I have a brother who is as much a massive Dr Who fan as I am.
Where was he on Saturday?
In Lanzarote.
Go figure...
Where was he on Saturday?
In Lanzarote.
Go figure...
Dr Who Ratings Thread (Merged)
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Originally Posted by Neu75:
“I have a brother who is as much a massive Dr Who fan as I am.
Where was he on Saturday?
In Lanzarote.
Go figure...”
“I have a brother who is as much a massive Dr Who fan as I am.
Where was he on Saturday?
In Lanzarote.
Go figure...”
Well unless he had 1.1 million other people with him I don't really see your point to be honest.....
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Well unless he had 1.1 million other people with him I don't really see your point to be honest.....”
“Well unless he had 1.1 million other people with him I don't really see your point to be honest.....”
... that even avid DW fans will miss (or PVR/Sky+/iPlayer) an episode or two in favour of a holiday?
First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy and neither is the viewing share.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.
If people want to make assumptions surely wait until there is a bit more data.. Having only 2 weeks worth of figures to predict the "Demise of the show because its complicated" is ridiculous.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.
If people want to make assumptions surely wait until there is a bit more data.. Having only 2 weeks worth of figures to predict the "Demise of the show because its complicated" is ridiculous.
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“... that even avid DW fans will miss (or PVR/Sky+/iPlayer) an episode or two in favour of a holiday?”
“... that even avid DW fans will miss (or PVR/Sky+/iPlayer) an episode or two in favour of a holiday?”
Undoubtedly, but how does that explain a 1.1 million drop for a two part season premiere?
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“... that even avid DW fans will miss (or PVR/Sky+/iPlayer) an episode or two in favour of a holiday?”
“... that even avid DW fans will miss (or PVR/Sky+/iPlayer) an episode or two in favour of a holiday?”
Extroplating from a sample of one?
Originally Posted by temperare:
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy and neither is the viewing share.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.
If people want to make assumptions surely wait until there is a bit more data.. Having only 2 weeks worth of figures to predict the "Demise of the show because its complicated" is ridiculous.”
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy and neither is the viewing share.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.
If people want to make assumptions surely wait until there is a bit more data.. Having only 2 weeks worth of figures to predict the "Demise of the show because its complicated" is ridiculous.”
But all those factors were there last week as well, they still don't explain a 1.1 million drop in overnight viewers last night.....
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Well unless he had 1.1 million other people with him I don't really see your point to be honest.....”
“Well unless he had 1.1 million other people with him I don't really see your point to be honest.....”
Well if a huge fan of the show isn't around to see it on a May bank Holiday weekend, what about your casual viewer, hum?
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“Extroplating from a sample of one?”
“Extroplating from a sample of one?”
You've probably been waiting for the series to fail since 26th March 2005, so your views aren't going to hold much water with me...
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Undoubtedly, but how does that explain a 1.1 million drop for a two part season premiere?”
“Undoubtedly, but how does that explain a 1.1 million drop for a two part season premiere?”
Dunno. Any number of reasons which, when taken together, might account for it (in other words, no one, single factor would be the cause). And a number of those reasons might be people watching at other times by other means, NOT simply switching off or not being interested.
Originally Posted by Neu75:
“Well if a huge fan of the show isn't around to see it on a May bank Holiday weekend, what about your casual viewer, hum?”
“Well if a huge fan of the show isn't around to see it on a May bank Holiday weekend, what about your casual viewer, hum?”
So 1 million more people are likely to be 'not around' on a May bank holiday than on an Easter bank holiday.....
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Dunno. Any number of reasons which, when taken together, might account for it (in other words, no one, single factor would be the cause).”
“Dunno. Any number of reasons which, when taken together, might account for it (in other words, no one, single factor would be the cause).”
Yes there will be a combination of reasons, but the reasons for last week 'only' getting 6.5 million are now being used to explain away the 1.1 million drop.
Originally Posted by temperare:
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy and neither is the viewing share.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.”
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy and neither is the viewing share.
The 6PM timeslot will lose viewers.
The fact the weather has been so nice will impact as people would rather be in a beer garden somewhere.
We have had 2 in a row 4 day weekends... A lot of people have taken this opportunity to take family holidays.
These are not "excuses" they are logical explanations.”
Of course they're excuses.
They might be good figures compared to everything else that was on (bar one thing) last night but they're not good complared to the week as a whole or compared to the series as a whole since it returned.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“But all those factors were there last week as well, they still don't explain a 1.1 million drop in overnight viewers last night.....”
“But all those factors were there last week as well, they still don't explain a 1.1 million drop in overnight viewers last night.....”
There are many possibilities... My theory is that more people make the effort to see a series premiere regardless of whether its a 2 parter or not.
Due to there being so long a wait since the last episode people get more excited..and make the effort to watch live then after this fix the following week are prepared to put other plans first and catch up the next day.
Also a lot of people would have been paid last week as it is the end of the month.
Originally Posted by Neu75:
“You've probably been waiting for the series to fail since 26th March 2005, so your views aren't going to hold much water with me...”
“You've probably been waiting for the series to fail since 26th March 2005, so your views aren't going to hold much water with me...”
No only since 3rd of April 2010.
Of course I don't want it to fail, you muppet. I want it to last long enough from Moffat to be gone and someone who knows how to make a series for a mainstream family audience to be in charge again.
Not sure how good a comparison these are but taking the same transmission date for previous series although there is a big drop from series 1 where Dalek got overnights of 8.7 (rough figure) and School Reunion 8.3..subsequent like for like episodes come in at Evolution of Daleks 6.5,Poison Sky 5.9 and Flesh Stone 6.87. So although there is a drop on the latter ones its not such a huge one..this also doesn't take into account the hour it was scheduled at..so say it was on at the time SYTYCD is at they may be rated at about the same level of interest.
(Again not taking into account any i player etc)
Personally I loved it and thought it deserved much higher.
(Again not taking into account any i player etc)
Personally I loved it and thought it deserved much higher.
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“Of course they're excuses.
They might be good figures compared to everything else that was on (bar one thing) last night but they're not good complared to the week as a whole or compared to the series as a whole since it returned.”
“Of course they're excuses.
They might be good figures compared to everything else that was on (bar one thing) last night but they're not good complared to the week as a whole or compared to the series as a whole since it returned.”
They are not excuses as I am not denying that the ratings in comparison to previous episodes and seasons is not the best!
I am providing more logical explanations to the reasons why. I dont think people are swtiching off, I just think they are not turning on.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“So 1 million more people are likely to be 'not around' on a May bank holiday than on an Easter bank holiday.....”
“So 1 million more people are likely to be 'not around' on a May bank holiday than on an Easter bank holiday.....”
I can't vouch for 1 million people but Easter is a time for extended family to meet so the May bank holiday is going to be more attractive for a holiday abroad.
Any scientist/statistician will tell you that you need a minimum of 3 data points to plot a trend. Most reputable scientists would expect at least 5. I appreciate DW is not a science experiment but shall we at least wait until next weeks figures which will be able to determine if this is an anomalous dip or a true downwards trend?
Can someone remind me what this "low" ratings argument is about? It is about the shows falling popularity (not really worthy of an argument, especially in a DW forum) or fears that it will be cancelled (also depends on so many other variables)?
Originally Posted by temperare:
“Also a lot of people would have been paid last week as it is the end of the month.”
“Also a lot of people would have been paid last week as it is the end of the month.”
And they didn't get paid between 2005 and 2009?
Given the weather and holiday situation were the same both weeks they can't be taken as factors when looking at the drop. A million people who watched live last week didn't want to see the conclusion this week.
Originally Posted by Lowri:
“Can someone remind me what this "low" ratings argument is about? It is about the shows falling popularity (not really worthy of an argument, especially in a DW forum) or fears that it will be cancelled (also depends on so many other variables)?”
“Can someone remind me what this "low" ratings argument is about? It is about the shows falling popularity (not really worthy of an argument, especially in a DW forum) or fears that it will be cancelled (also depends on so many other variables)?”
There's no question of it not making it to the 50th Anniversary in 2013 but if it stops being a mainstream success and winds up a 'cult favourite' that's not a good thing for its long-term future.
Here are the final ratings of those stories broadcast in the May Bank Holiday weekend...
2010 - 8m
2008 - 6.5m
2007 - 7.2m
2006 - 8.3m
2005 - 8.6m
Two to notice here. The 6.5m that watched the second part of the Sontaran adventure. That series ended with over 10m watching in July...
The 2005 series' second story saw a drop of 2.8m viewers
Sack RTD?
2010 - 8m
2008 - 6.5m
2007 - 7.2m
2006 - 8.3m
2005 - 8.6m
Two to notice here. The 6.5m that watched the second part of the Sontaran adventure. That series ended with over 10m watching in July...
The 2005 series' second story saw a drop of 2.8m viewers
Sack RTD?
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“And they didn't get paid between 2005 and 2009?
Given the weather and holiday situation were the same both weeks they can't be taken as factors when looking at the drop. A million people who watched live last week didn't want to see the conclusion this week.”
“And they didn't get paid between 2005 and 2009?
Given the weather and holiday situation were the same both weeks they can't be taken as factors when looking at the drop. A million people who watched live last week didn't want to see the conclusion this week.”
I am just saying a lot of people were paid last week which were not Easter Weekend. Therfore that accounts for the difference between the 2 weekends.
Oh and we did not have a 4 day weekend between 2005 and 2009. So a lot more people will be tempted to go for a mini break somewhere!
Originally Posted by temperare:
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy”
“First off the viewing figures are not that shoddy”
But you admit they *are* more than a bit shoddy though? (For Doctor Who)
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“There's no question of it not making it to the 50th Anniversary in 2013 but if it stops being a mainstream success and winds up a 'cult favourite' that's not a good thing for its long-term future.”
“There's no question of it not making it to the 50th Anniversary in 2013 but if it stops being a mainstream success and winds up a 'cult favourite' that's not a good thing for its long-term future.”
Ok, I can see where you're coming from but as long as it remains a favourite with children it will be mainstream.
Besides, it got the highest ratings of any other programme on BBC1 on saturday so even if the audience drops by 50% it won't be far off many of the other programmes the BBC show. The worst they can do is move it out of primetime which they seem to be doing anyway!
Originally Posted by Lowri:
“I can't vouch for 1 million people but Easter is a time for extended family to meet so the May bank holiday is going to be more attractive for a holiday abroad.
Any scientist/statistician will tell you that you need a minimum of 3 data points to plot a trend. Most reputable scientists would expect at least 5. I appreciate DW is not a science experiment but shall we at least wait until next weeks figures which will be able to determine if this is an anomalous dip or a true downwards trend?Can someone remind me what this "low" ratings argument is about? It is about the shows falling popularity (not really worthy of an argument, especially in a DW forum) or fears that it will be cancelled (also depends on so many other variables)?”
“I can't vouch for 1 million people but Easter is a time for extended family to meet so the May bank holiday is going to be more attractive for a holiday abroad.
Any scientist/statistician will tell you that you need a minimum of 3 data points to plot a trend. Most reputable scientists would expect at least 5. I appreciate DW is not a science experiment but shall we at least wait until next weeks figures which will be able to determine if this is an anomalous dip or a true downwards trend?Can someone remind me what this "low" ratings argument is about? It is about the shows falling popularity (not really worthy of an argument, especially in a DW forum) or fears that it will be cancelled (also depends on so many other variables)?”
Thank you! Exactly!
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