Surely if we're more interested in Consolidateds than Overnights anyway, than those extra hour or so will just be caught up later in the week?

Hey, I thought we were more interested in Overnights than Live - look how that turned out

Live + VOSDAL: 4.548m
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m

Thanks Yog.

With the time adjustment where does it stand so far?

What we need is a line graph showing the ratings rise for each episode over a seven day period.

Just saying

From what I can work out (and I must stress these are just rough estimates when it comes to time adjustment), we're looking at 6.512m at the moment, when looking at a time frame of 20:24-21:06.

From Doctor Who News Page:

Episode
Live + Same Day
Repeat
Time Shift
iPlayer
Total Live+7

Deep Breath
6.81 (63%)
0.46 (4%)
2.53 (23%)
0.97 (9%)
10.76 million

Into the Dalek
5.16 (62%)
0.40 (5%)
2.21 (27%)
0,50 (6%)
8.26 million

Robot of Sherwood
5.26 (64%)
0.44 (5%)
2.03 (25%)
0.51 (6%)
8.25 million

Listen
4.82 (62%)
0.37 (5%)
2.14 (27%)
0.48 (6%)
7.80 million

A downward trend I see. These are with 7.30pm starts and X Factor partial clashes from Into The Dalek to Listen.

It's no use to Doctor Who as it doesn't benefit from it. It did when an episode in Tennant's first series followed football and one of Matt's episodes in 7a followed Strictly. Doctor Who follows Strictly now and gets no boost. The casual audience appears to be gone and the core audience is left.

Doctor Who has a dedicated audience that follow it around. It isn't getting a massive boost following Strictly. Maybe it should stay in the Summer instead?

You'll see that a lot.

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Incidentally, each series has gone below 7m by Episode 10 - with the occasional bump along the way. Series 8 has just seen the least number of episodes over 8m. We have already talked at length about this year's consistency in that regard.

Strictly was seen as a chance to get us those bumps (as previous series have episodes which received higher ratings than they would have done without additional 'events' - football, often being the case as an example) but this timeslot with this competition was a mistake.

Though I would like to highlight that while we're here to discuss ratings - the BBC will be seeing these numbers, too. We're unlikely to be the first to spot a problem or a potential problem. Things that are of concern to us aren't necessarily going to be a concern for TPTB.

If they want / need to change the timeslot next year, I'm sure they will do. We'll see a change in cast & production team before there really is a problem worth worrying out.

Live + VOSDAL: 4.548m
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m
+ Day 4: 6.415m

With the current filming schedule that would only be possible with another split series. No thank you!!

I think the decision to put the show on so late (8.30pm!!) is in some way an admission from the BBC that (a) they know its will get decent overnights regardless but (b) they also know it will gain an extra couple of million in catch-up viewing.

I think it still matters when the show is broadcast, though, because I'm not convinced all the 'live' viewers would necessarily bother to watch the show on catch-up if it was shown (as an example) at 11pm on a Thursday night. I think keeping it - to some degree - front-and-centre in the schedule remains important.

I just think Doctor Who gets the best both worlds - healthy live figures and good catch-up figures too. So what I am saying (in a round-about way) is that I don't think the 'Orange is the New Black'/Netflix approach would necessarily work for Doctor Who.

I wonder what Ratings DW would get if Strictly was split into two shows on the Saturday and DW was shown in between?

Here's an infodump graph which some may find interesting - up to Series 7b. Paul Smith posted on GB last year.

http://www.wonderfulbook.co.uk/nuratings_800.jpg

With an extra look at other top performers for comparison.

Live + VOSDAL: 4.548m
+ Day 1: 5.826m
+ Day 2: 6.216m
+ Day 3: 6.356m
+ Day 4: 6.415m
+ Day 5: 6.467m

I think they expected Doctor Who to get higher figures after Strictly.

Thanks Yog.

So around 6.6m with adjustments?

On what basis do you think that?

In my view, the key fact is that every episode so far has finished in the top 20 programmes on consolidated ratings. So the show is doing as well or better than it ever has.

Well frankly, if they did, they were stupid. Any positive effect that Strictly would have given DW was taken away by the X-Factor. It's a fact that is plain to see!

I've managed to watch more Doctor Who "live" for Series 8 than I have any other due the later start times. I tend to be out with my family or friends well into the evening.

I'd be interested to know if anyone's got any figures to prove the much said idea that less children watch live with the later start. I'd have thought that kids would watch on catch up whatever the start time, such is the changing of viewing habits and viewing technologies.

I find any pre-7.30pm start totally abhorrent. But that's just my personal opinion.

One of my mates has only just started watching Doctor Who (despite years of me shouting at her to do so). Watches it live on Saturday nights and she said that's partly due to the later timeslot. She can settle down and watch it with her dinner. I think the later time is more appealing to the casual viewer.

I think this ratings malarkey is a laugh!
The X Factor is slaughtering it.......but at the same time it is doing well anyway!! ITV win on viewers/ads.....and BBC win on Catch-up/BBC i etc !! Catch 22 or what??

Personally I think that Doctor Who is doing just as well as it did ten years ago!

Forget the ratings - they are defunct nowadays!!

I judge by the AA ratings!

The AMC Network have bought a 49.9% share in BBC America I wonder if this will mean that BBC America (and thus DW) will become available in the same number of homes as AMC itself.


The difference as of last year was about 17 million homes.

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