Oh my. I know there are outside factors to consider but that fact on its own is pretty grim.
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Weird how it's getting more popular everywhere outside of the UK. BBC America are getting record ratings. Over nights aren't great as it looks like Atlantis level of ratings but the adds on took the previous 2 eps to close to 6mil. As I said ratings outside of England are amazing. Not all doom and gloom.
Not all doom and gloom at all, it just depends on how you interpret the information. Of course that means at the same time it's possible for people to also be a bit too try-hard at getting a positive spin out of something as well.
To focus on the most shining positive first - the ratings didn't dip again, and I somewhat expected them to. The second episode had the reveal of Davros from the previous week, and the fact that it was a resolution on its side - people will be more inclined to watch a story that wraps up something that they've already sat through. Under the Lake had no such sway in terms of viewer commitment, and given the greater importance of the rugby game last night (sorry Wales, but England accounts for the majority of UK viewing figures simply because it's where most people are) I was surprised that it didn't see a minor drop again. All this without accounting for the shockingly late broadcast time that will have some kind of impact on family viewing.
To remain subjective though, the overnights are notably down on previous years. How much of that is due to a shift in how the show is consumed, and how much is down to viewer decline is next-to-impossible to determine right now. The show is still managing very respectable - though not remarkable - viewing figures across the following weeks. This is somewhat to be expected from a "same old, same old" series that isn't chucking much new or innovative at the screen. Its success away from the UK and its continued growth, particularly in the USA, is perhaps a truer reflection of how the show is faring. The UK schedules are cramped beyond all reckoning right now between Doctor Who, Strictly, X Factor, rugby and god knows what else they're managing to squeeze in there on Saturday nights.
I think it's all something to pay attention to, but not something to be hugely concerned about. The show still holds its own in the toughest slots of the year, and it's even performing better overseas. Of course there'll be the doom-mongering from the media, and in turn this is used by people who like to hate on the show for the benefit of the rest of us... so rather than going around in circles for yet another week, me thinks it's time to lurk.
To focus on the most shining positive first - the ratings didn't dip again, and I somewhat expected them to. The second episode had the reveal of Davros from the previous week, and the fact that it was a resolution on its side - people will be more inclined to watch a story that wraps up something that they've already sat through. Under the Lake had no such sway in terms of viewer commitment, and given the greater importance of the rugby game last night (sorry Wales, but England accounts for the majority of UK viewing figures simply because it's where most people are) I was surprised that it didn't see a minor drop again. All this without accounting for the shockingly late broadcast time that will have some kind of impact on family viewing.
To remain subjective though, the overnights are notably down on previous years. How much of that is due to a shift in how the show is consumed, and how much is down to viewer decline is next-to-impossible to determine right now. The show is still managing very respectable - though not remarkable - viewing figures across the following weeks. This is somewhat to be expected from a "same old, same old" series that isn't chucking much new or innovative at the screen. Its success away from the UK and its continued growth, particularly in the USA, is perhaps a truer reflection of how the show is faring. The UK schedules are cramped beyond all reckoning right now between Doctor Who, Strictly, X Factor, rugby and god knows what else they're managing to squeeze in there on Saturday nights.
I think it's all something to pay attention to, but not something to be hugely concerned about. The show still holds its own in the toughest slots of the year, and it's even performing better overseas. Of course there'll be the doom-mongering from the media, and in turn this is used by people who like to hate on the show for the benefit of the rest of us... so rather than going around in circles for yet another week, me thinks it's time to lurk.
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“I wonder if 3.7 is the core audience, the lowest Nuwho would drop...”
“I wonder if 3.7 is the core audience, the lowest Nuwho would drop...”
Why is 3.7 M the Core Audience?
What is the difference between someone who records the show and watches at 11pm on a Saturday Night and someone who records the show and watches at 7am Sunday Morning?
Nothing.
Yet one gets counted in that 3.7M and one does not.
You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Why is 3.7 M the Core Audience?
What is the difference between someone who records the show and watches at 11pm on a Saturday Night and someone who records the show and watches at 7am Sunday Morning?
Nothing.
Yet one gets counted in that 3.7M and one does not.
You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
“Why is 3.7 M the Core Audience?
What is the difference between someone who records the show and watches at 11pm on a Saturday Night and someone who records the show and watches at 7am Sunday Morning?
Nothing.
Yet one gets counted in that 3.7M and one does not.
You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
Didn't you know, true fans drop everything they are doing to make sure they are watching live. Anyone who time shifts isn't a fan apparently.
I'm not a fan, as I haven't watched last nights episode yet (about too now, had a busy weekend).
Originally Posted by Nick_DK:
“Weird how it's getting more popular everywhere outside of the UK. BBC America are getting record ratings. Over nights aren't great as it looks like Atlantis level of ratings but the adds on took the previous 2 eps to close to 6mil. As I said ratings outside of England are amazing. Not all doom and gloom.”
“Weird how it's getting more popular everywhere outside of the UK. BBC America are getting record ratings. Over nights aren't great as it looks like Atlantis level of ratings but the adds on took the previous 2 eps to close to 6mil. As I said ratings outside of England are amazing. Not all doom and gloom.”
What about outside Wales Scotland or Ireland, the UK is not England y'know.
So ratings stayed the same... the real test is when the Rugby is over but as England the one and only important country of United Kingdom is out maybe we'll see an increase next week.
(my tongue is only half way in my cheek)
I see next weeks episode is on at the exact same time this week's was.
What's the BBC thinking?
Are they just trying to confuse an audience used to having to seach the schedule to find out when it's on?
What's the BBC thinking?
Are they just trying to confuse an audience used to having to seach the schedule to find out when it's on?
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“Quite a relief really - and I do think the overnight will return to last year's average once the rugby is gone.”
“Quite a relief really - and I do think the overnight will return to last year's average once the rugby is gone.”
Well now england are out, they'll likely be a lot less interest in it, so that could benefit who's numbers.
Sorry if it's been covered before (it's a big thread to wade through!) but has anyone plotted the final weekly chart position of the show over the years?
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Why is 3.7 M the Core Audience?
What is the difference between someone who records the show and watches at 11pm on a Saturday Night and someone who records the show and watches at 7am Sunday Morning?
Nothing.
Yet one gets counted in that 3.7M and one does not.
You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
“Why is 3.7 M the Core Audience?
What is the difference between someone who records the show and watches at 11pm on a Saturday Night and someone who records the show and watches at 7am Sunday Morning?
Nothing.
Yet one gets counted in that 3.7M and one does not.
You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
I was just wondering if that was the lowest nuwho would go in the overnights, i wasn't suggesting your less of a fan if you watch it later(i did not watch live). When i say core audience i mean people who will watch it live no matter what the competition or the time it's on(every show has a base it will drop to in the overnight's). Sorry if that agitated you
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“Didn't you know, true fans drop everything they are doing to make sure they are watching live. Anyone who time shifts isn't a fan apparently.
I'm not a fan, as I haven't watched last nights episode yet (about too now, had a busy weekend).”
“Didn't you know, true fans drop everything they are doing to make sure they are watching live. Anyone who time shifts isn't a fan apparently.
I'm not a fan, as I haven't watched last nights episode yet (about too now, had a busy weekend).”
where did i say you're not a fan if you don't watch live?...
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“when did i say your not a fan if you don't watch live?”
“when did i say your not a fan if you don't watch live?”
Did I say you did?
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“Did I say you did?”
“Did I say you did?”
the post you replied to was someone replying to me...
Originally Posted by alexjones50:
“Well now england are out, they'll likely be a lot less interest in it, so that could benefit who's numbers.”
“Well now england are out, they'll likely be a lot less interest in it, so that could benefit who's numbers.”
Next week is probably Who's best opportunity to win back some of those live viewers. ITV will be airing the dead rubber England game versus Uruguay - which I would expect won't pull half of the numbers last night's game did, and probably rather fewer than a normal X Factor episode too.
It'll probably be the weakest opposition the show will face for its entire run, so we'll have to see where it can bounce back to. You'd hope we might see a return to 5m overnights, as the show was getting much of last year, but I wonder if that may be a little ambitious. I suspect the ratings issues go a bit deeper than purely time slot or opposition - but we'll find out more next week.
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“Did I say you did?”
“Did I say you did?”
Your post heavily implied it. You and the other guy totally overreacted to a very clear and simple comment.
Originally Posted by Thomas Crewes:
“Your post heavily implied it. You and the other guy totally overreacted to a very clear and simple comment.”
“Your post heavily implied it. You and the other guy totally overreacted to a very clear and simple comment.”
I didn't overreact to anything. I was making a joke about how SOME of the participants of this thread overreact.
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“I didn't overreact to anything. I was making a joke about how SOME of the participants of this thread overreact.”
“I didn't overreact to anything. I was making a joke about how SOME of the participants of this thread overreact.”
can you please tell me how i was overreacting? Considering the post you replied to was aimed at me...
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“can you please tell me how i was overreacting? Considering the post you replied to was aimed at me...”
“can you please tell me how i was overreacting? Considering the post you replied to was aimed at me...”
My reply was not aimed at you though. It was aimed at the person who I quoted, this line in particular:
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Quote:
“You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
“You can't define what a Core audience is while ignoring over half the people who watch the show.”
Just because someone has replied to someone that has replied to you it does not mean they are also aiming their reply at you. I wasn't. I would have multi quoted if that were the case.
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“My reply was not aimed at you though. It was aimed at the person who I quoted, this line in particular:
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Just because someone has replied to someone that has replied to you it does not mean they are also aiming their reply at you. I wasn't. I would have multi quoted if that were the case.”
“My reply was not aimed at you though. It was aimed at the person who I quoted, this line in particular:
H
Just because someone has replied to someone that has replied to you it does not mean they are also aiming their reply at you. I wasn't. I would have multi quoted if that were the case.”
Okay, thank you for clearing that up...
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“I was just wondering if that was the lowest nuwho would go in the overnights, i wasn't suggesting your less of a fan if you watch it later(i did not watch live). When i say core audience i mean people who will watch it live no matter what the competition or the time it's on(every show has a base it will drop to in the overnight's). Sorry if that agitated you”
“I was just wondering if that was the lowest nuwho would go in the overnights, i wasn't suggesting your less of a fan if you watch it later(i did not watch live). When i say core audience i mean people who will watch it live no matter what the competition or the time it's on(every show has a base it will drop to in the overnight's). Sorry if that agitated you”
I'm not agitated I just don't think you can work out a Core audience using the overnight figures.
3.7 M didn't watch it Live.
The Overnights also include those who record it and watch it before 2am.
But why should someone who watches at 1.am be counted in your Core audience and someone who watches at 3.am not?
You either have to just use the Live figures or use the full consolidated Ratings to define your Core audience.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“I'm not agitated I just don't think you can work out a Core audience using the overnight figures.
3.7 M didn't watch it Live.
The Overnights also include those who record it and watch it before 2am.
But why should someone who watches at 1.am be counted in your Core audience and someone who watches at 3.am not?
You either have to just use the Live figures or use the full consolidated Ratings to define your Core audience.”
“I'm not agitated I just don't think you can work out a Core audience using the overnight figures.
3.7 M didn't watch it Live.
The Overnights also include those who record it and watch it before 2am.
But why should someone who watches at 1.am be counted in your Core audience and someone who watches at 3.am not?
You either have to just use the Live figures or use the full consolidated Ratings to define your Core audience.”
maybe 'core audience' is the wrong thing to say. I was just wondering if the 3.7 million overnight audience(not live) would be the lowest nuwho would drop(considering last week also had 3.7 with the same competition), that is all...
As the broadcast ratings have turned into quite a pretty little conundrum that doesn't look likely to admit of a solution any time soon does anyone have access to other metrics - for instance attendance figures for the Exhibition in Cardiff.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“I was expecting a slight drop tbh due to the vital rugby game, the fact that the entire episode was against the match and the later time slot. Someone on the other ratings thread suggested there would have been less interest in Wales for this game. Anecdotal I know, but that wasn't the case with me or anyone I know considering our form against Australia! (ie Brave performance, close game...Aussies win with a kick in the last minute.)
Enough about sport......not a bad rating in the circs and hopefully we'll see an upward trend next week. I am really not keen on Who going post watershed during an episode, but those are the cards we've been dealt.”
“I was expecting a slight drop tbh due to the vital rugby game, the fact that the entire episode was against the match and the later time slot. Someone on the other ratings thread suggested there would have been less interest in Wales for this game. Anecdotal I know, but that wasn't the case with me or anyone I know considering our form against Australia! (ie Brave performance, close game...Aussies win with a kick in the last minute.)
Enough about sport......not a bad rating in the circs and hopefully we'll see an upward trend next week. I am really not keen on Who going post watershed during an episode, but those are the cards we've been dealt.”
The Welsh would have had a massive interest in the game, knowing that an England defeat would send Wales through, whereas an England win would mean they probably would have to beat Australia next week. And the Welsh love rugby more than the English anyway, certainly the South Welsh.
One thing that's struck me, is that with 2 parters there's less incentive to watch the first part live. If you're not bothered about social media spoilers, you could watch UTL any time this week, indeed watching it for the first time on Saturday afternoon would be the perfect runup to the second part.
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