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Old 13-04-2008, 16:46
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From the breakdown, there does seem to be a build up of viewers around the 6.45pm/7pm mark which I guess it what RTD has spoken about.

Nice to see a big switch off at 7.30pm when 'I'd Do Anything' came on, though. Is it mean spirited for me to think 'serves them right!'?
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Old 13-04-2008, 18:57
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Series 3 Averaged at 7.0 Million and 37.6%.

This series looks like it will deifnitely top that!
Sorry but thats incorrect Series 3 averaged 7.55m - I remember posting it at the time.
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Old 13-04-2008, 21:57
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Sorry but thats incorrect Series 3 averaged 7.55m - I remember posting it at the time.
Yes I think your correct. It was certainly higher than 7 million anyway.
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Old 16-04-2008, 13:41
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Official figures in for episode 1:

Saturday BBC1: 9.14m
Sunday repeat BBC3: 1.40m
Thursday repeat? BBC3: 0.6m
DWC Sat BBC3: 0.96m
DWC Sun BBC3: 0.82m

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Old 16-04-2008, 13:49
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Official figures in for episode 1:

Saturday BBC1: 9.14m
Sunday repeat BBC3: 1.40m...
9 million is a very impressive figure.

But imagine how much higher it would have been if "millions" had not turned off in disgust at the casting of Catherine Tate as the assistant.
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:07
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9 million is a very impressive figure.

But imagine how much higher it would have been if "millions" had not turned off in disgust at the casting of Catherine Tate as the assistant.
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:14
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Bloody Catherine Tate. Coming into Doctor Who and failing to ruin the show and destroy the viewing figures as many had predicted. That really is unforgivable. She should be sacked.
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:15
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But imagine how much higher it would have been if "millions" had not turned off in disgust at the casting of Catherine Tate as the assistant.
It would have been 29.7 million viewers.

I know this for *fact* as I did a quick survey amongst my *adult*, hard sci-fi mates and factored it up.

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Old 16-04-2008, 14:19
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It would have been 29.7 million viewers. I know this for *fact* as I did a quick survey amongst my *adult*, hard sci-fi mates and factored it up.
I asked myself, my mum, my partner, our 12 year old, the bloke who delivered our chinese take-away and my best mate's wife (as he was out). And we all agree (well, apart from mum) that if Catherine Tate had not been in Partners in Crime, it would in fact have only scraped in a measly 12 viewers and the show would have been cancelled.
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:25
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Unfortunately, once Billie Piper returns (in a non-cameo capacity) that's when the ratings will plunge. After all, people on the Interweb are always going on about how much they hate her and how they don't want her to come back.

In fact, I'd be amazed if Episode 11 manages to barely scrape more than ten million viewers.
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:26
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I asked myself, my mum, my partner, our 12 year old, the bloke who delivered our chinese take-away and my best mate's wife (as he was out). And we all agree (well, apart from mum) that if Catherine Tate had not been in Partners in Crime, it would in fact have only scraped in a measly 12 viewers and the show would have been cancelled.
Wow! - I had no idea you were such an accomplished statistician, Mulett!

I'm now beginning to wonder whether my sample set of three outspoken and very passionate Tate-haters was really a representative cross-section of the audience.

* is not worthy*

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Old 16-04-2008, 14:31
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Wow! - I had no idea you were such an accomplished statistician, Mulett! Regards,
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Thanks Cypher. I did once take part in a telephone survey about femine hygiene products so I do consider myself something of an expert when it comes to statistics and surveys.

Sadly, being a man, I wasn't much of an expert on femine hygiene products (but I still managed to blagg a few free samples).
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Old 16-04-2008, 14:59
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Thanks Cypher. I did once take part in a telephone survey about femine hygiene products so I do consider myself something of an expert when it comes to statistics and surveys.

Sadly, being a man, I wasn't much of an expert on femine hygiene products (but I still managed to blagg a few free samples).
I heard that they doubled production after speaking to you.
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Old 20-04-2008, 10:26
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Saturday 19th April 2008
18.20- Planet of the Ood: 6.9m (33.4%) *peak: 7.5m (35.6%) at 18.45

Second most watched show of the day, behind Britain's Got Talent which got 10.3m (43.3%). Doctor Who beat the opposition on ITV1, Animals Do The Funniest Things, which got 4.0m (20.3%).
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Old 20-04-2008, 10:43
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I can't help but think that 6.20pm is just too early for Doctor Who. It really is taking it off the radar in many ways which won't work in the show's interest long term.

I know the BBC is desperately trying to get people to watch I'll Do Anything now that its split across Saturday and Sunday evening.

But I think the schedulers should see the viewers are switching off in their millions the moment Doctor Who finishes and simply aren't interested in another vote-for-your-favourite talent show hosted by Graham Norton.

They need to do the honourable thing and swap the two shows back to where they were last year.
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Old 20-04-2008, 10:58
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I can't help but think that 6.20pm is just too early for Doctor Who. It really is taking it off the radar in many ways which won't work in the show's interest long term.

I know the BBC is desperately trying to get people to watch I'll Do Anything now that its split across Saturday and Sunday evening.

But I think the schedulers should see the viewers are switching off in their millions the moment Doctor Who finishes and simply aren't interested in another vote-for-your-favourite talent show hosted by Graham Norton.

They need to do the honourable thing and swap the two shows back to where they were last year.
6.20pm didn't do Partners In crime any harm, did it? Yes there was the blaze of publicity with DT telling every interviewer at every opportunity that it was on at 6.20, but the fact is that people came in, sat down and watched it.

If it had remained at 6.20 the following week, I think the figures would have been much the same as they actually were, but the problem is flitting between times rather than having a fixed place - any place - on a Saturday night.

I was driving my kids home last night and they were saying "Oh good, we'll be just in time for Doctor Who." Little did they know that it had already been on for 20 minutes. As I'd Sky Plussed it they actually got what they expected, but that's not going to be the case for everybody.

Even moving it later isn't a disaster as people will tune in expecting it, then when it's not on they can check listings to see what's happening and catch it later. When you move it earlier - even five minutes - and people switch on in the middle of the action, I can't blame them for switching off/over again. This paragraph is my theory on viewing habits, it would be interesting to see the minute by minute breakdowns at 6.20 last week and 6.45 this week to see if there is evidence to back it up.

But I stand by what I said just now, and what I've said since the 6.20 timeslot was first revealed. Any time in that 6pm to 7pm area is perfectly fine, as long as you LEAVE IT THERE!
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:00
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I can't help but think that 6.20pm is just too early for Doctor Who. It really is taking it off the radar in many ways which won't work in the show's interest long term.
To be fair the 6:15-6:45pm range has actually worked quite well for the ratings in the previous few weeks. The ratings didn't drop off as much for the second episode as in previous years and it looked as though it might actually be a better slot than the 7pm one. However it has dropped off quite considerably for the third episode against pretty weak competition but there's no way the BBC would risk Doctor Who against Britains Got Talent. If anything, the show had the better slot last night because it didn't have to compete against a show that was bound to give huge ratings.

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I've just seen that BGT was on at 8pm not 7pm (like I watch ITV ). Blimey, Mr and Mrs got almost the same ratings as Doctor Who. Seriously, the Great British Public deserve rubbish programming if they are willing to tune in for celeb reality shows
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:11
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5 Minute Breakdown for Planet of the Ood

18:10..4.52m
18:15..4.82m
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18:20..5.66m
18:25..6.18m
18:30..6.53m
18:35..6.83m
18:40..6.96m
18:45..7.21m
18:50..7.42m
18:55..7.89m <-- absolute peak.
19:00..7.09m
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19:05..5.29m
19:10..5.58m

Just shows starting at 18.20 is a bad decision. BBC should definitely swap DW and I'd Do Anything around.
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:13
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I was driving my kids home last night and they were saying "Oh good, we'll be just in time for Doctor Who." Little did they know that it had already been on for 20 minutes. As I'd Sky Plussed it they actually got what they expected, but that's not going to be the case for everybody.
Although it should help the final (non-overnights) figures, especially as more people will have Sky+'d it like yourself.

But I stand by what I said just now, and what I've said since the 6.20 timeslot was first revealed. Any time in that 6pm to 7pm area is perfectly fine, as long as you LEAVE IT THERE!
Yes, I totally agree with that - what is more likely to lose viewers is the constant moving around the schedule, people don't know when to find it. Not too bad if it's just five mins or so, but 25 mins is really stupid.
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:19
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5 Minute Breakdown for Planet of the Ood

18:10..4.52m
18:15..4.82m
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18:20..5.66m
18:25..6.18m
18:30..6.53m
18:35..6.83m
18:40..6.96m
18:45..7.21m
18:50..7.42m
18:55..7.89m
19:00..7.09m
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19:05..5.29m
19:10..5.58m
Thanks. It's hard to draw any definite conclusions from the figures, because you have to remember that people will be turning on in anticipation of the next programme, turning off after a programme has finished, as well as just plain confused about what the hell is going on with the schedules.

My interpretation is that the half million tuning in between 1840 and 1850 were almost certainly expecting to see the start of Who. A proportion of the next half million (maybe half of them) were the same, and the subsequent drop at 1900 is a good chunk of those people deciding they'll watch it another time or skip it because they've missed too much.
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:23
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Although it should help the final (non-overnights) figures, especially as more people will have Sky+'d it like yourself.
True. I was going to say the same thing, but it was a slight distraction from my main complaint.

Also a fair amount of people still don't have 'intelligent' PVRs and may end up recording from 6.45 anyway. What does BARB do with those?

Interestingly off-topic, I originally typed "Sky+'d" but decided to change it in anticipation of grammar nazis like myself!
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:30
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It's worth noting that the Dalek two part-er and Blink had viewing had final BARB ratings of less than 7 million last year, so I don't think it's anything to worry about especially, even if there is an element of frustration at the scheduling.
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:45
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It's worth noting that the Dalek two part-er and Blink had viewing had final BARB ratings of less than 7 million last year, so I don't think it's anything to worry about especially, even if there is an element of frustration at the scheduling.
You're right. I don't think it's anything to panic about. But I think the frustration is justified.

I don't mind the ratings dipping because it's a wonderful warm sunny day and people want to stay out and enjoy it.

I don't mind if they rise or fall due to one-off specials like a big football match leading up to it, or the final of "Britain's Got Talent" showing opposite.

But I find it unbelievable that the show can just be shuffled around willy-nilly like this. I remember when I was young they used to show cartoons and similar fluff after Grandstand, and if the sport went on for longer than usual one week they would cut the filler. That would mean the evening's programmes didn't need to be moved. I don't understand why it's beyond the schedulers' wits to make similar allowances to protect their biggest programmes (and I'll include IDA in that description) against lost audience.

Just think about it. If a million people didn't buy your premium product because you sold it in different shops each week and they couldn't be bothered to go looking for it (and why should they?) then isn't that going to do harm to your business? Does it make any sense to operate like that?
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Old 20-04-2008, 11:54
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You're right. I don't think it's anything to panic about. But I think the frustration is justified.

I don't mind the ratings dipping because it's a wonderful warm sunny day and people want to stay out and enjoy it.

I don't mind if they rise or fall due to one-off specials like a big football match leading up to it, or the final of "Britain's Got Talent" showing opposite.

But I find it unbelievable that the show can just be shuffled around willy-nilly like this. I remember when I was young they used to show cartoons and similar fluff after Grandstand, and if the sport went on for longer than usual one week they would cut the filler. That would mean the evening's programmes didn't need to be moved. I don't understand why it's beyond the schedulers' wits to make similar allowances to protect their biggest programmes (and I'll include IDA in that description) against lost audience.

Just think about it. If a million people didn't buy your premium product because you sold it in different shops each week and they couldn't be bothered to go looking for it (and why should they?) then isn't that going to do harm to your business? Does it make any sense to operate like that?
I wasn't saying I didn't share some of the frustration, just saying that historically the viewing figures for Doctor Who have varied considerably for a range of reasons. I think the scheduling may be part of it, but there may be other factors too.

For example, last year after the first two or three episodes, the figures did dip somewhat and didn't reach the 8 million mark again until the series finale.
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Old 20-04-2008, 12:08
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Thanks. It's hard to draw any definite conclusions from the figures, because you have to remember that people will be turning on in anticipation of the next programme, turning off after a programme has finished, as well as just plain confused about what the hell is going on with the schedules.

My interpretation is that the half million tuning in between 1840 and 1850 were almost certainly expecting to see the start of Who. A proportion of the next half million (maybe half of them) were the same, and the subsequent drop at 1900 is a good chunk of those people deciding they'll watch it another time or skip it because they've missed too much.
I would say the increase is probably due to Harry Hill finishing on the other side.
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