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I wonder how many DW/tennis fans stayed with the live match - it could translate to the biggest timeshift yet!
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I wonder how many DW/tennis fans stayed with the live match - it could translate to the biggest timeshift yet!
K Just to note in addition to the above, Doctor Who was 2nd for the day (slightly behind the football) and the highest rated BBC show for the day. I think it is a shame for the show it didn't have a better cushion for it....had the football been on the BBC, which it would had England played, then I think it would have gotten a million more on overnights. Such is life though.... Interestingly, I saw that The Lodger had gotten 1.5 million views on Iplayer in just one week! |
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I loathe sports, but looking at it objectively, with the Doctor Who finale, the football, Wimbledon, Formula 1 and the Glastonbury festival all being screened at various points yesterday, the ratings are going to be interesting this week, I think...
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I guess this is the future where iplayer may soon get more ratings than TV.
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I guess this is the future where iplayer may soon get more ratings than TV.
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Another excellent AI of 89 for The Big Bang.
Doctor Who Confidential received an AI of 86. |
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Another excellent AI of 89 for The Big Bang.
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5.1m overnights compared to what was it again for Journey's End? Hardly event television anymore. Expect even less for Series 6 if the show continues the way it's going.
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I loathe sports, but looking at it objectively, with the Doctor Who finale, the football, Wimbledon, Formula 1 and the Glastonbury festival all being screened at various points yesterday, the ratings are going to be interesting this week, I think...
Given all that, Dr Who did well to get the ratings it did. I know I didn't watch it "live" - I was enjoying the sun in the local pub beer garden then watched it on V+ when I got home. |
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5.1m overnights compared to what was it again for Journey's End? Hardly event television anymore. Expect even less for Series 6 if the show continues the way it's going.
Still holding its audience share even if the general overnights are down, which they are across the board, not just for Who...
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5.1m overnights compared to what was it again for Journey's End? Hardly event television anymore. Expect even less for Series 6 if the show continues the way it's going.
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So is the suggestion that The Big Bang will garnish enough timeshift viewings to take it up to the 8 Million of Doomsday, the 8.6 Million of Last Of The Timelords or gain another 5 million Iplayer/BBC3 repeat viewing to get up to Journey's End's Figures?
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5.1m overnights compared to what was it again for Journey's End? Hardly event television anymore. Expect even less for Series 6 if the show continues the way it's going.
People that think it's in trouble are, frankly, idiots especially considering the wealth of information in this thread that's been clearly researched and explained a dozen times over. |
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5.1m overnights compared to what was it again for Journey's End? Hardly event television anymore. Expect even less for Series 6 if the show continues the way it's going.
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So is the suggestion that The Big Bang will garnish enough timeshift viewings to take it up to the 8 Million of Doomsday, the 8.6 Million of Last Of The Timelords or gain another 5 million Iplayer/BBC3 repeat viewing to get up to Journey's End's Figures?
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I can only assume that those concerned about DW's diminishing overnights are also worried about every single other programme on television at the moment?! The way things are going, we'll have a blank screen on all year around!
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I can only assume that those concerned about DW's diminishing overnights are also worried about every single other programme on television at the moment?! The way things are going, we'll have a blank screen on all year around!
![]() Of the other shows that consistently pull in the kind of audiences DW was previously known for - the soaps, BGT, TXF - none of them have lost the 'appointment to view' factor that DW suddenly has. Yes, sure, they may have haemorrhaged some viewers - but not because everyone has decided to record them to watch at their leisure. Viewing figures are dropping generally in the face of a growing number of channels plus general changes in leisure activity. And the soaps frequently ebb and flow in the ratings according to storylines. What has happened with DW this year is different, however, and isn't happening with other mainstream shows. I'm not predicting doom and gloom here. But I do think there are valid questions to be raised about why DW has suddenly stopped being 'event television' that people would want to watch as it goes out live ... |
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Sorry, but that's not entirely true.
Of the other shows that consistently pull in the kind of audiences DW was previously known for - the soaps, BGT, TXF - none of them have lost the 'appointment to view' factor that DW suddenly has. Yes, sure, they may have haemorrhaged some viewers - but not because everyone has decided to record them to watch at their leisure. Viewing figures are dropping generally in the face of a growing number of channels plus general changes in leisure activity. And the soaps frequently ebb and flow in the ratings according to storylines. What has happened with DW this year is different, however, and isn't happening with other mainstream shows. I'm not predicting doom and gloom here. But I do think there are valid questions to be raised about why DW has suddenly stopped being 'event television' that people would want to watch as it goes out live ... |
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Possibly because they actually record it knowing they'll keep the recording, where few would bother to do that with the soaps, which are also not later released on DVD? Or maybe because Sci-Fi fans tend to be more technology orientated and are therefore possibly more aware of the various alternative methods of viewing?
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It has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread and elsewhere that the overnight figures are no longer that important. Even DWM takes pains to point this out in an article on ratings in the latest issue. Why are you having such a hard time grasping the concept?
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Final ratings for The Pandoric Opens seem to have been delayed, however the final ratings for HD are available and reveal that for one week at least, The Pandoric Opens has the record audience figures for BBC HD at 635,000.
Meanwhile a series high AI of 89 for The Big Bang is the highest AI of the series and one of the highest AI's the show has ever received. So much for the wider audience not being able to follow it. As for the above arguments over ratings, I am not going to waste my time here explaining what has been explained to many times to count again, but the fact is the show is doing just fine this series - it's had record breaking time shifts and I player views and those that want to pretend we still live in the 1970's, back when people had no other means of watching tv shows than on the day it airs need to broaden their thinking somewhat. Final ratings to date: *************** S1* *S2* *S3* *S4* *S5* episode 1 10.81: 8.62: 8.71 : 9.14:10.08 episode 2 7.97: 9.24: 7.23 : 9.04 : 8.42 episode 3 8.86: 8.31: 8.41 : 7.50: 7.82 episode 4 7.63: 7.90 : 6.69 : 7.06 : 8.59 episode 5 7.98: 9.22: 6.96 : 6.53 : 8.50 episode 6 8.63: 7.64: 7.19 : 7.33 : 7.68 episode 7 8.01: 6.76: 7.41 : 8.41 : 7.55 episode 8 8.06: 6.32: 7.74: 6.27 : 6.49 episode 9 7.11: 6.08: 7.21 : 7.84: 7.49 episode 10 6.86: 6.66: 6.62: 8.05: 6:76 episode 11 7.68: 7.14: 7.84: 8.09: 6.44 episode 12 6.81: 8.19: 7.31: 8.78 episode 13 6.91: 8.22: 8.62:10.57 Average--- 7.95: 7.71: 7.55: 8.05 Series 5 has the: second highest ratings for a series opener. third highest ratings for the second episode of a series. fourth highest ratings for the third episode of a series highest ratings for the fourth episode of a series second highest rating for the fifth episode of a series second highest rating for the sixth episode of a series third highest rating for the seventh episode of a series third highest rating for the eighth episode of a series second highest rating for the ninth episode of a series third highest rating for the tenth episode of a series lowest ratings for the eleventh episode of a series Notes: 1.series 5 figures include simultaneous HD viewing figures 2. series 5 episode 3 did not have a simultaneous HD showing. It did however get 0.38m viewers later in the evening. Total audience for that day was 8.2 million This data shows that week on week the show is competing well with past series. The only week it has the lowest ratings for an equivalent episode during the week was when it was up against the England world cup game, and anyone that thinks the same wouldn't have been true if this had occurred in a past series really need their heads examining. |
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No, you have misunderstood my post. I'm well aware of time shifts. But for a season finale to only get 5.1m on first viewing does not make it event television. (People also hark on about iPlayer, but how many of those viewings are unique and how many are repeat viewings?)
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In regards to iplayer, BARB are actually looking to trial using those in final ratings at some point in the future so we may well soon find out how high the repeat view number is.
My hunch is not as high as some think. After all, data has found that the number of repeat viewers for a tv show is actually only around 5% iirc and I doubt that it is much higher for iplayer. But anyway, it's something of a moot point since the final ratings don't include iplayer views. They are useful to use when comparing the total reach of a series providing one realises that certain caveats apply to them though. And it can't be denied that Doctor Who is the top viewed i player show by miles. The BBC is different to the commercial channels in that they are more concerned about the wider picture than over nights, it is why they go out of their way to promote and invest in so many ways for people to watch programmes. |
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Muttley76 those that want to pretend we still live in the 1970's, back when people had no other means of watching TV shows than on the day it airs need to broaden their thinking somewhat. Can you tell me if the iplayer, home devices to record TV shows and the sunshine were around during series 4? Is that the explanation for a MASSIVE drop off in this series finale, finales that over the last 4 series have seen increased viewers? (even with the iplayer, TV recording devices and the sunshine, growing in popularity as well) are we saying that all of a sudden in time for this finale between 4-5 million viewers have suddenly discovered TV recording devices and the iplayer? Really Hasn't Doctor Who always been one of if not the most popular shows on the iplayer since it's launch? This isn't suddenly a new thing for series 5, It has nothing to do with being stuck in the 70's. Unfortunately for a Doctor Who finale 5 odd million 'live' is a shocking figure, there is no dressing that up, tv viewing styles have not changed THAT much in the last year or two. I'm just as peeved as the nextguy for the viewing figures, but come on 5.6 (?) million for Doctor Who finale is not good, a mid series slump then its OK but for a finale, with a series arc pay off? Im not bothered about the rest of the series, if they get more or less, Im talking about the finale. |
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Actually, I think you'll find that they have changed quite substantially in the last couple of years. It's something that's been happening over the last five years or so, but has increased quite dramatically, thanks to much more promotion of Freeview+ (and V+ too). Sky's throwing their recorder at everyone who'll have it too.
There are plenty more recorders around now, than there used to be; back when I started Toppy.org.uk in 2005, it was very much a minority thing, but it's become much more mainstream in the last couple of years (and that's also the perception I get from the magazines for which I write). Those who use sites like this may imagine everyone else is as up to speed as they are with new technology, but that's not the case at all, on the whole, and many people have relatively recently come to hard disk recorders and their ease of timeshifting. That's accelerated, I think, as switchover has begun and people have had to replace old VCR, then realised how simple it is to point and click in an EPG. Meanwhile, on the interactive side, again the better broadband links that are available in many parts of the country are an improvement over a couple of years ago. iPlayer is more widely available, on more alternative platforms than the PC, and built in to some TV sets or media players, making it much less of a thing you do in the spare room with the PC, and much more of a living room experience. In July 09 there were 87 million requests to iPlayer, compared to 130 million this May. That's a 49% increase in just under one year. Stripping out things by platforms, in January 09 there were 30.8 million requests for TV programmes, rising to 77 million in May 10, which is a 150% increase. So, yes, those things were around at the end of series 4. No one's pretending that they weren't. But there really have been significant shifts and increased uptake of those technologies in the last two years. |
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