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Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Do you have a BGT number Yog? Thanks.”
“Do you have a BGT number Yog? Thanks.
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Give me a couple of hours, got some things to get on with. But when I get the chance I'll post it in the Ratings Thread
Originally Posted by Yog101:
“Hasn't timeshifted much at all. It's up to 7.828m”
“Hasn't timeshifted much at all. It's up to 7.828m”
Would i be right in saying that 'live' events normally rate high overnight, but hardly time-shift at all?
That's exactly where I was expected it to end up, a pretty good rating imo certainly nothing to worry about, it got the second highest timeshift of 7b with 1.99m.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“The Rings of Akhaten also had an overnight of 5.5m and ended up with a final of 7.45m.”
“The Rings of Akhaten also had an overnight of 5.5m and ended up with a final of 7.45m.”
I was right!
Final rating for 'The Name of the Doctor.' 7.45m
Asylum of the Daleks 8.33m
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 7.57m
A Town Called Mercy 8.42m
The Power of Three 7.67m
The Angels Take Manhattan 7.82m
The Bells of Saint John 8.44m
The Rings of Akhaten 7.45m
Cold War 7.37m
Hide 6.61m
Journey to the Centre of the Tardis 6.50m
The Crimson Horror 6.46m
Nightmare in Silver 6.64m
The Name of the Doctor 7.45m
7.95 million - Series 1 average
7.71 million - Series 2 average
7.55 million - Series 3 average
8.05 million - Series 4 average
7.73 million - Series 5 average
7.52 million - Series 6 average
7.44 million - Series 7 average
To be honest. I am a little disappointed... This series was on course to be the 2nd or 3rd most watched series of Nu-Who.
Then the overlaps with BGT and the Cup Final hit the overnights, So that affected the final ratings imho.
Still a pretty good average.... So i'm happy really!
Asylum of the Daleks 8.33m
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 7.57m
A Town Called Mercy 8.42m
The Power of Three 7.67m
The Angels Take Manhattan 7.82m
The Bells of Saint John 8.44m
The Rings of Akhaten 7.45m
Cold War 7.37m
Hide 6.61m
Journey to the Centre of the Tardis 6.50m
The Crimson Horror 6.46m
Nightmare in Silver 6.64m
The Name of the Doctor 7.45m
7.95 million - Series 1 average
7.71 million - Series 2 average
7.55 million - Series 3 average
8.05 million - Series 4 average
7.73 million - Series 5 average
7.52 million - Series 6 average
7.44 million - Series 7 average
To be honest. I am a little disappointed... This series was on course to be the 2nd or 3rd most watched series of Nu-Who.
Then the overlaps with BGT and the Cup Final hit the overnights, So that affected the final ratings imho.
Still a pretty good average.... So i'm happy really!
Ratings for series 7 b quite good especially since there was not as much prominent promotion on TV as there had been in the past.
Season 7A averaged at 7.96m whilst season 7B averaged at 7.11m. That's quite a difference although nothing to panic about.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“Season 7A averaged at 7.96m whilst season 7B averaged at 7.11m. That's quite a difference although nothing to panic about.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.”
“Season 7A averaged at 7.96m whilst season 7B averaged at 7.11m. That's quite a difference although nothing to panic about.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.”
Don't blame the BBC blame the production team.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Don't blame the BBC blame the production team.”
“Don't blame the BBC blame the production team.”
I'm currently following Ian Levine on Twitter who's become quite angry about the BBC producing only TWO episodes of Who in its anniversary year. Here are some recent posts:
On the final rating for The Name of the Doctor:
What a great rating. Stunning in fact. Not counting another 2 mill on iPlayer. WHAT A SHAME THEY ONLY MADE TWO NEW EPS THIS YEAR.
This proves that if ANYTHING harms Dr Who, it's BBC indolence, and not ratings. How DARE they only make two new episodes in anniversary year
And on the person he feels might be responsible . . .
Making Sherlock, shouting at his co executive producer, firing her, going to Belgium, New York, always late delivering scripts
The frustration I feel when I see my favorite show being ruined by delay after delay, every bloody word I write should be in CAPS
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I'm currently following Ian Levine on Twitter who's become quite angry about the BBC producing only TWO episodes of Who in its anniversary year. Here are some recent posts:
On the final rating for The Name of the Doctor:
What a great rating. Stunning in fact. Not counting another 2 mill on iPlayer. WHAT A SHAME THEY ONLY MADE TWO NEW EPS THIS YEAR.
This proves that if ANYTHING harms Dr Who, it's BBC indolence, and not ratings. How DARE they only make two new episodes in anniversary year
And on the person he feels might be responsible . . .
Making Sherlock, shouting at his co executive producer, firing her, going to Belgium, New York, always late delivering scripts
The frustration I feel when I see my favorite show being ruined by delay after delay, every bloody word I write should be in CAPS”
“I'm currently following Ian Levine on Twitter who's become quite angry about the BBC producing only TWO episodes of Who in its anniversary year. Here are some recent posts:
On the final rating for The Name of the Doctor:
What a great rating. Stunning in fact. Not counting another 2 mill on iPlayer. WHAT A SHAME THEY ONLY MADE TWO NEW EPS THIS YEAR.
This proves that if ANYTHING harms Dr Who, it's BBC indolence, and not ratings. How DARE they only make two new episodes in anniversary year
And on the person he feels might be responsible . . .
Making Sherlock, shouting at his co executive producer, firing her, going to Belgium, New York, always late delivering scripts
The frustration I feel when I see my favorite show being ruined by delay after delay, every bloody word I write should be in CAPS”
I'm not saying Moffat isn't responsible but to be fair he doesn't hold the purse strings... Period dramas which are currently popular cost a fair deal to make also... Some money DW makes goes to producing them... I know these aren't necessarily your views but he does make me laugh.
One of the biggest urban myths that fans keep saying is a reason for the lack of episodes is budget cuts. They have enough money to make 14 episodes a year. The current production team can't. The problems are in Cardiff.
'Rule of thumb' of mine. Anyone quoting Ian Levine to back up their viewpoint diminishes their credibility to the level of....well, Ian Levine.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“Season 7A averaged at 7.96m whilst season 7B averaged at 7.11m. That's quite a difference although nothing to panic about.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.”
“Season 7A averaged at 7.96m whilst season 7B averaged at 7.11m. That's quite a difference although nothing to panic about.
I would say, though, that viewers have a whole week to watch each episode (and so be included in the final viewing figure) and so the finals could have stayed up if viewers continued to feel drawn to the show. Clearly at some point during season 7B the draw became less strong.
I think the 'split' really worked against season 7. It was too long and meant the Who team couldn't build any real momentum. I also think the 'no two-parters' decision was wrong too.
The fact the BBC is only filming two episodes this year, compared with the usual 14, is a real disappointment too.”
You mean the gap during the wait for the second half of the series? I agree.
I also agree with you about the two-parters. Having a series full of single episode stories gives it an almost disposable feel, where you can feel that you can dip in at any time and not miss much. But with the knowledge that you get two-parters in a series, additional to the momentum point you make, you might feel compelled to watch regularly because you might feel that you could miss out on half of a story if you don't tune in regularly enough.
Originally Posted by Torry_Z:
“I'm not saying Moffat isn't responsible but to be fair he doesn't hold the purse strings... Period dramas which are currently popular cost a fair deal to make also... Some money DW makes goes to producing them... I know these aren't necessarily your views but he does make me laugh.”
“I'm not saying Moffat isn't responsible but to be fair he doesn't hold the purse strings... Period dramas which are currently popular cost a fair deal to make also... Some money DW makes goes to producing them... I know these aren't necessarily your views but he does make me laugh.”
I get the feeling that when Doctor Who came back in 2005 there was a lot of energy from the BBC where it was evident that they wanted it to work really badly and did whatever they could to push it.
Nowadays I feel a sense of complacency with the BBC and it feels as though they see Doctor Who as a safe banker. Which they can also often use as a crutch to prop up other programmes in the schedule.
There used to be so much surrounding the show before what with spin off shows and the like.
In recent years I just haven't felt that sense that the BBC nurture it anymore as they once used to do before.
I think they've just become complacent and relaxed their foot off the pedal.
Although the final ratings are nowhere near bad, they have dropped to the lowest series average.
In any normal year it would be no skin off my nose, but it is disappointing this year because what with it being the 50th Anniversay I would have expected this year especially a massive surge of energy from the BBC to make this a very special year indeed.
It just feels like a lot less than I expected it to be.
In any normal year it would be no skin off my nose, but it is disappointing this year because what with it being the 50th Anniversay I would have expected this year especially a massive surge of energy from the BBC to make this a very special year indeed.
It just feels like a lot less than I expected it to be.
The counter to that is that Delivering Quality First said they would maximise income from Worldwide and specifically named Doctor Who as a main way of doing it. Incomes from Doctor Who drops dramatically in years when less than a full series is made. I suspect Cardiff (various issues) are the reason, not lack of enthusiasm or budget from London. Although London may not be able to make up for any budget overspends perhaps (ie series five went hugely over budget)
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“The counter to that is that Delivering Quality First said they would maximise income from Worldwide and specifically named Doctor Who as a main way of doing it. Incomes from Doctor Who drops dramatically in years when less than a full series is made. I suspect Cardiff (various issues) are the reason, not lack of enthusiasm or budget from London. Although London may not be able to make up for any budget overspends perhaps (ie series five went hugely over budget)”
“The counter to that is that Delivering Quality First said they would maximise income from Worldwide and specifically named Doctor Who as a main way of doing it. Incomes from Doctor Who drops dramatically in years when less than a full series is made. I suspect Cardiff (various issues) are the reason, not lack of enthusiasm or budget from London. Although London may not be able to make up for any budget overspends perhaps (ie series five went hugely over budget)”
Thanks for an informative reponse Nebo.
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“The counter to that is that Delivering Quality First said they would maximise income from Worldwide and specifically named Doctor Who as a main way of doing it. Incomes from Doctor Who drops dramatically in years when less than a full series is made. I suspect Cardiff (various issues) are the reason, not lack of enthusiasm or budget from London. Although London may not be able to make up for any budget overspends perhaps (ie series five went hugely over budget)”
“The counter to that is that Delivering Quality First said they would maximise income from Worldwide and specifically named Doctor Who as a main way of doing it. Incomes from Doctor Who drops dramatically in years when less than a full series is made. I suspect Cardiff (various issues) are the reason, not lack of enthusiasm or budget from London. Although London may not be able to make up for any budget overspends perhaps (ie series five went hugely over budget)”
Yes, quite possibly. My post was merely a subjective feeling on my part as a viewer on how it seems at the moment.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Yes, quite possibly. My post was merely a subjective feeling on my part as a viewer on how it seems at the moment.”
“Yes, quite possibly. My post was merely a subjective feeling on my part as a viewer on how it seems at the moment.”
It certainly seems that way, and "BBC" is a fair enough catch all for London and Cardiff.
The DQF bit of my post is fact, but obviously me blaming Cardiff is just a guess (although Moffat has had problems delivering scripts). Maybe London are ignoring DQF or too daft to actually deliver on it.
Aside from the production of the show itself there are also unfortunate contributing factors that are just bad luck. Torchwood came to a natural end. Sarah Jane was forced to end after the premature death of the star, no new spin offs were possible and BBC3 cancelled Confidential. None of which can be put at Cardiff's door. Just a run of bad luck at the worst time for the show as it entered a period of its own problems.
iPlayer request totals and some interesting extrapolation below;
http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/06...-requests.html
http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/06...-requests.html
Interesting extrapolation:
Quote:
“The figures show Doctor Who is timeshifted far more than most BBC programmes. Around 62% of the audience watch Live or within one day, compared with the BBC average of 87% watching Live. Around 23% of the viewers timeshift using a PVR compared with the BBC average of 6%, while 11% now watch via the iPlayer, compared with the BBC average of 2%.”
“The figures show Doctor Who is timeshifted far more than most BBC programmes. Around 62% of the audience watch Live or within one day, compared with the BBC average of 87% watching Live. Around 23% of the viewers timeshift using a PVR compared with the BBC average of 6%, while 11% now watch via the iPlayer, compared with the BBC average of 2%.”
So taking the Live+7 figures into account, that renders the Series 7 Average at an (Albeit unofficial) rating of 8.53 million. Marvellous!
Time for iPlayer viewers to stand up and be counted officially.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22903701
Quote:
“Catch-up TV viewed on services like the iPlayer are to be included in official TV rating figures for the first time.
Barb (Broadcasters' Audience Research Board), which compiles the figures, has announced it will track audiences through all computer devices including tablets, from the autumn. ”
“Catch-up TV viewed on services like the iPlayer are to be included in official TV rating figures for the first time.
Barb (Broadcasters' Audience Research Board), which compiles the figures, has announced it will track audiences through all computer devices including tablets, from the autumn. ”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22903701
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