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and now the BB4 end is near.. your advice for BB5 producers
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Busy Lizzy
26-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Opaque
I think the having them all up and voting for who you want kept in is a good idea that could be used at least once.

But the biggest thing I think that each year they are forgetting to do is Give Them Something To Do Every Day!!!!!
Mix in elements of the rare things they have had over the years, the talk subjects, games and give them tasks that last longer and that are more involved. I loved the pedalo task, kept me watching and it was funny to wake up at 4am and see them still at it!

They may moan about them always sunbathing or reading (even to the point of taking books off them that had been in the house for 3 and 4 weeks without comment) but did they actually give them anything to do during the days? No they didn't.
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That's exactly the point. They had no inner reserves to do something for themselves. They constantly needed prompting to do anything interesting at all. Except for the tasks, it was Groundhog Day, every day. That was the tragedy.
Eusebius
26-07-2003
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“Originally posted by lala
Just get some f***ing interesting contestants forgod sake that are watchable for nine weeks ”

More words of wisdom from Gigi 'Humbug' Eligoloff in this week's Radio Times -- the contestants were picked for their charisma....

"Ultimately, it's not what you say or do [that gets you picked]. It's magnetism, an aura. Lisa, from BB4, had it."

Kidradical
26-07-2003
FIRST: Enough with the "stunts."

In almost every case, they backfired against the show.

--The "nominate after 1 hour" stunt simply led to the eviction of whoever was the loudest on the first night, since that would naturally be one of the highest-watched nights of the series and all of the viewers would be excited about being able to vote right away.

No matter how Anouska acted after that, she could never overcome all of the votes racked up on that first night. Which is a damn shame, since she clearly could have been an interesting person to watch for the rest of the series -- the HMs really liked her, and she was so engaging that producers sent her to Australia and then kept her in extra weeks down there because she was such a great pick-up for the house. Meanwhile, for some reason, the producers chose not to show any of BB Australia like they had done with Africa, perhaps because (like with Africa) we would have seen how much more interesting the other house was.

-- The "double eviction" stunt was simply an unmitigated catastrophe, since it ended up with two interesting & troublemaking HMs being evicted at exactly the same time. The viewability of the show took such a hit that it was as if it had been staked through the heart. It generated excitement and interest for one night, and then for the rest of the month it was like the show had plunged off a cliff.

(I'd also like to point out that both of these "stunts" were simply calculated to generate more phone votes, to pad the pockets of Endemol.)

-- The "swap" stunt was the least disastrous, but still injured the show because you had outsiders coming & going, which invades the "isolation" aspect of the show. It also included the priviso that the traveler would be immune from eviction for two weeks, which either overtly intentionally favored Cameron or simply gave the impression that it did, which in either case leads to accusations of a rigged game and therefore resentment among viewers. (Doing it late in the game also virtually guaranteed Cam would make it to the final four.)

SECOND: For GOD'S SAKE, give them tasks that are visual and which are conducive to interaction.

Tasks like "memorize facts about your HMs" do not make for good television viewing. Tasks like "discuss your opinions on controversial subjects in the diary room but then you are forbidden from discussing them (!) with your HMs" do not make for good television viewing. Tasks like "pretend you have imaginary invisible bells in your hand" does not make for good television viewing.

And, on a related note, the tasks should be fun & challenging, not difficult & frustrating.

The point of the tasks is to give the HMs something to do with their days, not to shaft them out of their shopping budget. Now, granted, Fed screwed up twice, but that's not the point: one person screwing up should not mean the entire house is without booze for the week. (Which can be quite dull to watch.) And that bell-ringing task was absolutely ridiculous -- just about outright impossible. What producer picked that as the task after the HMs had already failed for the first two weeks? Sack that idiot YESTERDAY, and then sack the idiot again today for good measure.

THIRD: Take away the books, and give them some games.

Yes, you need to give the housemates something to do to keep their minds occupied. But giving them books just means they're going to be sitting aroud reading. That doesn't lead to interaction and it certainly doesn't lead to interesting viewing. Give them playing cards, some board games, etc. -- these are naturally social activities, people still talk to each other when they're playing cards, and at the very least it could lead to arguments over rules, cheating, winning, etc. etc.

I mean, can you imagine how much more interesting it would have been to see a pitched Monopoly game, with wheeling & dealing, backstabbing, etc., rather than seeing a bunch of people sitting around reading? Or a housewide Tongo championship, maybe with the winner getting a small prize (box of chocolates, booze, etc.)? Well, you get the idea.

FOURTH: Big Brother should not be such a wet blanket.

Remember how fun it was to watch the BB3 HMs race around in those shopping carts, or try to change clothes in that big plastic tube? Those were games the HMs invented to amuse themselves, and they were brilliant. But the moment the BB4 HMs started "waterskiing" on the laminates, out of a desperation to fight off boredom (theirs and ours), BB but a quick end to it. What was that about?

AND HERE'S A FEW QUICK SUGGESTIONS...

-- No more manufactured romances... it makes the show look sad & desperate
-- No more preselected winners... it seemed obvious that producers were backing Cameron, but even if not true, at the very least when it became clear that the public believed this they should have taken steps to make it plain that they were showing both his good & bad sides.
-- Get a better mix of HMs... not just ages but people who will actually be themselves, not just try to play it nice for the cameras, creating as few waves as possible to stay in the house longer.

Hope all this somehow makes it back to the producers...

Best regards,

Kidradical
lala
26-07-2003
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“Originally posted by mystic_nutmeg
More words of wisdom from Gigi 'Humbug' Eligoloff in this week's Radio Times -- the contestants were picked for their charisma....

"Ultimately, it's not what you say or do [that gets you picked]. It's magnetism, an aura. Lisa, from BB4, had it."

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Yeh she had it.........But did steph, Gos, Scott had it?

Hope she aint working on BB5
Netizen
26-07-2003
The daily shows need to change. Keep BBLB as it is but with no pointless txt polls. The ones such as Wake Up Music (that actively affect the house) should stay but be an overnight web poll. For a bit of variety have proper comedy sketches with Avid Merrion, i always get the feeling Dermot wants to make more fun of the show but isn't allowed to!

BB at 10 (on some nights) should be longer, and have a "Newsnight Review" style. Celebs, Ex-HMs and Psychologists should sit round a table with Dermot or Davina and discuss segments of VT from the last 24 hours. Have a stupidly big video wall with stats and things, and have Boycie the Bookie from RISE with regular and honest betting reports. It doesn't have to be longer every night as we all know some days are dull, some have too much action to cover in 30 mins. To make up for this they could just chop 15-25 mins of BB Live as and when they need it. It wouldn't upset the schedules too much as i dont think anything shown after BB Live (around 1 or 2am) is prioity programming.

At the moment the "highlights" show is nothing more than condensed live coverage, we need to get more hardcore into the show and get real opinions, not one-sentance thoughts from teeny texters. Some of the insight from Fed and other ex-HMs on RISE has been worth getting up for, and increased the show's audience (no thanks to Iain and Kate).

Just rough ideas, but i think you get the jist of it. More Depth.
Mr_X
26-07-2003
Give us a new premium big brother service on satellite/cable that runs throughout the whole series with no ad breaks, swearing included (but some things still need blanked for libel reasons) and four full screens in the interactive, for say, £6 one off payment.

Then give us something better to pay £6 to watch. You could:

Scrap the whole Saturday night live task thing, and go back to the task that was allocated at the start of the week, a set amount was gambled, then the task was performed later that week.

Get some people in the house that are bound to clash

Get people who REALLY want to win. I got the idea that people this year were acting "Nah, I don't really want to win". Get people that need £70,000 - or increase the prize figure so there is competition to get the prize.

There is a lack of determination really to get the prize in the UK, as most people make money after leaving BB:UK by doing Ad's, newspaper stories and so on.

Also, make all contestants sign a contract that they cannot "sell" their stories to individual newspapers/magazines like has happened this year. Make them sign a contact that says they can only disclose information to Channel 4.
alison z
27-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Netizen
BB at 10 (on some nights) should be longer, and have a "Newsnight Review" style. Celebs, Ex-HMs and Psychologists should sit round a table with Dermot or Davina and discuss segments of VT from the last 24 hours. Have a stupidly big video wall with stats and things, and have Boycie the Bookie from RISE with regular and honest betting reports. It doesn't have to be longer every night as we all know some days are dull, some have too much action to cover in 30 mins. To make up for this they could just chop 15-25 mins of BB Live as and when they need it. It wouldn't upset the schedules too much as i dont think anything shown after BB Live (around 1 or 2am) is prioity programming.

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Excellent idea, it also helps to build up the shows personality...
I still come back to my original point of us getting to choose the final HM's to go into the house... looking at the beginning of FA2 last night... we are already beginning to identify with our favourite student the one we like/loathe/hate/fancy before the academy proper even begins, in other words... we care about them, have a opinion about them...

Half the problem for me with BB4 was I couldn't care less about the lot of them apart from the fact 99% of them were boring and probably if it hadn't of been for the forum here and BBLB & Dermot I would of stopped watching, because I just wouldn't of cared about them...

Let us choose the final HM's that way we have a stake in it, because we put our favourites in the BB5 house...
DiscoJulian
27-07-2003
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“Originally posted by Kidradical
THIRD: Take away the books, and give them some games.

Yes, you need to give the housemates something to do to keep their minds occupied. But giving them books just means they're going to be sitting aroud reading. That doesn't lead to interaction and it certainly doesn't lead to interesting viewing. Give them playing cards, some board games, etc. -- these are naturally social activities, people still talk to each other when they're playing cards, and at the very least it could lead to arguments over rules, cheating, winning, etc. etc.

I mean, can you imagine how much more interesting it would have been to see a pitched Monopoly game, with wheeling & dealing, backstabbing, etc., rather than seeing a bunch of people sitting around reading? Or a housewide Tongo championship, maybe with the winner getting a small prize (box of chocolates, booze, etc.)? Well, you get the idea.
”

Yes. I agree 100%. They should give giant sized games like in the USA house.
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