Which is why the TV ratings probably aren't as far out as people claim they are - an awful lot of catch up viewing is done on Smart TVs which afaik is already included in the BARB ratings. They're currently still doing a separate report for website and app views although no idea if they can tell if these are unique views (i.e not someone who'd already seen it). At most this adds about 0.3m to the 7 day total IF they're all unique views.

Yeah I think the 1,100,000 figure was for the whole of Australia for Deep Breath and the five major cities that ep only scored 700,000 and that's the highest Who's ever been in Australia.

Actually it has been more along the lines of 6-700k + from non-TV iPlayer.

People have been referencing the new BARB data, but it's still only a partial report - no live viewing for iPlayer, and nothing at all from the Android app. Apart from anything else that's a huge chunk of student viewers missing.

The BBC Live+7 figures check the iPlayer stats against user reporting (that is how users are viewing the shows they report on). AIUI they use the Gfk AI data, though it might be a different panel. That's a rougher report than from BARB, but a more comprehensive one at present. It also screens out repeat views via TV repeats.

An example I've used before:

Hide - 4.97m o/n + 1.63m ts + 0.42m rep. + 1.43 week 1 iPl. (all) = 8.45m
Lv+7 - 4.97m o/n + 1.63m ts + 0.27m rep. + 0.77 week 1 iPl. (non-TV) = 7.64m

The BBC may consider the repeats but obviously the final ratings won't (and it's not an issue any more since the repeats are gone).

From the figures I've seen I'm not convinced the iplayer audience is as big as people claim it is. We know that anything viewed via a tv is already included (that includes watching on game consoles etc). The android app numbers for other shows are MUCH smaller than the iOS app ones. The largest figure for any show on the android app is only 22k and that same show gets 6 times the viewers on the iOS app. That show also gets double the viewers that DW does on the iOS app. If that pattern proves to be correct than DW's android app numbers would be tiny!

Do we really think live iplayer numbers are that big? You still need a to license to watch live iplayer which probably cuts out a lot of students. Who else watches it live on the iplayer on something other than a tv? I just can't see them being huge numbers. (The only figures I could find from the bbc say that 8% of iplayer views are live).

I just can't see it as being much bigger that 0.4m even if you include the currently missing live and android app data.

I didn't suggest they did. I was using the Live+7 figures to point to their assessment of non-TV iPlayer figures.


Without iPlayer in the mix for Android users, it's hard to get a good idea. Plus the wide variation in ratios for different shows is a curious one.

That said, I have no idea why those disparities are there. There are more Android device users than iOS device users (roughly 50% of smartphone users use the former, and 40% the latter, allowing for variations caused by new device releases), and the former tend to be younger. They should be viewing shows at least as much as the iOS users (especially shows aimed at younger viewers!). Frankly it just looks odd, like there's a missing piece of information that would explain such a comparatively low usage. Especially with 5-10 million downloads measured, and versions of the app for older versions of iOS still available.


My bad phrasing. I was referring to the lack of an Android app re. students, not live viewing.


Then your quibble is with the BBC and the data they use to differentiate the iPlayer viewers. At present they offer the only comprehensive figure, and as an organisation under constant scrutiny for their data use, they have an interest in getting it right (or, at least, close).

But I'm not the one who produces the figures, just noting what they have been (and, on that note, we've obviously not got Live+7 breakdowns for this series of Who yet, so the iPlayer figures might yet be down a bit).

I was equally surprised tbh. But BARB are obviously convinced the numbers were accurate. I don't know anything about Android versions of the app though - maybe they're not very good so people don't use them?

All I can say is on the figures available so far, the not included elements seem to be only adding about 0.4m to the +7 figures. E.g Under The Lake had 184k listed one week, 154k the next. Obviously not all of those viewers should be included in the +7 as it includes the day after Before The Flood aired. But even if you included all of them that's only 338k. The Android app numbers look very small (10k if you work it out from the figures of other shows and how they compare) and in August only 7% of total iPlayer views were live so they won't be adding much to the figures. About 0.4m seems right on the figures we have.

If a couple of years ago it was more like 700k then there's been a drop in iPlayer catch up too which fits with the anecdotal evidence of the show not being instantly top of the iPlayer listings as people have noticed.

Well technically you don't need one, do you...

As I said before it looks like Doctor Who's numbers have dropped across the board. Timeshift, consolidated ratings, the lot.

The day I meet a fellow student who pays for their TV License is a dark day indeed. I'm yet to meet anyone who does.

But TC is right, all the students I know (which is in the hundreds) watch live TV on iPlayer and I'd say a solid 0% have their TV License.

Regardless of whether they're watching it with a license or not, the total number of live views for ALL programs is only around 0.6m and I can't say I've known many students stay in at 8pm on a Saturday night watching TV. Really the missing live numbers aren't going to add that much.

The type that watches Dr Who will be

Careful, you'll be using the "n" word next!

4.34m

Not good.

Taken from Main ratings thread.
tapechecked etc

Doctor Who: 4.39m (20.2%)

I'd love to see Bill Nighy as Dr Who, I'm not liking the current one at all.

Seems like 4.3-4.4m is where it's going to sit now.

So far this year:

Live is down approx 0.5m.
Consolidated down approx 0.8m
Time shift down approx 0.2m

So basically it's dropped by about 10% across all three.

(That's not including last year's premier or this year's rugby affected matches to try and make a fairer comparison - otherwise the difference is much larger).

breakdown is interesting

20:30 - 4.16m (19.3%)
20:45 - 4.12m (18.9%)
21:00 - 4.13m (19.4%)

I suspect fragmentation has a bit to do with it. When you've half a dozen live variants of the android os on the go, all customised into different flavours by half a dozen different manufacturers then loaded onto dozens of variants of hardware I'm always impressed when anyone releases an android app that will work across all devices.

iplayer is the worst end of the spectrum. I'd guess unusable for 25% of users at any point in time. I'm basing that on the roughly 20,000/80,000 negative reviews and a bit of personal experience.

I just had to check my phone to see if it was working at the moment, I couldn't remember the last time I used it.

There are better alternatives available that the BBC find harder to break especially for the young tech-literate types

As to where those show up in the viewing figures - is anybodies guess

A lot of factors as to why that 2012 series was low. Septembers in Australia are the finals season in both codes of football, with matches played on a Friday and Saturday night typically. That would be similar to going up against a Rugby world cup match with England in it.

Also it was shown 7 days after the UK, and the ABC used to premiere the show immediately after it aired in the UK on their iViewer platform, meaning people had 7 days to watch it online before it aired on a Saturday night.

When comparing this years figures to last years it is worth noting that channel 7 and channel 9 no longer have the 7.30pm junction on a sunday night, running programmes from 7 instead, which means Doctor Who is starting half an hour after those shows.

My older Doctor preference would be Mick Ford, but he is already in his 60s.

The BBC better give the next couple of weeks a big push - looks like it could be a couple of amazing episodes.

By the way, all things consdiered it was quite a good night for Doctor Who:

At 8pm, when Strictly and the X Factor overlapped, Strictly had 10.1 million (42.1%) compared to X Factor's 5.58 million (23.3%). Elsewhere on BBC One, Doctor Who's 'The Woman Who Lived' averaged 4.39 million (20.2%) and Casualty treated 3.95 million (18.7%).

AI of 81.

Ouch...That's got to be the lowest for a very long time. Since series 2?

I can't find my list of DW episodes by AI It must be the lowest for at least 7 years though.