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Top 7 Week- Mariah Carey Songs- Early Discussion Thread- USA Pace
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flashgirl
16-04-2008
Brooke: Didn't hate it, didn't think it was that great either. Think this whole genre is so far out of Brooke's comfort zone that she was always going to struggle this week. I actually really liked the beginning of the song, but the more the song built, the more she seemed to lose her way, both mentally and vocally.

Carly: Oh good lord. I wish she hadn't picked that song, and I've a nasty feeling it might go against her. Nothing was going to make her more compared to Mariah than that song and though she wasn't dreadful, Mariah she is not. Every week I really will Carly to do well as I honestly do think she has the talent but I wish she'd just relax and enjoy it - and pick the right song because when she does she's fantastic.

David A: Didn't particularly like it myself - too predictable with both song and performance, and his voice was off in places. That said, I'm not his target market, and his target market will have loved it. Got to give the boy his due, he knows (or perhaps his Dad does, if the rumours are true) who he is as an artist and who his audience are every bit as David Cook does, and he gives them exactly what they want to hear each and every week.

David C: First time since Hello that he has really wowed me. I absolutely loved it. I also loved how touched he was by the judges comments, especially Simon's. Yes, he knows he has talent, he'd be an idiot if he didn't, but it's clear that he still has insecurities about it and the judges opinions really matter to him. Anyway, I'm waffling. My fave of the night by a country mile.

Jason Castro: Ooo, actually liked this a lot more than I thought I was going to! Didn't blow me away but I definitely enjoyed it. His voice is really growing on me. I could quite happily stick a CD of his on, lie back and chill out. It's not a ground breaking sound and he's not the best vocalist ever to come out of Idol, but I think what he has to offer is extremely saleable.

Kristy Lee Cook: A prime example of what relaxing and enjoying yourself can do! She's not the strongest singer by any means but she's improving every single week and I can't believe I'm actually starting to enjoy her performances. Wouldn't buy her music but I'd like her to stick around this week.

Syesha Mercado: I think 'Yaawwwn' is the best way I can sum this up. She has a very good voice, there's no doubt about that, but for me that's where it stops. I'm not a big fan of this kind of vocal style - someone either has to offer something unique within it or be exceptionally talented and/or charismatic to hold my attention. Sadly, for me, Syesha is none of those things. It was a very good display of vocal gymnastics, but would I buy an album of her music? Unequivocally not.

Best for me was David Cook by a country mile, followed by Jason.

I thought the worst were Carly, Brooke and Syesha. I'd like to see Syesha go home because, for me, of those left she offers the least to the competition. However I think she'll stay - she may not even be bottom 3 - and either Carly or Brooke will be out.
Singy Thingy
17-04-2008
So much for the supposed shocker....Kristy was the one who deserved to go home overall, but I actually did not think she was the worst this week, and she has been getting better. This fit my previous theory of her only still being in to keep the chosen ones safe....Brooke was actually not as good this week, not even vocally, as Kristy, but it was close enough that she could be saved . I only knew Kristy was leaving because the producers obviously had this planned.
I really doubt Kristy actually got the lowest number of votes. Not between VFTW, country music fans in America, and people who were impressed that she did improve since a few weeks ago.
Jason or Syesha will probably be next regardless of how the others do...maybe Brooke, but I think they are hoping she will inherit Kristys voters..after that, the producers don't really care, so it will be harder to predict.
Hopefully Kristy will continue to improve and the Idol tour will push her closer to a successful recording/performing career in the country genre.
Claratana
17-04-2008
Brooke was dreadful this week in my opinion. Her voice sounded a bit shrill and she really did speed up towards the end.

Also didn't like David C...but I really am not a huge fan of his. Kristy's was boring as usual and Carly sounded like sha was shouting.

Now for the ones I did like. I'm not normally a huge fan of Syesha but I really quite liked hers this week.

I liked David A although he is a bit of a male equivalent of Mariah Cary, isn't he? I really liked Jason's because that is my favourite style of music...chilled and laid back.

I reckon it will be a girl who goes this week!
Chi
17-04-2008
DialIdol were wrong for the first time this season, but it was the right elimination.
superstar111
17-04-2008
I cant believe it. She did not deserve to go home, Brooke has give MUCH weaker performances. Shes bene crap since Top 11, and had shown us what she can do, Kristy had improved SO much!
Chi
17-04-2008
Originally Posted by Singy Thingy:
“David C....and the 'Daughtry treatment ' begins tonight....(hothead camera angles, amped up, extra attention to the light show)....having said that, it was vocally very good, verging on great, and for what he did with this song, very good was good enough and then some. He may be a chosen one, but this rocked(never thought 'rocked' and
'Always Be My Baby' would go in the same paragraph) in a weird way all the same, and I really really enjoyed it. Vocally smart and made the most of what he can do, interesting variations in tone,and this just totally worked. Even though the extra 'help' via 'Daughtry Treatment' was unfair, it was also unnecessary, because even without the'help' this performance would have been the best of the night.This week, he got everything right. Great job, David C!..vocally very good, performance-wise,great.”

Singy Thingy, I truest that yiu have a good musical hear and knowledge, so I would be grateful if you could give your opinion on David Foster's comments
I am not a musical expert, and I am a bit confused. Howwas it technically, good or bad?
nickynoodle167
17-04-2008
I can't believe that result

Poor VFTW
nickynoodle167
17-04-2008
I'm suspicious of that result. Dial Idol are never that far off. Maybe it was a way of crushing VFTW best contestant of the season in the same place Sanjaya left last year... hmm
LaurieMarlow
17-04-2008
It should have been Brooke. She is so weak, I can hardly believe she's made it this far
extrovertism.
17-04-2008
right person went home.

brooke can leave next week.
scotsbluebell
17-04-2008
Who was in the bottom 3 with Kristy?
peaceablegenie2
17-04-2008
Syesha and Brooke ^^
daveraleigh
17-04-2008
Can't understand why anybody is suspicious? She's been in the bottom 3 almost every week...you can only bounce back so many time.
That said...I still think it should have been Syesha. I never look at contestants week to week...I look at the overall progression. I think Kristy had the most improvement.

Oh well...on to ALW week!
babeth
17-04-2008
Originally Posted by babeth:
“Singy Thingy, thanks so much for your ever eloquent summarisation of the contestants performances. I always look forward to it.

We are almost always on the same page in terms of your assessment of their musical ability and some of the technical areas which I sometimes do not pay so much attention to.

Either way if Syesha goes tonight I will be happy with that. I believe she has a great career ahead of her.

For me and many of her fans she brought something special to the competition which is not about belting out a song so much but a beautiful tone and colour to what she sang. Above all her beautiful smile lit the room even when she was discredited. That's the essence of who she is and has to bring to her music/modeling/acting/dancing.

If my run of successful favourite AI contestants continues then I see a bright star in the making.

Regards

Babeth”


Her fan base remains strong, resilient and silent regardless of the media and on-line bashing-seathing with rage. It makes up for the constant bias and unappreciation she receives from the judges and others.

EVerything good that happens to her she deserves. She should be in her eliment next week, coming from a musical background with the arrival of Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber.

Her interpretation of 'Vanishing' was just magical as Paula described. I look forward to this week's offer.

Regards

Babeth
Singy Thingy
17-04-2008
Originally Posted by Chi:
“Singy Thingy, I truest that yiu have a good musical hear and knowledge, so I would be grateful if you could give your opinion on David Foster's comments
I am not a musical expert, and I am a bit confused. Howwas it technically, good or bad?”


I don't claim to be an 'expert', but do have experience performing and vocal coaching. I think anyone with ears and a good sense of pitch/timing/melody is more an 'expert' in this area in many ways than others could be for them, as far as what they prefer, which makes these forums interesting, as I have actually listened in new ways to performances I didn't originally like.We never stop learning or know everything.
Having said that, I think Mr Foster,as great as he is, needs to realise that his idea of 'good' is not the Alpha and Omega of musical knowledge and impeccable taste.

David C is a singer. David C had made poor choices before, but this week his singing sounded comfortable, rarely forced, when it was it was not to a degree where he'd lose his tone, and he stayed within his range. That is what I heard.I thought he did a great job all around. Not perfect, but for this style, the kind of imperfections I heard aren't a problem as long as they don't detract from the performance. His didn't, and overall it was pretty great.

It sounds to me as if 'David F' was either A) trying to seem like he had a clue about a genre of music /singer he doesn't get/like...or B) trying to discredit David C for any number of reasons , not least of which could be simply that he disliked the performance personally and wants to mold every singer he meets into a David F shaped vocalist that suits what he personally likes.
Anyway, I (speaking as a singer/songwriter/trained vocalist/vocal coach who has arranged and co-produced songs) disagree with DavidF about DavidC.
For whatever it's worth, in my 'professional' oppinion, DavidC kicked A55!!
noops
17-04-2008
Kristy's exit was way overdue.

MJ IMO was much better.

Simon seems to have it in for Carly, bet she'll be next.
Last edited by noops : 17-04-2008 at 19:44
utoia2007
17-04-2008
Originally Posted by Singy Thingy:
“David A--clear,even 'pretty', but very weak vocal . I couldn't help but notice the carefully helpful effects and mix of the vocal in the song to give the impression of a thicker tone and more power than he actually has when he attempted to belt.He retained his tone, but just barely and
only with help from Mr Soundtech.He has some agility, but not enough to manage the runs he was trying.The falsetto was frankly messy . He really showed the limmits of his voice tonight...performance wise, it was okay.vocally it was also just okay. Obvious song choice, decent job on it.Easy to see the imitative-ness of other performances from other shows.

Carly---Okay, the thing with this is, if you really listen, her vocal was about as 'naked' and effects free as it could be.She was nowhere near Mariah performance wise,not connecting enough with the song, although the performance was okay. Having said that, her vocal was extremely good.She stayed within her range and belted the right way, with power and retaining her tone . Her tone was fantastic throughout, considering how exposed her
vocal was left throughout the whole song.Good choice, okay performance, very good vocal.

Syesha---this was gorgeous, and pretty close to flawless, with just one place where she lost the melody for a second. I find it amusing that Simon is reluctant with his praise, yet he fell all over Leona , who Syesha sounded very much like and was easily as good as this week. (Both are pretty and are technically very elegant singers with beautiful tone and excellent control who are polished and have reasonably big
and similar ranges is why I made this comparison).She made a smart choice with this song that showed the best of her abilities. She looked great, too. She seemed to really get into the song, as well. Performance wise, this was good, and vocally great.

Brooke..sounds like she really is having some problems with her voice. Technically, her vocal was not good,but she has one of those unique voices where it is still enjoyable to listen to...usually....this just didn't work for her. The start was good, but toward the end, she sounded like she was in a hurry to get the performance over with. The magic just was not there, and without it, her performance just wasn't
working on any level.Vocally not good, performance wise, half good/half not good.


Kristy...vocally, this was all over the place.She needs to get control of her voice. Her tone is too brittle and thin to belt with the force she was pushing for on the chorus, and she needs to really focus to not fall off the melody on the verses. On the notes that were within her range that she heald on to, I heard a passably good voice. If she would have calmed down, left out all attempts at the melismatic parts she lacks the agility to manage, and focussed on her tone rather than trying for power, this could have been better than it was.Performance wise, she did well this week. Vocally,mix of good and awful with potential to be better.I liked that she performed this song, as it's the one I thought she'd do best at.


David C....and the 'Daughtry treatment ' begins tonight....(hothead camera angles, amped up, extra attention to the light show)....having said that, it was vocally very good, verging on great, and for what he did with this song, very good was good enough and then some. He may be a chosen one, but this rocked(never thought 'rocked' and
'Always Be My Baby' would go in the same paragraph) in a weird way all the same, and I really really enjoyed it. Vocally smart and made the most of what he can do, interesting variations in tone,and this just totally worked. Even though the extra 'help' via 'Daughtry Treatment' was unfair, it was also unnecessary, because even without the'help' this performance would have been the best of the night.This week, he got everything right. Great job, David C!..vocally very good, performance-wise,great.

Jason--bad start with the poorly executed(in both senses of the word) falsetto and pitchy notes, but improved quickly. Not bad, but nothing great here. It was like watching a busker try to impersonate Enrique Iglesius(sp?)...then he went back into the poorly done falsetto again. He did manage to perform it reasonably well. Vocal-okay, performance-reasonably good as far as playing to his target audience.:yawn:

The guys definitely had the advantage this week in being less likely to be compared to Mariah, although none really sounded similar to her. Syesha was closest to sounding Mariah-esque, but she was good enough to manage it.

Best of the night--tie between David C and Syesha. Vocally, Syesha was by far the best, but David C was vocally very good and his performance was fantastic.
Carly was next best, and the rest were just okay, although Brooke had a particularly bad week.
David A and Kristy were both okay this week in that Kristy performed well and David A was reasonably good vocally on yet another safe song choice.Jason was just kind of there.
Brooke, although I really like her, was definitely the worst this week.

Bottom 3 in my oppinion=Brooke, Jason, Kristy.Overall, any could go, but if based on this week alone, Brooke, although I like her , really let herself down and deserves to go based on that performance.

Mr Predictor, the bottom 3 isn't that shocking, there is always someone in to stir things up at this point.”


Yea i agree, this performance was as good as some of leonas best performances on xfactor. She is really technically good and has great range like leona. I dont think simon wants another diva winner because jordin and leona are out there now so sysehsa came at a bad time, a few years earlier and they would be fawning over her. I really like sysesha but the one thing that she lacks is an identifiable tone, something leona doesnt lack. I hope she stays in longer and proves them wrong, although i know she wont win. her performance of vanishing (a song of great difficulty) was outstanding imo and she didnt even get much praise for it.

I dont think that song was a good idea for carly, she doesnt have the range to pull it off and when she trys to reach certain notes- its just strained and not pleasant to watch. Her lower notes were good, just wrong song for her.

I actually thought kirsty's performance was good although the song was abit boring im sure there were better options.

David cook is one of my favorites but wasn't loving the arrangement of the song but at least he changed it up abit as he does every week. Not my favorite performance. Hes a judge fave to win now so i think the praise was abit over the top.

David A, decent vocals but he just bores me. This was no exception.

Brooke couldnt do hero any justice, wasnt keen on it.
Kyle123
17-04-2008
Syesha is very very underated. She was brilliant this week.
cotton cloth
17-04-2008
Now that's my two favourites gone in two weeks. Goodbye Kristy, we hardly knew you.
~Jane~
17-04-2008
Thank god Brooke stayed.
Chi
18-04-2008
Originally Posted by Singy Thingy:
“I don't claim to be an 'expert', but do have experience performing and vocal coaching. I think anyone with ears and a good sense of pitch/timing/melody is more an 'expert' in this area in many ways than others could be for them, as far as what they prefer, which makes these forums interesting, as I have actually listened in new ways to performances I didn't originally like.We never stop learning or know everything.
Having said that, I think Mr Foster,as great as he is, needs to realise that his idea of 'good' is not the Alpha and Omega of musical knowledge and impeccable taste.

David C is a singer. David C had made poor choices before, but this week his singing sounded comfortable, rarely forced, when it was it was not to a degree where he'd lose his tone, and he stayed within his range. That is what I heard.I thought he did a great job all around. Not perfect, but for this style, the kind of imperfections I heard aren't a problem as long as they don't detract from the performance. His didn't, and overall it was pretty great.

It sounds to me as if 'David F' was either A) trying to seem like he had a clue about a genre of music /singer he doesn't get/like...or B) trying to discredit David C for any number of reasons , not least of which could be simply that he disliked the performance personally and wants to mold every singer he meets into a David F shaped vocalist that suits what he personally likes.
Anyway, I (speaking as a singer/songwriter/trained vocalist/vocal coach who has arranged and co-produced songs) disagree with DavidF about DavidC.
For whatever it's worth, in my 'professional' oppinion, DavidC kicked A55!!”

Thank you Singy Thingy, you make my day.
satellite
18-04-2008
To be honest, I am losing interest in this years contest. Most of them are very average, even David Cook, who I really like pales in comparison to my other favourites from years gone by - Fantasia, Bo Bice, Elliott Yamin, Chris Dawtry etc. Perhaps 'Idol' is losing its magic?
superstar111
18-04-2008
Im so annoyed. Last nights performance from Kristy was AMAZING, yet Brooke, who has been consistently crap since top 12 stays? Weve seen everything from Brooke, what else can shhe offer, Kristy on the other hand was improving. Her final performance was so sad

She was going to do Dont Cry For Me Argentina Next Week
galena
18-04-2008
I was pretty appalled that 'Without you' was described as a Mariah song. The Nielson version has been a favorite of mine long before Mariah got her hands on it. I don't see how screeching your way through a much loved classic gives Mariah the right to call it one of 'her' songs! I actually preferred Carley's version, up until the chorus when it all got a bit shrieky for me ...
Sidespin Nid
18-04-2008
Kristy's studio version is pretty good
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