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Kal_El
25-04-2010
Really pleased to see it continue to do well in the ratings. It's well deserved imho. Also interesting about the HD ratings being up for Who. I wonder if the new Doctor Who could motivate a further shift to HD in the long run. I don't have HD at all, but I'm certainly interested in seeing this series in HD now, and when I can afford it I'll buy a set.
Jules 1
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I do. Since the advent of iPlayer, the "tail" viewing has become more and more significant - with, for example, series-catchup shows like DW meaning that more viewers are "captured" beyond the one-week window of the BARB system. So, in theory, more viewers are being added to the total.

However, by the same token, overnight figures are now lower, generally, than in previous years so perhaps the "real viewing" profile has just changed.

As long as we compare "like-with-like" (which I agree is difficult given the change in BARB panel and methodology this year), we should be OK.

K”

I also think there is an additional advantage of the I Player, in the past, you not only have missed a Doctor Who episode, then you might not watch to the end of the series (not all people are dedicated as we are )

But this is now far less likely, and this should have a knock on effect of more consistent ratings.
SpringheelJack
25-04-2010
Once we've seen the timeshift for Victory of the Daleks tomorrow, we should have a rough idea of the average amount later viewings we can add to the overnights. I know it was an extra 1.7m for The Beast Below, what was it again for The Eleventh Hour please?
jimbo_bob
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by SpringheelJack:
“Once we've seen the timeshift for Victory of the Daleks tomorrow, we should have a rough idea of the average amount later viewings we can add to the overnights. I know it was an extra 1.7m for The Beast Below, what was it again for The Eleventh Hour please?”

I believe the time shift figures for The Eleventh Hour was 2.09 million - not too shabby
Alrightmate
25-04-2010
I am a bit concerned at the early start and it potentially affecting the ratings later on in the series though.

Anybody know if there are any plans to shift it forward to around 7pm later on?
SpringheelJack
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by jimbo_bob:
“I believe the time shift figures for The Eleventh Hour was 2.09 million - not too shabby ”

So it's possible that with a bit of Dalek hype, ViOTD might come somewhere between the two. Just a guess, we'll know soon enough...
Muttley76
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I am a bit concerned at the early start and it potentially affecting the ratings later on in the series though.

Anybody know if there are any plans to shift it forward to around 7pm later on?”

The idea that the time slot is or may effect the ratings is a total red herring. People who can work with data far better than me on GB have established fairly conclusively that there is zero difference in ratings average if the show starts before or after 7pm. Not a single percentage point.

As I already said early: this is not a new thing for the show. One single series had regular 7pm start times and it seems to have become some sort of myth that the series has until recently had a 7pm slot. It just isn't the case.

In series 4, RTD did express some concerns over the series starting at 6.15pm but later retracted his concerns when the ratings came in.

It may well be that some would prefer for it to start at/after 7pm, but it seriously is not a ratings issue at all.

I think what people forget is the BBC have more to worry about than one show. You have to look at things in context here. People calling for a 7pm start would be saying that OTR should start at 5.30pm or 7.45pm (clashing with BGT for most of it's run), now we might not care about OTR but the BBC do and that simply would not work. Then there is the fact that contractually MOTD has to start at 10.30pm. The BBC will want to get the maximum ratings for the evening. They have more faith in this show than fans often do when it comes down to it.

They have supported this show terrifically overall since it's relaunch, especially this series with more promotion than ever before. Sure the farce with the ending yesterday was a bad move but the suggestions in this thread that they don't value the show because they don't cater to the whims of fan boys and girls who think there show should start at 7pm is ludicrous.

OTR and MOTD will be finished in a few weeks, with them gone it may be possible to move the show later in the evening. But it won't make any difference to viewing figures. They will raise or fall in accordance with how much the show grabs the public affection.

Last nights ratings were great and all people are doing is complaining still.....it's really frustrating!
JohnFlawbod
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“The idea that the time slot is or may effect the ratings is a total red herring. People who can work with data far better than me on GB have established fairly conclusively that there is zero difference in ratings average if the show starts before or after 7pm. Not a single percentage point.

As I already said early: this is not a new thing for the show. One single series had regular 7pm start times and it seems to have become some sort of myth that the series has until recently had a 7pm slot. It just isn't the case.

In series 4, RTD did express some concerns over the series starting at 6.15pm but later retracted his concerns when the ratings came in.

It may well be that some would prefer for it to start at/after 7pm, but it seriously is not a ratings issue at all.

I think what people forget is the BBC have more to worry about than one show. You have to look at things in context here. People calling for a 7pm start would be saying that OTR should start at 5.30pm or 7.45pm (clashing with BGT for most of it's run), now we might not care about OTR but the BBC do and that simply would not work. Then there is the fact that contractually MOTD has to start at 10.30pm. The BBC will want to get the maximum ratings for the evening. They have more faith in this show than fans often do when it comes down to it.

They have supported this show terrifically overall since it's relaunch, especially this series with more promotion than ever before. Sure the farce with the ending yesterday was a bad move but the suggestions in this thread that they don't value the show because they don't cater to the whims of fan boys and girls who think there show should start at 7pm is ludicrous.

OTR and MOTD will be finished in a few weeks, with them gone it may be possible to move the show later in the evening. But it won't make any difference to viewing figures. They will raise or fall in accordance with how much the show grabs the public affection.

Last nights ratings were great and all people are doing is complaining still.....it's really frustrating!”

Factual Post of the Day
jimbo_bob
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“The idea that the time slot is or may effect the ratings is a total red herring. People who can work with data far better than me on GB have established fairly conclusively that there is zero difference in ratings average if the show starts before or after 7pm. Not a single percentage point.

As I already said early: this is not a new thing for the show. One single series had regular 7pm start times and it seems to have become some sort of myth that the series has until recently had a 7pm slot. It just isn't the case.

In series 4, RTD did express some concerns over the series starting at 6.15pm but later retracted his concerns when the ratings came in.

It may well be that some would prefer for it to start at/after 7pm, but it seriously is not a ratings issue at all.

I think what people forget is the BBC have more to worry about than one show. You have to look at things in context here. People calling for a 7pm start would be saying that OTR should start at 5.30pm or 7.45pm (clashing with BGT for most of it's run), now we might not care about OTR but the BBC do and that simply would not work. Then there is the fact that contractually MOTD has to start at 10.30pm. The BBC will want to get the maximum ratings for the evening. They have more faith in this show than fans often do when it comes down to it.

They have supported this show terrifically overall since it's relaunch, especially this series with more promotion than ever before. Sure the farce with the ending yesterday was a bad move but the suggestions in this thread that they don't value the show because they don't cater to the whims of fan boys and girls who think there show should start at 7pm is ludicrous.

OTR and MOTD will be finished in a few weeks, with them gone it may be possible to move the show later in the evening. But it won't make any difference to viewing figures. They will raise or fall in accordance with how much the show grabs the public affection.

Last nights ratings were great and all people are doing is complaining still.....it's really frustrating!”

Great post. you should come here more often...
Alrightmate
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“The idea that the time slot is or may effect the ratings is a total red herring. People who can work with data far better than me on GB have established fairly conclusively that there is zero difference in ratings average if the show starts before or after 7pm. Not a single percentage point.

As I already said early: this is not a new thing for the show. One single series had regular 7pm start times and it seems to have become some sort of myth that the series has until recently had a 7pm slot. It just isn't the case.

In series 4, RTD did express some concerns over the series starting at 6.15pm but later retracted his concerns when the ratings came in.

It may well be that some would prefer for it to start at/after 7pm, but it seriously is not a ratings issue at all.

I think what people forget is the BBC have more to worry about than one show. You have to look at things in context here. People calling for a 7pm start would be saying that OTR should start at 5.30pm or 7.45pm (clashing with BGT for most of it's run), now we might not care about OTR but the BBC do and that simply would not work. Then there is the fact that contractually MOTD has to start at 10.30pm. The BBC will want to get the maximum ratings for the evening. They have more faith in this show than fans often do when it comes down to it.

They have supported this show terrifically overall since it's relaunch, especially this series with more promotion than ever before. Sure the farce with the ending yesterday was a bad move but the suggestions in this thread that they don't value the show because they don't cater to the whims of fan boys and girls who think there show should start at 7pm is ludicrous.

OTR and MOTD will be finished in a few weeks, with them gone it may be possible to move the show later in the evening. But it won't make any difference to viewing figures. They will raise or fall in accordance with how much the show grabs the public affection.

Last nights ratings were great and all people are doing is complaining still.....it's really frustrating!”

Hang on a minute, are you talking about me?
And are you trying to imply that when I posted 'all I was doing was complaining'?

If so then I think that you've seriously got the wrong end of the stick.
Whatever I've said was meant with a supportive intent.

I don't really feel that I should be put into the position where I feel I have to defend myself, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and presume that you just misread my posts on the last couple of pages....or I just misread your post and you're talking about somebody else entirely.
Muttley76
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“ so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and presume that you just misread my posts on the last couple of pages....or I just misread your post and you're talking about somebody else entirely.”

i wasn't just referring to your post, but the constant complaining about the time slot that has dominated this thread this series (and indeed the last series) when the reality is that the time slot is not effecting the ratings. I understand for some people there is something of a kudos issue with having a 7pm slot, and thats fine, but isn't really relevant to the ratings side of things. So no my comment wasn't just in relation to you, but it's frustrating after a really positive rating to have discussion dragged back on the time slot issue again.
Alrightmate
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“i wasn't just referring to your post, but the constant complaining about the time slot that has dominated this thread this series (and indeed the last series) when the reality is that the time slot is not effecting the ratings. I understand for some people there is something of a kudos issue with having a 7pm slot, and thats fine, but isn't really relevant to the ratings side of things. So no my comment wasn't just in relation to you, but it's frustrating after a really positive rating to have discussion dragged back on the time slot issue again.”

You wasn't 'just' referring to my post???

I wasn't complaining at all. In any way. Whatsoever.

As for the ratings being affected by the time that it's shown it's only something that I picked up from here when people rightly or wrongly have been saying for years that an episode would have achieved higher ratings if it had been shown later on when the weather wasn't as lovely.

I don't know about this person that you got the stats from, but a poster called The Slug on here has a stats site where it does appear that earlier episodes in the past do appear to have done better ratings-wise the later they were broadcast, generally speaking.

Is it not true that ratings in general on any channel get higher throughout the night and then start to dip again at some point?
Do the stats not indicate this?
If not then I don't mind if I'm wrong and would be surprised to find out otherwise.

There's been posts and posts over the years on here about how it would get better ratings depending on what time it was shown...and you're going to suddenly react after my post implying it as being negative when what I said in essence was that it would be good if it could keep up the great ratings.

That's not negative. I'm happy that it's doing well. I even reminded somebody that the AIs are very high too.
In fact over the past two weeks people in general have been much more pessimistic about the show than I have been. The most negative thing I recall saying is that I think that the new Daleks are shit. Because they are.

I don't know why you should get frustrated. Not everything is based on being either a complaint or praise. Much of what's said on this forum is simply innocuous.
I think that even on this very thread I replied to somebody about the ratings for one of the shows over the last couple of weeks and asked "That's good isn't it?".
So why are you suddenly seeing things in a pessimistic way as though I was complaining and you're frustrated?

This must be the first time I've even spoke about this particular topic for literally years on here. I don't even know about what other people have been 'constantly' complaining about.
Muttley76
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I don't know about this person that you got the stats from, but a poster called The Slug on here has a stats site where it does appear that earlier episodes in the past do appear to have done better ratings-wise the later they were broadcast, generally speaking.”

As of the 11th hour:

The average overnight rating for episodes shown before 7pm (barring Christmas specials) = 7.3 million
The average overnight rating for episodes shown at 7pm or after (barring Christmas specials) = 7.3 million

Quote:
“Is it not true that ratings in general on any channel get higher throughout the night and then start to dip again at some point?
Do the stats not indicate this?
If not then I don't mind if I'm wrong and would be surprised to find out otherwise.”

In the context of the number of people watching TV at 6.15pm as opposed to 7pm? Very little difference. Take last night, between 6.15-6.30 there were 10.6 million people viewing the five terrestrial channels. Between 7-7.15pm there were 11.8 million viewers. So a million or so more viewers across five channels. And it's not as though all those million people would choose to watch DW at 7pm, it would be spread across the channels. In my view all that could be gained from a later slot is 300k - 400k or so on overnights that come off the time shift. Makes no difference to the final result at all.
JohnFlawbod
25-04-2010
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“You wasn't 'just' referring to my post???

I wasn't complaining at all. In any way. Whatsoever.

As for the ratings being affected by the time that it's shown it's only something that I picked up from here when people rightly or wrongly have been saying for years that an episode would have achieved higher ratings if it had been shown later on when the weather wasn't as lovely.

I don't know about this person that you got the stats from, but a poster called The Slug on here has a stats site where it does appear that earlier episodes in the past do appear to have done better ratings-wise the later they were broadcast, generally speaking.

Is it not true that ratings in general on any channel get higher throughout the night and then start to dip again at some point?
Do the stats not indicate this?
If not then I don't mind if I'm wrong and would be surprised to find out otherwise.

There's been posts and posts over the years on here about how it would get better ratings depending on what time it was shown...and you're going to suddenly react after my post implying it as being negative when what I said in essence was that it would be good if it could keep up the great ratings.

That's not negative. I'm happy that it's doing well. I even reminded somebody that the AIs are very high too.
In fact over the past two weeks people in general have been much more pessimistic about the show than I have been. The most negative thing I recall saying is that I think that the new Daleks are shit. Because they are.

I don't know why you should get frustrated. Not everything is based on being either a complaint or praise. Much of what's said on this forum is simply innocuous.
I think that even on this very thread I replied to somebody about the ratings for one of the shows over the last couple of weeks and asked "That's good isn't it?".
So why are you suddenly seeing things in a pessimistic way as though I was complaining and you're frustrated?

This must be the first time I've even spoke about this particular topic for literally years on here. I don't even know about what other people have been 'constantly' complaining about.”

In your opinion, surely

As for time slots - who cares quite frankly? The series is doing consistently well in 6th/5th and a half year of broadcast, and such is the BBC'S confidence in the new era that have commissioned another Christmas Special and another Series (this before Series 5 aired.) They have also commissioned two further series of SJA.

Now: aside from those younger children with parents that care about structured days who would miss DW were it broadcast at 7pm, what exactly is the problem with the timeslot? It certainly isn't a ratings issue as what are usually discussed here are the overnights and not the actual ratings or the AI percentage but even so, without the audience phenomenon that has become BGT, DW is the most watched programme of the day (weekend in fact) and is giving other Dramas a run for their money throughout the week in slots between 7pm and 10pm - last night's ratings for The Prisoner on ITV - the station haemmorhaged around 9 million viewers in the course of one advert break between 8.58 and 9.00...
Gogfumble
26-04-2010
These people that say DW will do much better at 7 when the weather is nicer. I just don't see it personally.

As the summer comes it is still light outside at 7pm and still nice and warm. If I am outside enjoying the weather at 6:15 it is likely I will still be out there at 7pm. I love Doctor Who, but give me the choice between a nice sunny pub garden (or even my back garden) and watching Doctor Who on catch up or coming in out of the nice weather and watching it as airs, I will choose to catch up.
NewbieCanuck
26-04-2010
Originally Posted by Gogfumble:
“These people that say DW will do much better at 7 when the weather is nicer. I just don't see it personally.

As the summer comes it is still light outside at 7pm and still nice and warm. If I am outside enjoying the weather at 6:15 it is likely I will still be out there at 7pm. I love Doctor Who, but give me the choice between a nice sunny pub garden (or even my back garden) and watching Doctor Who on catch up or coming in out of the nice weather and watching it as airs, I will choose to catch up.”

Even now, sunset is 8:15 in London and 8:30 in Manchester, well beyond any conceivable ending time for Doctor Who. By the end of June it will be 9:20 in London and 9:40 in Manchester.
Muttley76
26-04-2010
AI of 87 for The Time of Angels - highest of the series so far...
jimbo_bob
26-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“AI of 87 for The Time of Angels - highest of the series so far...”

and well deserved too
StrictlyRed
26-04-2010
Originally Posted by jimbo_bob:
“Apart from the fact my favourite program is millions of other peoples favourite program too, I'm really pleased for the new team who make it; especially Matt and Karen who are a great choice as the Doctor and Amy. ”

ditto.
11's Bow Tie
26-04-2010
The Beast Below has debuted in Australia to very respectable ratings. TV Tonight reports that the episode averaged 851,000 viewers in the five major capital cities, despite stiff competition from the commercial networks. Again it was the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's top-rating program of the day, rating higher than its popular Sunday 7pm news (By comparison, the mini-series Burn Up only rated 367,000 viewers for the ABC in the following 8.30pm timeslot). The corresponding Confidential Cutdown also rated a respectable 536,000 viewers in the five major capitals.
crazzyaz7
26-04-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“AI of 87 for The Time of Angels - highest of the series so far...”

Excellent....God I sound like a cyberman!!!
11's Bow Tie
26-04-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“Excellent....God I sound like a cyberman!!!”

You will be like us
yorkie100
27-04-2010
Final figures for Ep 3 are 7.82m + 0.38m HD.

So 8.2m which is very good IMO.
amos_brearley
27-04-2010
8.2 is a fantastic final figure for VotD!
DICKENS99
27-04-2010
So the announcer at the start of Time of Angels who said "last week 8 million of you watched" knew what they were talking about!
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