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"...to average a total of around 6.7 million watching each episode."
When an average of 6.7m viewers is the result of losing viewers, that points to a rather strong show. I thought I qualified as a fanboi because I enjoy the Moffat era, but I didn't realise you had to be 50 years old. ![]() ) of your audience, but still a strong show! May I suggest, perhaps not as strong a show as it was before.
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Oh dear. This has turned into another "The show is doomed"' "No it isn't" thread.
Same old same old. <Sigh> |
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No it hasn't at all, that's just your (deliberate?) misinterpretation. It is a thread about ratings and that is what is (mainly) being discussed. As they say, if you find it boring, plenty of other threads you can contribute your insightful comments to.
It's that part that I find so tiresome. If you reread my earlier post you will see that I was genuinely interested initially in the stats Isambard had posted. Why are you (deliberately?) so contentious and insulting? It doesn't have to be that way. We ought to be able to debate fairly, without the barbed comments, sarcasm and insults the relevance, accuracy and interpretation of the figures. That's my preference anyway. |
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Nice spin there, lose a quarter (or whatever, it's too late to work it out!
) of your audience, but still a strong show! May I suggest, perhaps not as strong a show as it was before. |
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Nice spin there, lose a quarter (or whatever, it's too late to work it out!
) of your audience, but still a strong show! May I suggest, perhaps not as strong a show as it was before.Quote:
No it hasn't at all, that's just your (deliberate?) misinterpretation. It is a thread about ratings and that is what is (mainly) being discussed. As they say, if you find it boring, plenty of other threads you can contribute your insightful comments to.
Yes, for discussing ratings, not for treating other people like simpletons because they don't jump on the chorus of negativity with you. I sincerely hope you don't confuse the two often.
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As I said before, Who has lost 1.5m viewers in a year. I am not aware of another programme that has had such a dramatic decline. But if people want to be in denial about the problem then I guess that's their prerogative.
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Average of 7-8m viewers. If you're suggesting that's the bare minumum for what constitutes success and that 6m is bad, then it looks like TV in general needs to press its big red panic button.
Yes, for discussing ratings, not for treating other people like simpletons because they don't jump on the chorus of negativity with you. I sincerely hope you don't confuse the two often. |
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Your personal information shows you are nowhere near being "really old".
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As I said before, Who has lost 1.5m viewers in a year. I am not aware of another programme that has had such a dramatic decline. But if people want to be in denial about the problem then I guess that's their prerogative.
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I'm sure people will worry if a problem does arise, but for now the show is still on a very solid amount of viewers, with critical acclaim and gets a lot of attention through media, whether that's through promoters or the audience. It is, of course, easier to see a problem when you yourself dislike the current show, but your own opinion doesn't have any bearing on it.
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As I said before, Who has lost 1.5m viewers in a year. I am not aware of another programme that has had such a dramatic decline. But if people want to be in denial about the problem then I guess that's their prerogative.
Coronation Street loses 1.5 million viewers during 2014. http://www.atvtoday.co.uk/p60630-itv/ Eastenders loses nearly two million between Christmas 2014 and Christmas 2015 episodes. http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/26/downto...attle-5585354/ Downton Abbey loses nearly 1 million between seasons. http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...aunch-audience X-Factor loses 13.8 million between 2010 and 2015. http://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/4...est-in-history I could find reports like this all day long. How many times must it be stated - virtually all TV shows have suffered serious drops in viewer numbers in the last few years. The loss of 1.5 million Who viewers is in line with most other shows, and is doing considerably better than many. That the show is still amongst the most watched shows is clear proof that this is still a successful programme, despite what you appear to choose to believe. |
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A loss of 1.5m is a bigger loss than I'd expected. However, it's not as bad as some might think as you also have to set it in context. All TV is suffering year on year declines in viewing figures, but that does not explain all of the 1.5m drop, only a portion of it. There were other factors that mitigated against series 9 (that hopefully won't happen again). but factoring those in too, for me, still doesn't explain all of the drop.
DW remains a massively popular show, a flagship show for the BBC, but it's also fair to say it's not quite as popular (in the UK at least) as it was in Tennant's hayday. Personally, I put that down to 12 being less "mainstream friendly" than either 11 or 10 because of the way he's been written. And the more recent stories being too gloomy and too fan serving for the mainstream (The Husbands of River Song excepted). That's not to say DW is any great danger of cancellation anytime soon. I'm perfectly happy that SM is doing one more season and then "we'll see" when CC takes over the following year. There'll be a flurry of publicity around the new companion.soon and again just before series 10 airs, And, if there is one, around a new Doctor in 2018. The significance of any drop is enahnced for those who already really dislike or hate the current version of the show, than for others who don't hate the current version. |
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Agree with GDK - the show's still doing well and hopefully the buzz around a new companion will help pull a few lost viewers back for season 10.
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I would be very worried if I liked the show and it lost so many viewers. I would be concerned that its drop in popularity may lead to no series in 2016 and no public outcry about this. But of course the show is so strong something like that would never happen.
IIRC there wasn't much public outcry about the gap year specials rather than full series in 2009 either. I expect that most people have become rather accustomed to the rather haphazard broadcast dates over the past few years so the latest gap will go largely unnoticed. Also many other popular and high profile BBC dramas including Luther, Line of Duty, Peaky Blinders and Sherlock do not seem to have regular annual transmissions so people are probably more used to waiting longer for series. |
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It was only Davison's first season (season 19) that did particularly well out of the move to weekdays, bouncing between 8m-10.5m.
By seasons 20 and 21, the viewing figures had evened-out to something between 6m-7.5m. In fact, Colin Baker's first season - back on Saturday evening for the first time in four years - easily matched those season 20/21 viewing figures. It was only after the 18 month hiatus that the viewing figures really dropped ranging between 3.5m-5m. They never really covered after that. I would be very cautious of saying the TV landscape is SO different now that lessons cannot be learnt from the past because I think they still can. As someone who is keen for Capaldi to stay on when CC takes over, season 18 sets a working precedent. They changed everything about the show, new producer, new writers, new tone, new credits, and lots of other cosmetic changes but the audience don't seem to have cared or noticed any of that until there was a new leading man... |
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Its also important to note the announcement of the 18-month hiatus in 1985 was done in a far more dramatic and, it felt, definitive way.
I remember Sue Lawley reading out the headlines at the start of the 6pm news and saying "And time's up for the Time Lord as the BBC announces the show is being rested'. The Sun even had a front page headline the next day saying "Doctor Who Axed in Plot by BBC". It very much felt that the show had been axed. And so we all wrote letters! I think the announcement of the 2009 specials was handled very well. I have mixed feelings about how the BBC handled the comms for the 2016 gap year though - they knew fans were onto them, played dumb for months on end and then finally confirmed the latest production break in the same breath as confirming the new showrunner. A basic PR trick, I know, but it felt disrespectful to viewers. |
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A loss of 1.5m is a bigger loss than I'd expected. However, it's not as bad as some might think as you also have to set it in context. All TV is suffering year on year declines in viewing figures, but that does not explain all of the 1.5m drop, only a portion of it. There were other factors that mitigated against series 9 (that hopefully won't happen again). but factoring those in too, for me, still doesn't explain all of the drop.
DW remains a massively popular show, a flagship show for the BBC, but it's also fair to say it's not quite as popular (in the UK at least) as it was in Tennant's hayday. Personally, I put that down to 12 being less "mainstream friendly" than either 11 or 10 because of the way he's been written. And the more recent stories being too gloomy and too fan serving for the mainstream (The Husbands of River Song excepted). That's not to say DW is any great danger of cancellation anytime soon. I'm perfectly happy that SM is doing one more season and then "we'll see" when CC takes over the following year. There'll be a flurry of publicity around the new companion.soon and again just before series 10 airs, And, if there is one, around a new Doctor in 2018. The significance of any drop is enahnced for those who already really dislike or hate the current version of the show, than for others who don't hate the current version. Of course we've got a long time to wait before we know whether it's a blip or a trend. But whilst Who is in the 6/7m bracket and continuing to do the biz world wide, nah, I'm not gonna worry about things. S*d all I can do about it anyway!
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Out of curiosity, how much is the BBC, which is charged with making TV for Great Britain, allowed to take worldwide popularity into consideration when deciding whether or not to continue a show?
In other words, if Doctor Who started tanking in the UK, but it was as popular as ever, possibly even more popular than ever, worldwide, are they allowed to continue making the show for the money and sales worldwide despite the fact that they wouldn't really be making it for the UK TV audience? Basically, can we rest on "Doctor Who iis incredibly popular worldwide, so it will continue" or do I, as a Texan, need to be worried about the popularity and viewer numbers of the show in the UK specifically? |
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It's apparently never cut and dry when BBC Worldwide has something to gain.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-mus...es-on-bbc-one/ For the timebeing, the ratings will affect who makes the show and who stars in the show - but not whether it disappears from TV for 16 years. There will be something to worry about when the powers that be quite obviously interfere in production to 'save' it... |
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The BBC has planned production until 2020. The show has a brand new spin off being made, and series 10 will be in full production later this year. The lead actor has been asked to stay beyond next year.
What exactly is making people so worried? Sure, ratings for series 9 could have been better, but point to a long running show that doesn't hit a small dip now and again? To those who say it's not as manically popular as it used to be, I say simply this- it's been back on television for eleven years. Of course the hype might not be as strong by now. It doesn't mean people don't like it anymore, nor does it mean it's in danger of the axe. Plus, it's more been popular abroad these last few years than it's ever been before. |
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What exactly is making people so worried?
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Out of curiosity, how much is the BBC, which is charged with making TV for Great Britain, allowed to take worldwide popularity into consideration when deciding whether or not to continue a show?
In other words, if Doctor Who started tanking in the UK, but it was as popular as ever, possibly even more popular than ever, worldwide, are they allowed to continue making the show for the money and sales worldwide despite the fact that they wouldn't really be making it for the UK TV audience? Basically, can we rest on "Doctor Who iis incredibly popular worldwide, so it will continue" or do I, as a Texan, need to be worried about the popularity and viewer numbers of the show in the UK specifically? In practice, if UK ratings tanked AND critical reaction was bad as well (S9 was well liked by the reviewers unlike the Colin Baker seasons when the show was under threat) then the BBC would be forced to do something even if it was a ratings smash in Canada or Austria! |
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According to my calculations, Series 8 averaged 8m in Live+7. Excluding the inflated number for 'Deep Breath' (as it's a New Doc ep so heightened interest) and the average for eps 2-12 is 7.75m.
Average for Series 9 is 6.71m so -1.04m (13%) excluding 'Deep Breath' or -1.29m (16.1%) including it. Sure it's a loss, but what show hasn't lost upwards of 13%-16% of their audience year-on-year? |
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Sure it's a loss, but what show hasn't lost upwards of 13%-16% of their audience year-on-year?
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) of your audience, but still a strong show! May I suggest, perhaps not as strong a show as it was before.
