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No my fault... Sorry crazzyaz7
Got my sums wrong ![]() Interesting post made over at Gallifrey Base, which may be of interest. It's by a poster named 'Constellationscorpio' Here it is... It's post #567: http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showt...=52812&page=15 ...you could have got away with it!!!![]() Can I be cheeky and ask you to copy that post, as you have to sign in to view it....and I cannot remember my username or password for it as its been a long time since I went on it
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Its cool, Maths has never been my strong point, so i assumed that I had got someting wrong
...you could have got away with it!!!![]() Can I be cheeky and ask you to copy that post, as you have to sign in to view it....and I cannot remember my username or password for it as its been a long time since I went on it ![]() Quote:
Hello people!
First off so glad to see the voices of reason, knowledge and experience trying to quell some of the more..er...outlandish 'goings on' in here over the weekend. FWIW, I think I can add a little. I've just had a call from a mate who works at the Beeb. He's just been in a 'Strategy Meeting' (Oh, the irony), and various items were discussed - one of which was 'Doctor Who's performance on Saturday night. A few items of note : *No one is remotely worried. Disappointed, yes (and an Email was read out from a Producer) but not 'worried'. *There was actually much admiration that DW managed to hold on to an over 30% share. *The 'lead ins' for "DW' this year have actually been much more discussed than the time slot. Only 2 people would seem to be happy with the current lead (Jr Apprentice) and there is to be much future discussion about next year. * Time Slot - everyone (Though, I'm not sure if this includes the production team) is more than happy with the start time(s). It's doing brilliantly. Official! *Ratings for this series in general...basically, Management are getting a programme just after 6pm which is getting more than other, (more expensive) programmes in a more 'prime location'. Conclusion: "DW' is surpassing it's remit. *HOWEVER, this year has been a problem for the schedulers. People are now bemoaning the fact that the option of 'splitting' the seres wasn't taken up...yes, it would appear this was an option which was at least discussed at Management level if not with the production team officially (though it would seem to have had to be 'cut' after 'Vampires' which would not have been an ideal place to d it - though maybe 'Amy's Choice' could be seen as logical 'pick up' point too...) *There have been contingencies discussed for episodes 10 (not taken up), 11 and the finale...though it would seem they're just going to be rolled out on Saturday nights as usual. And fair play to them. The Beeb HAVE to show something, so why not something that does rather well anyway and has a huge life outside of it's officially allocated time-slot..? *Next year should (and very probably WILL) be a completely different ball game, the schedules will be much more free of certain demands and contractual obligations So, the official word is - "Business as Usual, we're Happy." Yes, I would like DW to get more than 4.5million....but it will. Overnights are almost not being discussed now. The viewing landscape has changed beyond what could possibly have been imagined even 5 years ago. It really would seem some elements of 'Fandom' need to change their mindset to catch up. (One last thing - one 'wit' at the meeting apparently mentioned that 'DW' was now in the Merlin realm as far as the reality of ratings go...though only for a week!) |
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Probably not quite applicable to Doctor Who though. The overnights give the first hint, the final figures throw in the timeshifters and the AI tells them how much it was enjoyed (as opposed to simple goggled at).
Doctor Who famously has an unusual mixture of casual family viewers (they're "fans" but not in the discuss-show-on-forums-watch-the-black-and-white-episodes way) and the kind of cult fans that spend a load of boxsets. For shows like Family Guy (am I right in thinking this is one bought back due to dvd sales?) there isn't so much of a large-but-casual viewership. People who like it REALLY like it. American TV perhaps don't do the Appreciation Index thing. If they did they wouldn't have had to wait for dvd sales to work it out maybe. My pet hate are tabloids that say a series is failing based on viewing figures and it was a generalisation rather than just Dr Who. I still feel Ratings need to adapt, and media need to move way slightly from viewing figurers. Surely we have all seen the remarks "house drops 1.4m viewers" and "heroes drops to all time lows" and I am betting none took fandom and dvd sales and recording into consideration So I totally agree with your remarks and hopefully people see mine as the scare mongering / shock things need to be "toned down" as it were |
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*************** S1* *S2* *S3* *S4* *S5*
episode 1 10.81: 8.62: 8.71 : 9.14:10.08 episode 2 7.97: 9.24: 7.23 : 9.04 : 8.42 episode 3 8.86: 8.31: 8.41 : 7.50: 7.82 episode 4 7.63: 7.90 : 6.69 : 7.06 : 8.59 episode 5 7.98: 9.22: 6.96 : 6.53 : 8.50 episode 6 8.63: 7.64:7.19 : 7.33 : 7.68 episode 7 8.01: 6.76: 7.41 : 8.41 : 7.55 episode 8 8.06: 6.32: 7.74: 6.27 episode 9 7.11: 6.08: 7.21 : 7.84 episode 10 6.86: 6.66: 6.62: 8.05 episode 11 7.68: 7.14: 7.84: 8.09 episode 12 6.81: 8.19: 7.31: 8.78 episode 13 6.91: 8.22: 8.62:10.57 Average--- 7.95: 7.71: 7.55: 8.05 Series 5 has the: second highest ratings for a series opener. third highest ratings for the second episode of a series. fourth highest ratings for the third episode of a series highest ratings for the fourth episode of a series second highest rating for the fifth episode of a series second highest rating for the sixth episode of a series third highest rating for the seventh episode of a series Notes: 1.series 5 figures include simultaneous HD viewing figures 2. series 5 episode 3 did not have a simultaneous HD showing. It did however get 0.38m viewers later in the evening. Total audience for that day was 8.2 million |
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Here you go... Thanks goes to 'Constellationscorpio' Who posted this today on 'Gallifrey Base'
That is really good to know that the big wigs are still very much happy with the way the show is doing!!! |
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I thought Iplayer was counted in the "people who watch it after broadcast" figures.
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I'm sure I read it wasn't. Could be wrong, though. Somebody send for Muttley...
Speaking of which, I promised a couple of weeks ago some data on the total reach of the series so far. Total reach = final ratings + first week repeats + iplayer Up to episode 5: The Eleventh Hour - 13.23 The Beast Below - 11.25 Victory of the Daleks - 10.35 The Time of Angels - 10.88 Flesh and Stone - 10.63 The data on the other episodes isn't complete enough yet, and even the above will continue to be revised upwards since they are still available on Iplayer In comparison to series 4, as per request: Partners in Crime - 11.78 Fires of Pompii - 11.02 Planet of the Ood - 9.88 Sontaran Stratagem - 8.97 Poison Sky - 8.61 Series 4 pretty much left for dust in terms of total reach, which I think reflects more the changing dynamics in tv viewing over the past couple of years. As has been said before, overnights are becoming a bit on the unreliable side. I think while we can use them as a rough guide, thats all they should be seen as. I think the day will come when they will have to restructure the way ratings are measured, because due to it's immediacy overnights seem to now have an undue importance placed on them be the broadcast media even at this point, imagine a couple more years down the line..... |
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Honestly, I'm not at all worried about the overnights - the final figure will be very good.
Also, 5m viewers in 1988/89 was a very different matter. Cable/SKY TV really hadn't taken off at all and we only had FOUR channels to choose from. |
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I player only is added in through virgin media + which you view via the tv, not from the BBC site. The latter is included only in the unofficial total reach for the episodes, that are still used as a tool within broadcasting to gague the total audience a programme reaches.
Speaking of which, I promised a couple of weeks ago some data on the total reach of the series so far. Total reach = final ratings + first week repeats + iplayer Up to episode 5: The Eleventh Hour - 13.23 The Beast Below - 11.25 Victory of the Daleks - 10.35 The Time of Angels - 10.88 Flesh and Stone - 10.63 The data on the other episodes isn't complete enough yet, and even the above will continue to be revised upwards since they are still available on Iplayer In comparison to series 4, as per request: Partners in Crime - 11.78 Fires of Pompii - 11.02 Planet of the Ood - 9.88 Sontaran Stratagem - 8.97 Poison Sky - 8.61 Series 4 pretty much left for dust in terms of total reach, which I think reflects more the changing dynamics in tv viewing over the past couple of years. As has been said before, overnights are becoming a bit on the unreliable side. I think while we can use them as a rough guide, thats all they should be seen as. I think the day will come when they will have to restructure the way ratings are measured, because due to it's immediacy overnights seem to now have an undue importance placed on them be the broadcast media even at this point, imagine a couple more years down the line..... Definitely been an increase in more people watching thinsg On Iplayer for the first time....I haven't yet done that with Doctor Who, only repeat vieweings....but most other programmes...like currently ashes to ashes...I tend to watch on Iplayer (except the finale) Quote:
Honestly, I'm not at all worried about the overnights - the final figure will be very good.
Also, 5m viewers in 1988/89 was a very different matter. Cable/SKY TV really hadn't taken off at all and we only had FOUR channels to choose from. but as it stands, its doing well or even better than the last five years!!
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I player only is added in through virgin media + which you view via the tv, not from the BBC site. ...
I watched it on iplayer via my box yesterday, but I only have a standard VM box, not the +. Are they included too? |
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BBC Worldwide - Record Profits http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.co...d-profits.htmlDoctor Who is now sold to more than 50 territories, has sold over 3.3 million DVD's and in 2009 sold more than 7 million action figures. The above should also be taken into account by all of those who are worried by the overnights.
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So are the iplayer ratings from virgin media only included if you watch via VM+?
I watched it on iplayer via my box yesterday, but I only have a standard VM box, not the +. Are they included too? |
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wow impressive figures!!!
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http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.co...d-profits.html
The above should also be taken into account by all of those who are worried by the overnights. ![]() Were does all the cash go? Some of it back to funding Doctor Who maybe? |
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What is Constellationscorpio referring to when they say this: Quote:
*Ratings for this series in general...basically, Management are getting a programme just after 6pm which is getting more than other, (more expensive) programmes in a more 'prime location'. Conclusion: "DW' is surpassing it's remit.
Which shows are more expensive than Doctor Who and aired in a later slot? I'd have thought that Doctor Who was one of the more expensive shows aired due to the CGI involved. I can't think of many programmes in a later slot with that amount of CGI or expense on any channel. ![]() I bet people'll come up with a list now.
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i'm not an expert in virgin media, do all vM boxes have iplayer on them? If so then yes, they will be included...but only in terms of BARB members like the other data.
As I said, I have the standard virgin box and can get iplayer, so it isn't just the + boxes that have this feature. I am not a BARB member though, so really, however I watch it doesn't matter, does it? I don't know much about BARB I always thought that viewing figures were based on everyone who was watching TV at the time. Not just the ones who were a member of BARB. Surely if it is only BARB members viewings that are taken into account, the actual viewing figured could be a whole lot more than what they are? Can anyone become a member? |
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http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.co...d-profits.html
The above should also be taken into account by all of those who are worried by the overnights. ![]()
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I get you.
As I said, I have the standard virgin box and can get iplayer, so it isn't just the + boxes that have this feature. I am not a BARB member though, so really, however I watch it doesn't matter, does it? I don't know much about BARB I always thought that viewing figures were based on everyone who was watching TV at the time. Not just the ones who were a member of BARB. Surely if it is only BARB members viewings that are taken into account, the actual viewing figured could be a whole lot more than what they are? Can anyone become a member? ![]() BARB use a statistically representative sample of between 10 - 15,000 and record what members of the household watch and when through the use of a separate electronic device. |
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it would be rather "big brother" like to monitor the viewing habits of the nation in that way wouldn't it?
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For comparision I have averaged the ratings of episodes in series 1-4 against series 5 episodes.
Ep/S1-4 avg/S5 1/ 9.32m/ 10.08m 2/ 8.37m/ 8.42m 3/ 8.27m/ 7.82m 4/ 7.32m/ 8.59m 5/ 7.67m/ 8.50m 6/ 7.70m/ 7.68m 7/ 7.65m/ 7.55m So the first ep and the Angels 2 parter well up while the rest are pretty close and only ep3 being down by much. Also the average episode rating so far this year is 8.38m which is well up on all series so far - obviously going to be down a bit after last week though. |
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For comparision I have averaged the ratings of episodes in series 1-4 against series 5 episodes.
Ep/S1-4 avg/S5 1/ 9.32m/ 10.08m 2/ 8.37m/ 8.42m 3/ 8.27m/ 7.82m 4/ 7.32m/ 8.59m 5/ 7.67m/ 8.50m 6/ 7.70m/ 7.68m 7/ 7.65m/ 7.55m So the first ep and the Angels 2 parter well up while the rest are pretty close and only ep3 being down by much. Also the average episode rating so far this year is 8.38m which is well up on all series so far - obviously going to be down a bit after last week though. |
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iPlayer stats out for April:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...April_2010.pdf Top4: 1 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 1 1,649,000 2 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 2 1,354,000 3 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 3 1,124,000 4 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 4 1,082,000 Note: I think the "drop off" isn't anything to worry about, as the episodes were available for different periods (ie Ep1 was up for about 4 weeks, while Ep4 waas only up for about one week) K |
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iPlayer stats out for April:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...April_2010.pdf Top4: 1 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 1 1,649,000 2 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 2 1,354,000 3 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 3 1,124,000 4 Doctor Who Series 5 Episode 4 1,082,000 K that is excellent.....this is the first series we have had that has had episodes remain for longer than a week...and it shows how people are taking the opportunity to watch it.......viewing habits have definitely changed.... |
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Very hopeful this week - crap bank holiday weather, a later time slot and the second part of a cracking good story!
Last week was a blip - its not as if we had a sharp decline leading up to it. |
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Very hopeful this week - crap bank holiday weather, a later time slot and the second part of a cracking good story!
Last week was a blip - its not as if we had a sharp decline leading up to it.
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Very hopeful this week - crap bank holiday weather, a later time slot and the second part of a cracking good story!
Last week was a blip - its not as if we had a sharp decline leading up to it. ![]() But yeah, if we can hold the same share as last week, I'd imagine a lot more people were at home, especially with a bog night of tv ahead. |
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