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Old 17-04-2008, 12:03
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Well if the competition has turned into 'who can put the blame on and undermine the best' then I hope her team turn on her next week and really F*ck her up! I will be cheering if this muppet gets fired next week.
absolutely agree its getting beyond a joke now. Although I hated seeing Simon go last night SirAlun should have fire all 3 last night and made it clear if you mess up the task on purpose you're OUT!!
However, from what we saw in the BR and throughout the day Alex and Claire (for the sake of the show's credibility) should have been made examples of. Thus sending out a warning for any future contestants who feel they can win by undermining the PM instead of helping the TEAM win the task.
Me too. She's a gobby cow with very little brain, and I really hate all the back-stabbing this series. It's fine to be ambitious and confident, but this behaviour goes beyond that. Can't stand Claire, I hope she's crucified by her team next week.
I agree with all of these points 110%

No back-stabbing qualities are good in business. These people (Claire especially, Katie last series) think they are going to win by doing it, but hopefully Sir Al will see through it - If i was him i wouldn't hire a sneaky backstabber even as an office junior.

A good employee supports his/her boss and does what they are asked to do to the best of their abilities.
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Old 17-04-2008, 12:20
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I agree with all of these points 110%

No back-stabbing qualities are good in business. These people (Claire especially, Katie last series) think they are going to win by doing it, but hopefully Sir Al will see through it - If i was him i wouldn't hire a sneaky backstabber even as an office junior.

A good employee supports his/her boss and does what they are asked to do to the best of their abilities.
I know I hate the way they all think they have to be horrible to get ahead. I can't remember which one but in the interview profile thing each contestant gives one of them said something along the lines of

"I can pretend to be nice but at heart I'm horrible", surely it's better to actually be a nice person, who sometimes has to take hard decisions

Also did you hear the silence and see the looks on the others faces when Claire announced she was going to be team leader
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Old 17-04-2008, 12:25
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I bet Claire was one of those bitches at school that hangs around with a group of other bitches and makes vulnerable peoples lives a misery. People like her should not be in the apprentice and I can't believe she was saved last night but then again she is good tv entertainment and that is what drives these shows more than anything else.
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Old 17-04-2008, 12:42
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I really don't know how she stayed last week. It seems Sir alan wants to keep the bitches in this year for entertainment. She undermines the PM at every opportunity week in week out. I hope she fails spectacularly next week, but I have a horrible feeling she will survive another week.

How anyone is supposed to win a task with her constantly sniping and shouting away is beyond me. She just goes against someone for the sake of it and to make herself certre stage, sadly it seems to work, although I don't think she has any talent and hopefully this will be discovered sooner or later
I think she stayed because Simon had to go. In Sir Alan's mind he'd given him his chance and he blew it. If Claire screws up next week she's gone. Simon seems to be a very affable chap, but completely neurotic when in charge of a task. Claire and Alex were completely unprofessional the way they undermined him and I believe that Claire did not relay the seriousness of the situation on the shop floor as she was happy for Simon to fail. Really, Simon failed because he gave Claire such a vital role. IF he'd given it to Sara he might not have failed.
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Old 17-04-2008, 14:51
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I think she stayed because Simon had to go. In Sir Alan's mind he'd given him his chance and he blew it. If Claire screws up next week she's gone. Simon seems to be a very affable chap, but completely neurotic when in charge of a task. Claire and Alex were completely unprofessional the way they undermined him and I believe that Claire did not relay the seriousness of the situation on the shop floor as she was happy for Simon to fail. Really, Simon failed because he gave Claire such a vital role. IF he'd given it to Sara he might not have failed.
I had never thought of it like that before, but what you say makes perfect sense. Simon had to go cos Siralan give him the chance to prove himself worthy & at the end of the day he couldn't hack it. So he had to go. I think if he had proved that he could do it Claire might well have gone.
I hope Claire goes next week if she fails to prove she can actually be a decent human being and work alongside people instead of just being negative.
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Old 17-04-2008, 16:56
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I think she came cross ok, I don't get what the big deal is about. The entire show is filled with self obsessed, negative and self serving people, she seems no different to the others.
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Old 17-04-2008, 17:15
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Claire seems to hate it when she's not the leader. She was narky with Sara as well, who said she just wanted to tell her to STFU - don't we all!

And I don't think Claire came across as brave in the boardroom. She came across as desperate, she was really annoying and did not know when to shut up.

She clearly rehearsed some of the things she was going to say before going into the boardroom, like the "spontaneously combust" comment about Simon. She even repeated this exact phrase in an interview with the camera crew people, it was shown on You've Been Fired. I think she's trying to be the new Katie and she thinks she's really witty and funny. She's not, she's just a stupid bitch.
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Old 17-04-2008, 17:20
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I think she stayed because Simon had to go. In Sir Alan's mind he'd given him his chance and he blew it. If Claire screws up next week she's gone. Simon seems to be a very affable chap, but completely neurotic when in charge of a task. Claire and Alex were completely unprofessional the way they undermined him and I believe that Claire did not relay the seriousness of the situation on the shop floor as she was happy for Simon to fail. Really, Simon failed because he gave Claire such a vital role. IF he'd given it to Sara he might not have failed.
Exactly.

Alas poor Simon didn't know how to handle the agendas of Claire and Alex Simon who from the start of the task had no respect for Simon and clearly thought that under his leadership they were doomed to failure and they had to identify the scapegoat from the start.

Simon didn't realise he had to keep those two under close observation and crucially he should have given Sara an important role whereas her positive contribution was wasted in some minor role subordinate to himself. She didn't need to be supervised, the other two did, alas, as he explained in the your fired programme, he had some strange strategy of putting the people who were most intent on undermining him in crucial roles. Baaaaaaaaddd ideaaaaa!
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Old 17-04-2008, 17:54
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I think she stayed because Simon had to go. In Sir Alan's mind he'd given him his chance and he blew it. If Claire screws up next week she's gone. Simon seems to be a very affable chap, but completely neurotic when in charge of a task. Claire and Alex were completely unprofessional the way they undermined him and I believe that Claire did not relay the seriousness of the situation on the shop floor as she was happy for Simon to fail. Really, Simon failed because he gave Claire such a vital role. IF he'd given it to Sara he might not have failed.
I agree with what you're saying. Though Simon seemed like one of very few decent people in there, he was the right person to be fired, as essentially he didn't lead well. From what we saw, it didn't seem like Claire properly told Alex and Jenny just how bad it was all getting, all i remember seeing was her telling them simon's stressing out and its like he's on drugs, but to me it seemed like that was just her trying to undermine him, constantly picking on the fact he's 'emotional'. However, Alex was lying when he said he had no idea, he just didn't know to the full exnent how bad it had turned.
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Old 17-04-2008, 18:59
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Last week she undermined Sara, and this week it was Simon.

What a nasty piece of work she is.


Oh, and she's a right blob.
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Old 17-04-2008, 19:18
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She was not particularly supportive I didn't think - she and Alex were very snidey towards Simon and seemed to me to want the task to fail as Simon was the Team Leader - so they knew he would be in the firing line. However - even though I think her card is marked by SAS - I could see why he fired Simon - he is looking at it from a business point of view and like he said Simon is a grafter but not a leader. Nice guy though and he came over well on 'your're fired'.
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Old 17-04-2008, 19:31
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I would have asked for a refund if I was on a holiday where Claire was a holiday rep. Mind you, I wouldn't choose to go on an 18-30s holiday. Ghastly person.
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Old 19-04-2008, 19:37
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She's a gobby cow with very little brain
Do you think she is stupid? Why? It seemed to me she led well on the first task (in the worst circumstances), had good points about the Bollywood theme in the pub grub task. And she was right about Simon being autocratic (and it wasn't just her and Alex saying it), and about the photo tracking going wrong, and about almost everything else. She's a strong candidate. Her only problem is that she knows it, and sometimes lacks humility when dealing with people less able than herself.
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Old 19-04-2008, 22:49
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Do you think she is stupid? Why? It seemed to me she led well on the first task (in the worst circumstances), had good points about the Bollywood theme in the pub grub task. And she was right about Simon being autocratic (and it wasn't just her and Alex saying it), and about the photo tracking going wrong, and about almost everything else. She's a strong candidate. Her only problem is that she knows it, and sometimes lacks humility when dealing with people less able than herself.
She's stupid enough to display her bitchy machinations on screen and in front of Margaret/Nick...hence she was pulled up on it and floundered. She is semi-smart in a business style but not hugely - she thought Sara's Bollywood would not work, but it did so she's not a goof projector either.
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Old 20-04-2008, 13:25
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One of her criticisms of Sara's Bollywood is that they would have trouble with the exotic cooking. As they did. It led to them having to cancel lunch. If the boy's team hadn't self-destructed so spectacularly, failing to serve lunch could easily have cost the girls the task. So Claire was actually right there.

Machinations? What machinations? She's been free with her criticisms, but she's also worked hard on the tasks and done her best to support her project leader with her helpful advice. She may not be very self-aware as to how she comes across, but I wouldn't call her stupid.
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Old 20-04-2008, 13:47
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One of her criticisms of Sara's Bollywood is that they would have trouble with the exotic cooking. As they did. It led to them having to cancel lunch. If the boy's team hadn't self-destructed so spectacularly, failing to serve lunch could easily have cost the girls the task. So Claire was actually right there.
I actually think Claire made a number of sound points in the Bollywood task.

Sara was so hellbent on going ahead with this theme that she shut her brain down to the practicalities, i.e. none of them had had any experience of cooking Indian food.

It was only because the boys made a mess of their budget that the girls took the victory.
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Old 20-04-2008, 14:35
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Personally, I think it's viewing figures. Can't see any other reason, even the 2 who work for him didn't have a good word to say about her
I agree with you, it is all down to viewing figures, Alex is kept for the female watchers because twice he has been in the BR and twice he could have been fired


Claire's tactic is to constantly undermine and belittle whichever team leader there is. She also has the flattest, dullest voice I've heard.
I think she is rude and obnixious to others expecially Simon, definately not a team player but a team breaker


Excellent post.

As much as I liked Simon I think his naivety showed through last night and "probably" deserved to go. However, from what we saw in the BR and throughout the day Alex and Claire (for the sake of the show's credibility) should have been made examples of. Thus sending out a warning for any future contestants who feel they can win by undermining the PM instead of helping the TEAM win the task.
I think Cliare or Alex should have gone because they clearly showed they did not know how to work as pasrt of a team, they are kept for their viewing potential only
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Old 20-04-2008, 17:48
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One of her criticisms of Sara's Bollywood is that they would have trouble with the exotic cooking. As they did. It led to them having to cancel lunch. If the boy's team hadn't self-destructed so spectacularly, failing to serve lunch could easily have cost the girls the task. So Claire was actually right there.

Machinations? What machinations? She's been free with her criticisms, but she's also worked hard on the tasks and done her best to support her project leader with her helpful advice. She may not be very self-aware as to how she comes across, but I wouldn't call her stupid.
I tend to agree with this post. I wouldn't say that Claire is someone I would choose as a friend, as she doesn't have an instantly attractive personality, but I think she did have some valid points.

Some candidates can have a tendency to stay quiet and give the project manager enough rope. To me that is worse than being bolshie and speaking up. A lot of projects fail in business because someone didn't speak up at the right time.

To me Alex was more culpable. He was sulky and less constructive in providing support to Simon.
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Old 20-04-2008, 17:55
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But I didn't see her giving Simon her wholehearted support. Amazed SAS didn't boot her out

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Old 20-04-2008, 19:39
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Oh dear! Talk about your past coming back to hunt you.

It was a long time ago-I do not think it bears any relevance.


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Old 21-04-2008, 00:28
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shes a rude and condecending cow

siralan knows this and has set her up for a fall next week
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Old 21-04-2008, 11:42
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I'm a bit nervous about starting this thread as all my mates detest Claire, but I didn't think she was too bad last night! She was the only one brave enough to stick her head above the parapet when she thought something was wrong, and she was the only one to confront Simon when he went at the whole project like a bull in a china shop.

Granted, she doesn't know when to drop it and can be really annoying, but I think Simon was the right one to go on this occasion... (hides)
I liked her a lot, as some on these boards know I have defended before. Sadly after last week, she is now down there with the likes of Helene and Kevin. She is a rude, aggressive and pushy biatch that needs to be slapped down. I think she was inches away from being fired last week, it was just that last minute guff that saved her.
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