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Old 19-04-2013, 13:52
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TV XL is £24.50 so £7 cheaper than Sky's equivalent and includes library content, 32 HD channels (from end of April) and 7000 on demand music videos.
Without a PVR it is, with a PVR it's £29.50 which I would hazard a guess most new customers would choose. It's worth noting that the VM prices require a phoneline too otherwise XL is actually more expensive than Sky Entertainment Extra+, either with or without a PVR.

Sky EE+ and a PVR is £31.50 with Sky Atlantic and over 45 HD Channels.

There's very little between them in price anymore, even less so when ESPN closes. Both are pretty good value though but i'd personally rather spend £2 more for Atlantic and many more HD channels than music videos but I guess it's horses for courses.

I suppose another consideration is if you're a premium channel customer which I think are a fair bit cheaper with Sky, sadly I rather suspect Sky Sports customers are heading for pretty big price hikes whatever platform they view on
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Old 19-04-2013, 17:40
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and S4C channels changes being that TLC will be on Channel Number 167 and S4C will be moved elsewhere?
S4C is moving to 166
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35562371-post599.html
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Old 20-04-2013, 00:44
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Without a PVR it is, with a PVR it's £29.50 which I would hazard a guess most new customers would choose. It's worth noting that the VM prices require a phoneline too otherwise XL is actually more expensive than Sky Entertainment Extra+, either with or without a PVR.

Sky EE+ and a PVR is £31.50 with Sky Atlantic and over 45 HD Channels.

There's very little between them in price anymore, even less so when ESPN closes. Both are pretty good value though but i'd personally rather spend £2 more for Atlantic and many more HD channels than music videos but I guess it's horses for courses.

I suppose another consideration is if you're a premium channel customer which I think are a fair bit cheaper with Sky, sadly I rather suspect Sky Sports customers are heading for pretty big price hikes whatever platform they view on

Yes I'm aware of all that. You made reference to the bundled £29.50 (XL TV & TiVo) price to which I responded to, not the unbundled XL TV & TiVo price you're now referring to. To correct you I pointed out that the bundled price of XL TV is only £24.50 whether you have a TiVo or not, and therefore £7 cheaper than EE+.

If we're comparing like for like then to get any OD content with EE+ (one of its main features) you'd need a landline and BB meaning you'd be paying considerably more than the £31.50 quoted. You'd only need to add VM phone/BB to bring the price of XL TV down to £24.50, EE+ remains at £31.50 with phone and BB. Most TiVo customers choose a Collection which doesn't have a £5 fee attached to it. And those still with a V+ don't pay a PVR fee.

Personally I wouldn't consider 13 more HD channels to be many more or good value over thousands of OD music videos especially if I had access to the same content those HD channels are showing, even if in SD.
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Old 20-04-2013, 06:03
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Yes I'm aware of all that. You made reference to the bundled £29.50 (XL TV & TiVo) price to which I responded to, not the unbundled XL TV & TiVo price you're now referring to. To correct you I pointed out that the bundled price of XL TV is only £24.50 whether you have a TiVo or not, and therefore £7 cheaper than EE+.

If we're comparing like for like then to get any OD content with EE+ (one of its main features) you'd need a landline and BB meaning you'd be paying considerably more than the £31.50 quoted. You'd only need to add VM phone/BB to bring the price of XL TV down to £24.50, EE+ remains at £31.50 with phone and BB. Most TiVo customers choose a Collection which doesn't have a £5 fee attached to it. And those still with a V+ don't pay a PVR fee.

Personally I wouldn't consider 13 more HD channels to be many more or good value over thousands of OD music videos especially if I had access to the same content those HD channels are showing, even if in SD.
That's fair comment about On Demand and indeed it's horses for courses what people like but for a couple of pounds more i'd much rather have Sky Atlantic than music videos, i'm a bit old for them personally, I know it often gets very low ratings but for me its by far the highest quality, non premium pay channel.

Music Videos and Atlantic aside if VM can get BT Sport in XL then that would be a genuine game changer for many people, in my opinion
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Old 20-04-2013, 12:52
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not sure why bt sport in xl would be a game changer, it has less premiership football than the first year of espn end of setanta which was in xl, most of the other sports were already available to xl viewers. it might stop people leaving for bt from cable rather than adsl supplied areas.

cable is sort of half way between bt and sky with regard to content, with a platform advantage of sorts only in cabled areas.
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Old 20-04-2013, 12:56
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not sure why bt sport in xl would be a game changer, it has less premiership football than the first year of espn end of setanta which was in xl, most of the other sports were already available to xl viewers. it might stop people leaving for bt from cable rather than adsl supplied areas.

cable is sort of half way between bt and sky with regard to content, with a platform advantage of sorts only in cabled areas.
Game changer in the sense that many channels have recently been added to VM but ESPN is closing which is maybe why they can afford to add them.

If the package also had BT Sport it would be a great package but most people seem to think there's little chance of that happening.
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Old 23-04-2013, 08:44
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Virgin Shorts launched on channel 399
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Old 24-04-2013, 22:19
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Virgin Shorts launched on channel 399
Just a red button redirect like the YouTube channel, actually.
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Old 26-04-2013, 08:05
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Coming soon slates have been added for the remaining Zee TV channels to launch on VM.

Zee Cafe on 811
Zing on 813

Also another HD channel should be coming soon too, NHK World HD on 625.
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Old 26-04-2013, 10:11
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Surprising that NHK World HD will be the first HD news channel to launch on Virgin. I would have said Sky News HD and Sky Sports News HD or the Turner owned CNN HD which launches on satellite in june. I wonder what channel 623 will be used for.
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Old 26-04-2013, 11:37
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this just gets better!

Zee Cafe for anyone interested does show live cricket. If anyone's interested in that.

NHK World is not a bad news channel at all.

Whats left then that sky has VM dont? I can't think of many....
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Old 26-04-2013, 11:41
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this just gets better!

Zee Cafe for anyone interested does show live cricket. If anyone's interested in that.

NHK World is not a bad news channel at all.

Whats left then that sky has VM dont? I can't think of many....
Sony Movies, that's the channel i'd like to see
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Old 30-04-2013, 06:07
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New channels:

TLC - 167
TLC HD - 168
TLC +1 - 169
I.D. +1 - 215
NHK World TV HD - 625 (starts tomorrow)

Channels closed:

Discovery Realtime - 271
Realtime +1 - 272
Travel & Living - 273
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:12
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Animal Planet HD now available on channel 217.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:42
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Military History has been rebranded as H2 on channel 236.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:33
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Discovery Home & Health has moved to channel 271.
Discovery Home & Health +1 has moved to channel 272
Discovery Travel & Living has been removed from channel 273.
Discovery Shed has moved to channel 273.
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Old 28-05-2013, 07:58
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History +1 now on channel 235
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Old 28-05-2013, 12:23
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History +1 now on channel 235
So they have renewed their carriage agreement with A+E Networks , hopefully CI +1 , CI HD and History HD launch soon.
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Old 29-05-2013, 02:51
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EPG reshuffle:

Comedy Central +1 has moved from 134 to 133
MTV has moved from 311 to 134
Comedy Central HD has moved from 133 to 181
Comedy Central Extra has moved from 185 to 182
MTV Live HD has moved from 310 to 311
MTV Hits has moved from 317 to 312
MTV Base has moved from 315 to 313
MTV Rocks has moved from 325 to 315
VH1 has moved from 320 to 316
VIVA has moved from 313 to 317
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Old 29-05-2013, 10:51
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I wouldn't be surprised if Comedy Central Extra + 1, MTV HD , MTV +1 launch soon in the 180s. Also suggests they plan to launch MTV Live on 310.

Maybe they will use 308 and 309 for MTV Music & MTV Classic.
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Old 29-05-2013, 11:13
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it would have made more sense to have it as

Syfy 134 - Syfy +1 135 - Syfy HD 136 rather than shifting MTV
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Old 29-05-2013, 12:38
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Also suggests they plan to launch MTV Live on 310.

Maybe they will use 308 and 309 for MTV Music & MTV Classic.
I'm not sure why they would want to put less popular channels higher up on the EPG. I would have thought that clearing the range up to 310 is more likely to be to reserve the space for Music OD channels.
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Old 29-05-2013, 12:42
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it would have made more sense to have it as

Syfy 134 - Syfy +1 135 - Syfy HD 136 rather than shifting MTV
Viacom already occupied 134, it's easier for them to shuffle their own channels around than for other programme suppliers to evict them.
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Old 29-05-2013, 16:03
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EPG reshuffle:

Comedy Central +1 has moved from 134 to 133
MTV has moved from 311 to 134
Comedy Central HD has moved from 133 to 181
Comedy Central Extra has moved from 185 to 182
MTV Live HD has moved from 310 to 311
MTV Hits has moved from 317 to 312
MTV Base has moved from 315 to 313
MTV Rocks has moved from 325 to 315
VH1 has moved from 320 to 316
VIVA has moved from 313 to 317
also..

MTV Dance has moved from 319 to 314.

Which actually was one on the first in the sequence of changes, I missed that in the copy / paste.
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Old 29-05-2013, 16:58
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I wish we could change the order of the channels to suit ourselves.

I would put all the channels I watch the most at the front and channels such as the ones with programmes about embarrassing bodies and the guy with the wiggly worms coming out of his scalp at the back of the listings.
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