justify other intolerance(s) they may express. by and large they cannot justify these and positively evolve their perceptions to the good of all.
kimindex,
i know nothing about Cam's life, other than what I've picked up here and there. For weeks now, people have been sniggering about Cam's alleged homosexuality, but I was not convinced until I saw and heard him answer the gay marriage question in the diary room yesterday. His face was a picture of contorted internal strife, and his answer revealed that he took the question to relate to him personally, which was not actually the case, or was it?
His physical contact with females in the house (and in SA) is classic play contact, but as soon as it gets personal, a look of disgust crosses his face, and he does his usual runner.
It seems to me that we have a person who is trying to use bb to find himself, although, he is fully aware that his intolerant brand of religion, detests his sort.
I think some therapy is needed here, not to change his orientation , even if this were possible, which it is not, but to allow him to come to terms with whatever he may be, and to provide some support . For all you know, a much nicer person may emerge.
i know nothing about Cam's life, other than what I've picked up here and there. For weeks now, people have been sniggering about Cam's alleged homosexuality, but I was not convinced until I saw and heard him answer the gay marriage question in the diary room yesterday. His face was a picture of contorted internal strife, and his answer revealed that he took the question to relate to him personally, which was not actually the case, or was it?
His physical contact with females in the house (and in SA) is classic play contact, but as soon as it gets personal, a look of disgust crosses his face, and he does his usual runner.
It seems to me that we have a person who is trying to use bb to find himself, although, he is fully aware that his intolerant brand of religion, detests his sort.
I think some therapy is needed here, not to change his orientation , even if this were possible, which it is not, but to allow him to come to terms with whatever he may be, and to provide some support . For all you know, a much nicer person may emerge.
Deerd's post - good argument, well made.
In my experience there are only two types of people, open-minded and closed-minded. The former will accept any differences between people, the latter will reject them. i.e. homophobic = racist.
Arrr! I hear you say.....what about racist gays? Only a theory but I bet gay racists are also hetrophobic. I usually find that people who can accept one "minority" can equally accept others. I've yet to meet anyone who is racist but not homophobic and vice-versa. I'd even put xenophobia in that bracket too. Maybe I've been in too many London cabs (apologies to non-bigot cab drivers reading), but it always follows on.."Bloody gays....blacks....French....."
Why everyone can't accept that we're all different is beyond me. What a dull place the world would be if everyone was the same.
In my experience there are only two types of people, open-minded and closed-minded. The former will accept any differences between people, the latter will reject them. i.e. homophobic = racist.
Arrr! I hear you say.....what about racist gays? Only a theory but I bet gay racists are also hetrophobic. I usually find that people who can accept one "minority" can equally accept others. I've yet to meet anyone who is racist but not homophobic and vice-versa. I'd even put xenophobia in that bracket too. Maybe I've been in too many London cabs (apologies to non-bigot cab drivers reading), but it always follows on.."Bloody gays....blacks....French....."
Why everyone can't accept that we're all different is beyond me. What a dull place the world would be if everyone was the same.
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