I didnt see them either 
Scala - The girl group...WOW!
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They were in one of the bits where they just show a selection of acts that got through, or didn't, without focussing too long on any one act - I think they got through but IIRC, Simon was quite reluctant, and I didn't get why these girls were treated so differently - I'd be interested to know if anyone else saw it, and what they thought - I've a feeling they might have been a little older than the Scala girls - don't know if that's what made the difference?
oops!! Have to correct myself here - just watched the clips again and it wasn't all -girl, it was a mixed band, looked like a family - sorry about that!
Originally Posted by trec123:
“What I didn't understand was why the group yesterday, playing harps etc, didn't get the same reception?
From what little we saw of them, they seemed just as good, but Simon didn't seem keen and they were bunched in as one of the "clips" - I can't even remember if they got through or not.
Am I just showing my ignorance at classical talent, here?”
“What I didn't understand was why the group yesterday, playing harps etc, didn't get the same reception?
From what little we saw of them, they seemed just as good, but Simon didn't seem keen and they were bunched in as one of the "clips" - I can't even remember if they got through or not.
Am I just showing my ignorance at classical talent, here?
”
Maybe harpists don't have the sex appeal of female violinists in mini skirts? We didn't really see enough of them to guage an opinion to be fair...
Originally Posted by trec123:
“What I didn't understand was why the group yesterday, playing harps etc, didn't get the same reception?:”
“What I didn't understand was why the group yesterday, playing harps etc, didn't get the same reception?:”
I thought the same thing. I absolutely loved Scala, but they were just playing a standard classical piece, whereas the harp group was doing a great-sounding reworking of a Coldplay song.
I'm really keen to see what Scala can do later in the competition though. I think there's a lot of potential there.
what is the name of that other group of gorgeous girls that play string insruments that was a sensation a couple of years ago?
very similar.
very similar.
Originally Posted by funkyfairy:
“They were amazing and different!! Think they have a big chance!!”
“They were amazing and different!! Think they have a big chance!!”
it's been done. they are still great though
and thanks for slappers reminding of the name Bond.
Ah good to see lovely Scala again, cant wait to see them live, not only the stunning tall blond girl but my favourite the dark haired one who did most the talking. Cant wait to see what piece of music they play, they're definitely top 10 and finalists IMO
Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/
Originally Posted by Poor Old Ben:
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
bit negative... the four current members of the TV Scala line up have been in tons of groups / bands / blah blah... they would be... 2 of them are superb music teachers (maybe were now they will be famous!) and the other 2 are from musical families and backgrounds... they,like some of the other talented semi-finalists deserve a shot, even if they have tried before... this is the big time for them all!
Scala are hot hot hot! oh and they can play too
Hmmm....
Before I say stuff thats probably going to be unpopular; I'd like to say that I think Scarla are good and I don't expect them to be as good as Bond.
Afterall artists like Bond and Vanessa May are pretty much at the top of their genre and played a big role in defining "new classical" or whatever you want to coin it.
For look, I think Bond are more glamourous looking; least in photoshoots.
I'm gonna compare Bond a little; and I don't think Palladio is the best track to compare with. I'd say Explosive is much better to compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
Now thats how its done.
Although I like Scarla there is one thing I don't like; and thats how they tried to make out that they are really unique; it gives off the impression that they are doing something new and fresh and even to go as far as to say that they designed the composition.
Given that the song they played was Bond's version of Palladio; called Allegretto, this certainly isn't the case. What Scala played was a faster version of the song but with less depth and technical precision.
Bottom line, if we are going to compare Scala and Bond; Bond's version has more depth and energy.
For the record; here's Bond's version of the song played live (CD version I thinks better but you can't really compare live and CD).
Bond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-WUgNSZ5k
And here is Scala:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kYflB3kYI
Now, Bond created the sound design, which is a big part of the song (what we heard as the backing track in Scalas version). Scala's is faster, but as a piece, doesn't really touch Bond's - it has more depth I think.
As for how the sound is created, some people asked if they made the sounds come out of the instruments - some yes but there is a backing track as some pointed out.
Heres Duel, you can see that there is a guitarist and someone on keyboards and percussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
Thats my 2 cents anyway.
Before I say stuff thats probably going to be unpopular; I'd like to say that I think Scarla are good and I don't expect them to be as good as Bond.
Afterall artists like Bond and Vanessa May are pretty much at the top of their genre and played a big role in defining "new classical" or whatever you want to coin it.
For look, I think Bond are more glamourous looking; least in photoshoots.
I'm gonna compare Bond a little; and I don't think Palladio is the best track to compare with. I'd say Explosive is much better to compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
Now thats how its done.
Although I like Scarla there is one thing I don't like; and thats how they tried to make out that they are really unique; it gives off the impression that they are doing something new and fresh and even to go as far as to say that they designed the composition.
Given that the song they played was Bond's version of Palladio; called Allegretto, this certainly isn't the case. What Scala played was a faster version of the song but with less depth and technical precision.
Bottom line, if we are going to compare Scala and Bond; Bond's version has more depth and energy.
For the record; here's Bond's version of the song played live (CD version I thinks better but you can't really compare live and CD).
Bond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-WUgNSZ5k
And here is Scala:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kYflB3kYI
Now, Bond created the sound design, which is a big part of the song (what we heard as the backing track in Scalas version). Scala's is faster, but as a piece, doesn't really touch Bond's - it has more depth I think.
As for how the sound is created, some people asked if they made the sounds come out of the instruments - some yes but there is a backing track as some pointed out.
Heres Duel, you can see that there is a guitarist and someone on keyboards and percussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
Thats my 2 cents anyway.
Originally Posted by Grand Dizzy:
“
Frankly, I'm astonished by people's reaction to this act.
What is everyone so impressed with?
I don't claim to know that much about string quartets, but I'm quite certain that there are dozens, if not hundreds, across the country who play just as well — if not far better. (Like… professional musicians for example?)
So… what do the Judges (and everyone here) find so "amazing" about them?
Their "larger than life" personalities?
No, they seemed quite shy.
Their "amazing" choreography?
No, it was extremely basic and easy. Something almost any string quartet would have no trouble arranging.
Their fancy costumes?
Well, Paul Potts famously walked on the stage in a "cheap suit". Isn't this supposed to be a search for talent not a nice costume?
Their composition?
Well, it's a nice tune, but they can't take credit for composing it!
Their expensive instruments?
Sure, wealth = talent.
Their original arrangement of the tune?
No, they just played the standard arrangement with percussion.
Their difficulty/complexity of the piece?
No, it wasn't a particularly complex or difficult piece to play. (It certainly didn't sound it, anyway.)
Their unusual playing style?
No, they just played their instruments as normal.
Honestly, the only "impressive" thing about this act, in my opinion, was the synching with the backing track which didn't kick in until half way through (presumably they were using ear monitors). So, from a production point of view, it was impressive. But that's not exactly the girls' talent, that's the production team doing their job.
And why are people calling them "sexy". They're hardly a bunch of lookers, are they? Or does wearing a short skirt and makeup make any girl "sexy"? (And even if they were good looking, is that what constitutes "talent"?)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the girls off. Playing violin, viola, or cello is not "simple" and does require talent, and they're obviously not "bad" players. But I just don't see how a highly unoriginal "run of the mill" act like this, that's been around for centuries, can be compared favourably with other acts on the show which are unique, original, or demonstrate a phenomenal skill.”
“
Frankly, I'm astonished by people's reaction to this act.
What is everyone so impressed with?
I don't claim to know that much about string quartets, but I'm quite certain that there are dozens, if not hundreds, across the country who play just as well — if not far better. (Like… professional musicians for example?)
So… what do the Judges (and everyone here) find so "amazing" about them?
Their "larger than life" personalities?
No, they seemed quite shy.
Their "amazing" choreography?
No, it was extremely basic and easy. Something almost any string quartet would have no trouble arranging.
Their fancy costumes?
Well, Paul Potts famously walked on the stage in a "cheap suit". Isn't this supposed to be a search for talent not a nice costume?
Their composition?
Well, it's a nice tune, but they can't take credit for composing it!
Their expensive instruments?
Sure, wealth = talent.
Their original arrangement of the tune?
No, they just played the standard arrangement with percussion.
Their difficulty/complexity of the piece?
No, it wasn't a particularly complex or difficult piece to play. (It certainly didn't sound it, anyway.)
Their unusual playing style?
No, they just played their instruments as normal.
Honestly, the only "impressive" thing about this act, in my opinion, was the synching with the backing track which didn't kick in until half way through (presumably they were using ear monitors). So, from a production point of view, it was impressive. But that's not exactly the girls' talent, that's the production team doing their job.
And why are people calling them "sexy". They're hardly a bunch of lookers, are they? Or does wearing a short skirt and makeup make any girl "sexy"? (And even if they were good looking, is that what constitutes "talent"?)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the girls off. Playing violin, viola, or cello is not "simple" and does require talent, and they're obviously not "bad" players. But I just don't see how a highly unoriginal "run of the mill" act like this, that's been around for centuries, can be compared favourably with other acts on the show which are unique, original, or demonstrate a phenomenal skill.”
Wow dont hold back. Ive never seen an act like this and i doubt the majority of the public have, so they are unique to the majority. Plus there whole ensemble was what was special, its the unexpected thats good with these shows. Its the overall package that appeals to people, plus they played that piece amazingly.
Its like paul potts last year, is he the best oprea singer in out there? answer is no, and singing nesum dorma is exactly an unique act. However he shocked everyone and sung the song amazing, his voice was amazing, and his emotional performance brought oprea to the mases.
Originally Posted by Poor Old Ben:
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
Paul potts was apparently a pro last year and all these rumors surfaced about him to, same with leona lewis (these two have been the most successful talent show winners as of late). He was given another chance and he was by far the most talented so i dont care if they have had connections, tried to make it etc etc, just shows they are willing to work hard and dont just want the fame.
Whilst it obviously irks some people about some of the acts and enables them to only make negative comments, i am but a simple fan of the show and looking forward to it all.
Sorry to rebump this thread if nobody is interested in it anymore - I guess people will be once Scala have played though.
First; something I want to comment on:
The percussion was a backing track; obviously. But you can get some really unexpected sounds out of the instrument. Which is kind of why I prefer Bond and don't regard Scala as highly.
If we take Bond's track Explosive. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
* This is the music video; not a live performance *
Throughout the song you can hear a deep sound that blends a bit with the percussion - it sounds almost like an electric guitar/some kind of sample. It's really obvious at the start of the track in a higher pitch - then its deeper throughout. I always assumed it was an instrument the girls are not playing or a sample.
I then saw this live and noticed, the girl with the Cello is making that sound - which is quite shocking I think.
It's kinda obvious at the start of the track and then further in she does a few repititions of it with the last two notes being a higher pitch and its more recognisable as a cello.
Also, some of the notes ~ 140 that sound like an acoustic guitar are also coming from the cello by playing the strings with her fingers.
The segment at around 2:00 with the "fanfare" is obviously just that. Not the quartet, the sound effects are also samples.
So its a mixture of sound effects, backing (percussion and at one point additional support for the fanfare) and the girls playing both traditionally and "experimentally" for want of a better word.
It's their ability to bring these elements together into a piece that works that makes Bond great along with their ability to create sounds you would not expect to get out of the instruments.
Scala are good; but after hearing a few of Scalas tracks online; I fear they are not quite capable of performing to Bond's calibre - which if Scala were to win it; could cause a slight problem in their space as Bond are pretty much established as the standard.
Basically; to compare I think Scala need to get one hell of an arrangement together or outside of the competition - I don't know that they will do as well.
It's not that it irks me; I just find it hard to put a high regard onto these girls as what I see as the standard in that genre is leagues ahead of Scala. If you check Bond's Duel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
That was their debut performance, which kinda puts it into perspective I think.
If they can match up to Bond I will really buy into Scala as I like that crossover genre; but if they don't then... I don't know... I'd feel as if they were the lesser immitation. Does that make sense?
Actually, Bond are better looking too me thinks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjcyS...eature=related
Not that it matters.
Last edited by Fizix : 27-05-2008 at 15:08
First; something I want to comment on:
Originally Posted by Grand Dizzy:
“Honestly, the only "impressive" thing about this act, in my opinion, was the synching with the backing track which didn't kick in until half way through (presumably they were using ear monitors). ”
“Honestly, the only "impressive" thing about this act, in my opinion, was the synching with the backing track which didn't kick in until half way through (presumably they were using ear monitors). ”
Originally Posted by Jimbo Asprilla:
“A total rip off of bond, and I thought their playing was all but drowned out by their backing tape, I think had they played without the backing tape they would have sounded very average. ”
“A total rip off of bond, and I thought their playing was all but drowned out by their backing tape, I think had they played without the backing tape they would have sounded very average. ”
Originally Posted by Pres.F:
“Can someone confirm that they were playing to a backing track?
Someone I was watching with was claiming that ALL the noises were being made from the girls themselves....but I'm far from convinced. I doubt you can get a sound like that from a stringed instrument, no matter how talented you are.”
“Can someone confirm that they were playing to a backing track?
Someone I was watching with was claiming that ALL the noises were being made from the girls themselves....but I'm far from convinced. I doubt you can get a sound like that from a stringed instrument, no matter how talented you are.”
The percussion was a backing track; obviously. But you can get some really unexpected sounds out of the instrument. Which is kind of why I prefer Bond and don't regard Scala as highly.
If we take Bond's track Explosive. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
* This is the music video; not a live performance *
Throughout the song you can hear a deep sound that blends a bit with the percussion - it sounds almost like an electric guitar/some kind of sample. It's really obvious at the start of the track in a higher pitch - then its deeper throughout. I always assumed it was an instrument the girls are not playing or a sample.
I then saw this live and noticed, the girl with the Cello is making that sound - which is quite shocking I think.
It's kinda obvious at the start of the track and then further in she does a few repititions of it with the last two notes being a higher pitch and its more recognisable as a cello.
Also, some of the notes ~ 140 that sound like an acoustic guitar are also coming from the cello by playing the strings with her fingers.
The segment at around 2:00 with the "fanfare" is obviously just that. Not the quartet, the sound effects are also samples.
So its a mixture of sound effects, backing (percussion and at one point additional support for the fanfare) and the girls playing both traditionally and "experimentally" for want of a better word.
It's their ability to bring these elements together into a piece that works that makes Bond great along with their ability to create sounds you would not expect to get out of the instruments.
Scala are good; but after hearing a few of Scalas tracks online; I fear they are not quite capable of performing to Bond's calibre - which if Scala were to win it; could cause a slight problem in their space as Bond are pretty much established as the standard.
Basically; to compare I think Scala need to get one hell of an arrangement together or outside of the competition - I don't know that they will do as well.
Originally Posted by kev4449:
“Whilst it obviously irks some people about some of the acts and enables them to only make negative comments, i am but a simple fan of the show and looking forward to it all. ”
“Whilst it obviously irks some people about some of the acts and enables them to only make negative comments, i am but a simple fan of the show and looking forward to it all. ”
It's not that it irks me; I just find it hard to put a high regard onto these girls as what I see as the standard in that genre is leagues ahead of Scala. If you check Bond's Duel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
That was their debut performance, which kinda puts it into perspective I think.
If they can match up to Bond I will really buy into Scala as I like that crossover genre; but if they don't then... I don't know... I'd feel as if they were the lesser immitation. Does that make sense?
Actually, Bond are better looking too me thinks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjcyS...eature=related
Not that it matters.
Last edited by Fizix : 27-05-2008 at 15:08
Can this please be kept to an appreciation thread as the title suggest. I appreciate there are several 'experts' who 'need' to point how 'they have seen better', but im watching BGT from a positive perspective and Bond arent a cotenstant so ???
Originally Posted by Poor Old Ben:
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
“Sorry to have to say but Scala are a professional act already known to Mr Simon Cowell and who were personally invited to take part. The whole thing sounds rather fishy to me and i can easily see them winning and signing a big fat contract with Mr Cowell.
PS wouldn't surprise me if the whole voting this week is rigged inn their favour. After all it has happen several times before.
Reference:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/s...8487-20380925/”
most of the semi-finalists are professionals including the hoopla act & the Jeremy guy from tonight has been in a film, the dancing lad from last night has won loads of competitions as has Faryl - even the martial arts guys are part of a "professional" display team - the amatuers in this competiton are in the minority
Originally Posted by olivej:
“but there is already a 4 girl act called Bond who play the same type of music
I dont dispute the fact that they were very very good but is there room for another band just like Bond?
Guess we shall have to wait and see”
“but there is already a 4 girl act called Bond who play the same type of music
I dont dispute the fact that they were very very good but is there room for another band just like Bond?
Guess we shall have to wait and see”
Well just because they play cross over clasical music as do Bond does not mean there is no room for them. The only similarity is the music other then that they are totally different.
What you are saying is there should only be one Pop Group or one Blues Group etc.
In any case Bond as others have said seem to have disappeared off the scene they last released a CD over 3 years ago. There is though very litle similarity between Bond & Scala.
Originally Posted by Fizix:
“Hmmm....
Before I say stuff thats probably going to be unpopular; I'd like to say that I think Scarla are good and I don't expect them to be as good as Bond.
Afterall artists like Bond and Vanessa May are pretty much at the top of their genre and played a big role in defining "new classical" or whatever you want to coin it.
For look, I think Bond are more glamourous looking; least in photoshoots.
I'm gonna compare Bond a little; and I don't think Palladio is the best track to compare with. I'd say Explosive is much better to compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
Now thats how its done.
Although I like Scarla there is one thing I don't like; and thats how they tried to make out that they are really unique; it gives off the impression that they are doing something new and fresh and even to go as far as to say that they designed the composition.
Given that the song they played was Bond's version of Palladio; called Allegretto, this certainly isn't the case. What Scala played was a faster version of the song but with less depth and technical precision.
Bottom line, if we are going to compare Scala and Bond; Bond's version has more depth and energy.
For the record; here's Bond's version of the song played live (CD version I thinks better but you can't really compare live and CD).
Bond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-WUgNSZ5k
And here is Scala:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kYflB3kYI
Now, Bond created the sound design, which is a big part of the song (what we heard as the backing track in Scalas version). Scala's is faster, but as a piece, doesn't really touch Bond's - it has more depth I think.
As for how the sound is created, some people asked if they made the sounds come out of the instruments - some yes but there is a backing track as some pointed out.
Heres Duel, you can see that there is a guitarist and someone on keyboards and percussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
Thats my 2 cents anyway.”
“Hmmm....
Before I say stuff thats probably going to be unpopular; I'd like to say that I think Scarla are good and I don't expect them to be as good as Bond.
Afterall artists like Bond and Vanessa May are pretty much at the top of their genre and played a big role in defining "new classical" or whatever you want to coin it.
For look, I think Bond are more glamourous looking; least in photoshoots.
I'm gonna compare Bond a little; and I don't think Palladio is the best track to compare with. I'd say Explosive is much better to compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6745NbGeM
Now thats how its done.
Although I like Scarla there is one thing I don't like; and thats how they tried to make out that they are really unique; it gives off the impression that they are doing something new and fresh and even to go as far as to say that they designed the composition.
Given that the song they played was Bond's version of Palladio; called Allegretto, this certainly isn't the case. What Scala played was a faster version of the song but with less depth and technical precision.
Bottom line, if we are going to compare Scala and Bond; Bond's version has more depth and energy.
For the record; here's Bond's version of the song played live (CD version I thinks better but you can't really compare live and CD).
Bond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-WUgNSZ5k
And here is Scala:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kYflB3kYI
Now, Bond created the sound design, which is a big part of the song (what we heard as the backing track in Scalas version). Scala's is faster, but as a piece, doesn't really touch Bond's - it has more depth I think.
As for how the sound is created, some people asked if they made the sounds come out of the instruments - some yes but there is a backing track as some pointed out.
Heres Duel, you can see that there is a guitarist and someone on keyboards and percussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZY0xk0VeDs&NR=1
Thats my 2 cents anyway.”
This sound like one of the this group is really great but I am supporting one of the others act so I shall rip them to pieces
You post certainly sound like what I have stated above. Scala were good , very good. To play to that standard is not easy and yes they are trained musicians they have not tried to hide that they even stated they had played professionally.
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