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Old 28-04-2008, 09:56
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Of course they won't be concerned. They'll look at the increased timeshifts, the increased BBC Three figures, the massive iPlayer downloads/streams and decent shares, and be very happy both with the weekly reach and the fact that the show is getting ratings at 6.20 pm on a Saturday that primetime weekday dramas struggle to get.
Yes, all very true, and all very understandable (especially with the increasing fragmentation of viewing habits caused by more channels, more things to do and more ways to timeshift).
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Old 28-04-2008, 10:58
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So do you record it, catch the Sunday BBC3 repeat, catch the Friday BBC3 repeat, catch it on iPlayer, catch it on Virgin's CatchUp service, on Sky's service?
i try to catch the BBC3 repeat, but i really do miss watching it as a family on saturday evening. It is event TV for my family to sit round together. just not possible at 6.20.
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Old 28-04-2008, 10:59
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i try to catch the BBC3 repeat, but i really do miss watching it as a family on saturday evening. It is event TV for my family to sit round together. just not possible at 6.20.
Record it at 6.20, watch it on chase-play at 7.00 perhaps *assuming that you have a PVR or similar)

But whatever options are chosen, it just demonstrates the increasing fragmentation of viewing opportunities allied to the growth and evolution of technology.
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Old 28-04-2008, 11:04
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Record it at 6.20, watch it on chase-play at 7.00 perhaps *assuming that you have a PVR or similar)

But whatever options are chosen, it just demonstrates the increasing fragmentation of viewing opportunities allied to the growth and evolution of technology.
yeah totally, i miss being able to watch it as a family at the 7.00 time slot. such a shame as it was brill watching it all together. sorry i have no idea what a PVR is. we have digibox.
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Old 28-04-2008, 11:14
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PVR - personal video recorder. Basically a digibox (or similar) with a hard disc inside it allowing programmes to be recorded to that hard disk and watched when you want. The hard disk can store maybe 80 to 160 hours of recording (depending upon capacity). They also have the ability to chase-play - you can start watching a programme before it has finished recording. Others can record two programmes at the same time whilst you watch a third (subject to certain limitations).

Once you have used one, your viewing will never be the same again.
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Old 28-04-2008, 11:17
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PVR - personal video recorder. Basically a digibox (or similar) with a hard disc inside it allowing programmes to be recorded to that hard disk and watched when you want. The hard disk can store maybe 80 to 160 hours of recording (depending upon capacity). They also have the ability to chase-play - you can start watching a programme before it has finished recording. Others can record two programmes at the same time whilst you watch a third (subject to certain limitations).

Once you have used one, your viewing will never be the same again.
maybe one day, they sound expensive.
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Old 28-04-2008, 11:19
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You can get some relatively cheap ones for around £120.
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Old 28-04-2008, 11:23
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You can get some relatively cheap ones for around £120.
a bit expensive for me im afraid ...thanks for trying to help though.
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Old 28-04-2008, 13:10
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The lowest overnight ratings the show has had since 2005 were 5.5 million - and that episode ended up with a weekly reach figure of over 7 million. A stonking great audience for any show.
Wasn't that at the end of May rather than the end of April?

And are you seriously trying to say that if it drops again next week that the Beeb won't be concerned? And didn't I have you on ignore. Must check my filters
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Old 28-04-2008, 13:14
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And are you seriously trying to say that if it drops again next week that the Beeb won't be concerned? And didn't I have you on ignore. Must check my filters
Apart from also looking at the audience share (which is pretty important as it removes some of the variables by looking at the actual TV audience), surely it all depends - after all, they really have to consider the greater opportunities given to view each episode, and the viewing public's propensity to take advantage of those increased opportunities. One option that is available now but was not available last year is the iPlayer of course. Maybe the headline overnights are becoming less and less useful as a firm yardstick?
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Old 28-04-2008, 14:42
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I don't think there is any particular cause for alarm although another drop next week might have the BBC thinking about their scheduling techniques a little bit - especially as I'd Do Anything dosn't seem to have benefitted all that massively from the lead in.

It is right, of course, to keep things in perspective. The consolidated figures are likely to hit 7 million and the shares might be a better indicator of how its performing in its new slot. Its still higher than the comparative episode last year and factoring in repeats and the iplayer its probably fair to say up to perhaps 9 million will have seen it by the time the weeks out. Still strong ratings by any measure.
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Old 28-04-2008, 16:11
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I don't think there is any particular cause for alarm although another drop next week might have the BBC thinking about their scheduling techniques a little bit - especially as I'd Do Anything dosn't seem to have benefitted all that massively from the lead in.
Wasn't DW supposed to be returning to around 7pm or so from around Ep6/7 anyway?
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:08
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And are you seriously trying to say that if it drops again next week that the Beeb won't be concerned? And didn't I have you on ignore. Must check my filters
Yes, I'm seriously saying that. As long as the audience share is 35% and it's still top 3 most watched, then the Beeb will have absolutely no reason to be concerned about DW, more likely they'd be concerned about why no one is watching *any* programmes in high numbers.
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:13
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...... more likely they'd be concerned about why no one is watching *any* programmes in high numbers.
...... when watched "live" as opposed to timeshifted (maybe?).
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:18
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True, although ratings for all shows are down, including timeshifts as well. The soaps are all down from their heyday, thanks to a) diminishing returns and b) the sheer volume of choice on telly.
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:24
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Wasn't DW supposed to be returning to around 7pm or so from around Ep6/7 anyway?
I don't know. I hope that is the case. I'd just assumed that it would stay where it was until I'd Do Anything finished which isn't until about Episode 10. I suspect it will depend how long 1v100 is around for because surely they couldn't squeeze IDA, 1v100 and Casualty in after a 7pm Doctor Who? At least, not without Casualty starting at 9.30 or something which seemed unlikely.

Anyone know what they'll do?
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:35
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Timeshifting for Dr.Who - isnt it so apropos?
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Old 28-04-2008, 17:37
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I don't know. I hope that is the case. I'd just assumed that it would stay where it was until I'd Do Anything finished which isn't until about Episode 10. I suspect it will depend how long 1v100 is around for because surely they couldn't squeeze IDA, 1v100 and Casualty in after a 7pm Doctor Who? At least, not without Casualty starting at 9.30 or something which seemed unlikely.

Anyone know what they'll do?
There were comments in an earlier thread about the timeslot, RTD had made reference to DW returning to its more usual slot mid-series (which would make it ep 6 or 7)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=416

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=418
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Old 28-04-2008, 18:02
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radiotimes.com has DW on May 10th at 6.45pm.
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Old 28-04-2008, 22:26
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radiotimes.com has DW on May 10th at 6.45pm.
Well atleast that's a bit better than 6.20! I'd be happy at that time.
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Old 29-04-2008, 08:04
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Well atleast that's a bit better than 6.20! I'd be happy at that time.
RTD did say it would revert to its original time slot (all close to it) about mid season so hopefully that's permanent.

I think the BBC has really shown itself up with this - prioritising a cheap talent show (and they really are cheap) like 'I'd Do Anything' ahead of its most successful family drama really illustrates the BBC's priorities. Shameful!
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Old 29-04-2008, 18:29
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Network executives know an easy way to kill off a show isn't to change the timeslot but to keep changing it. Beancounters hate science-fiction, there's too much; location shooting, supporting cast changes, new sets and expensive costumes/special effects. Sure, Doctor Who rates reasonably well but not relative to cost compared with soaps and gameshows. I fear for Who's future.
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Old 29-04-2008, 18:53
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Network executives know an easy way to kill off a show isn't to change the timeslot but to keep changing it. Beancounters hate science-fiction, there's too much; location shooting, supporting cast changes, new sets and expensive costumes/special effects. Sure, Doctor Who rates reasonably well but not relative to cost compared with soaps and gameshows. I fear for Who's future.
I take it you haven't visited any toy shops recently.
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Old 29-04-2008, 18:54
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Network executives know an easy way to kill off a show isn't to change the timeslot but to keep changing it. Beancounters hate science-fiction, there's too much; location shooting, supporting cast changes, new sets and expensive costumes/special effects. Sure, Doctor Who rates reasonably well but not relative to cost compared with soaps and gameshows. I fear for Who's future.
It's one of the BBC's most popular programmes,it's very high profile (just look at the publicity, the Radio Times features, the global success), it's a success for a Saturday, it had very healthy DVD sales, healthy audio CD sales, very healthy overseas sales, plugs quite a few gaps in the schedules (with its repeat cycle), gives rise to a popular (and cheap) companion programme (DWC), provides merchandising spinoffs galore. If anything DW has always been done on a lower budget than necessary, but has still worked, and sold. Its ratings are still good, especially when compared with audience share. There is no ratings flop, no ratings dive, no ratings disaster.

It's not going anywhere.

BBC scheduling has always been a mystery, and the schedulers have always shown a distinct lack of "joined-up thinking". That's all there is to it really.
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Old 29-04-2008, 18:55
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Network executives know an easy way to kill off a show isn't to change the timeslot but to keep changing it. Beancounters hate science-fiction, there's too much; location shooting, supporting cast changes, new sets and expensive costumes/special effects. Sure, Doctor Who rates reasonably well but not relative to cost compared with soaps and gameshows. I fear for Who's future.
And those same beancounters know that Doctor Who is one of the BBC's flagship shows, massively high profile, and earns them a fortune in merchandise. It's not going anywhere.

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