[ally66]

had a long hard look at the various methods these two offer. does anyone feel strongly that any one particular method is best. Does anyone thinhk food optimising is a bit of an invented theory to keep SW mystical and differentiate from WW

[Quackers]

Do neither. Diets do not really work for most people, because as soon as they lose the weight they put it back on, because they go back to there old eating habbits.

You need to change the way you eat, not what you eat.

Get paul mckennas book, i can make you thin. Its not a diet, its a weightloss system.

[Rhino Horn]

eat less calories

exercise more

[whoever,hey]

I think these schemes work for people that need the support network they offer. But their actual diets are crap. You should be eating less crap, and a balanced diet. Buy yourself a blokes fitness magazine would be a much better idea. They dont have the naff womens fad diets in that the womens mags have, and actually teach you about nutrition and how to exercise. Here is a very good forum
http://www.mensfitnessmagazine.co.uk...wforum.php?f=1
Mind you i haven't been to it for ages and it seems to be less active than it used to be.

Eat balanced, and visit your doctor, then get yourself exercising. Dont fall for any diet unless it got the word "balanced" in it.