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Old 15-06-2011, 17:25
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Wolves wage bill is considerably lower and we're still in the Premier League.

This injury myth is another thing. Dann and Zigic were injured, that was about it, every club has injuries.
From May 2011:

Alex McLeish admits a lengthy injury list has taken its toll on Birmingham who face a last-day battle to preserve their Barclays Premier League status.

The Carling Cup holders are only above the bottom three on goal difference after a 2-0 home reversal against Fulham via Brede Hangeland's brace.

They were without eight players before kick off and lost four more - Lee Bowyer, Martin Jiranek, Alexander Hleb and Stuart Parnaby - during the game to end with 10 men.
It was no secret that the injuries were mounting. I think Birmingham will come back up though. Remember Wolves were at one point in the relegation positions, so it isn't like you were 10 points clear.
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Old 15-06-2011, 17:55
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What bollocks are Sky Sports talking? They're making it look like 20 odd folk are at the protest. I have 5 mates at it who reckon there is well over 300 and plenty coming down the road. West Midlands Radio are reporting it is close to 500.

Sky Sports is a pile of shite.
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Old 15-06-2011, 18:17
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I just hope there's no trouble at the protest. If there is, it's going to drag our name through the mud even more.
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Old 15-06-2011, 18:52
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Over 1,000 people and an ice cream van.
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Old 15-06-2011, 19:20
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Decent turnout then. I just hope it makes a difference.
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Old 15-06-2011, 20:01
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But the next manager even if it was Mourinho would be without Young etc. Bent will get you goals, even if the service is iffy (like it was at Sunderland). A Downing or Young can be replaced, but Bent's goals are why he was worth what he cost. In my opinion I'd have liked to have seen a Holloway type at Villa, but McLeish will bring that gritty determination to the team if he goes there.


...only if lerner allows the manager to replace the pair of them,with players of the same quality and not attempt to build a side on the cheap....a striker is only as good as the players around him...if those players are of inferior quality then you could put lionel messi in there,but if the rest are shite,you're still gonna struggle for consistency and ultimately,be fighting relegation
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Old 15-06-2011, 23:13
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It's about 90% happening now. I still can't get over it. It just makes no sense. What a dark day for the Villa.
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Old 15-06-2011, 23:43
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Wolves spent about the same amount. Finishing 9th should have been something that was built on, but the lack of investment and injuries killed them.
August 2009 onwards ..

Birmingham have paid out £36.5 million on players.
Wolves have paid out £26.2 million on players.

Wigan have paid out £15.8 million on players
West Brom have paid out £13.7 million on players
Bolton have paid out £13.5 million on players

Source: Transfer League
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Old 15-06-2011, 23:45
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Hopefully the fans get on Lerners back and he sells up and pisses away back to America. Judas ****.
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Old 15-06-2011, 23:47
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Out of interest - would you guys be ok with him if his record was great? Is it just the Birmingham connection that puts you off?
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Old 16-06-2011, 00:00
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Out of interest - would you guys be ok with him if his record was great? Is it just the Birmingham connection that puts you off?
I honestly couldn't give a crap about the Birmingham connection. Like if Villas Boas came from Birmingham to us, I would be thrilled.

It's the fact he relegated a team twice in three seasons in the PL, he plays pure negative football, he's no good in the transfer market and never uses youngsters.

The worst part is we have to pay him when there's better free agents out there. It's the worst appointment I've ever seen.
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Old 16-06-2011, 00:02
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Out of interest - would you guys be ok with him if his record was great? Is it just the Birmingham connection that puts you off?
Absolutely not.

The fact is he is atrocious. He was awful at Hibs, Motherwell and relegated twice with City.
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Old 16-06-2011, 00:09
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See - this is why I'm very confused.

I don't think he's terrible - he's done some good things and some bad things. His win ratio in the PL is about 30% though - well below your last two or three managers and well below the other guys you've been linked with. If you then add the Birmingham connection it seems an odd choice.

I dunno - it will be an interesting thing to watch if he gets it (from the outside at least!)
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Old 16-06-2011, 07:46
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From May 2011:



It was no secret that the injuries were mounting. I think Birmingham will come back up though. Remember Wolves were at one point in the relegation positions, so it isn't like you were 10 points clear.
Wolves didn't get relegated though.

All teams have injuries, to blame a whole season on a few injuries is just making excuses. The season before was a freak season because they were able to field the same back 5 for nearly every match.
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Old 16-06-2011, 07:47
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August 2009 onwards ..

Birmingham have paid out £36.5 million on players.
Wolves have paid out £26.2 million on players.

Wigan have paid out £15.8 million on players
West Brom have paid out £13.7 million on players
Bolton have paid out £13.5 million on players

Source: Transfer League
Plus Birmingham's wage bill is way higher than Wolves and West Brom and probably Wigan as well.

Bear in mind as well that he took over a Premier League team and kept a lot of the players, Wolves and West Brom have had to build.
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Old 16-06-2011, 11:33
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Out of interest - would you guys be ok with him if his record was great? Is it just the Birmingham connection that puts you off?
My personal issue with the situation isn't entirely with McLeish, it's also with the board.

They've ruled out two perfectly respectable (if unpopular) candidates in Hughes and McClaren. Hughes, because they didn't like the way he left Fulham, and McClaren because a few fans protested against his appointment on message boards. Yet McLeish left Birmingham in far more acrimonious circumstances, and there have been far more vocal protests against his appointment. It's utter hypocrisy.

McLeish himself-I'm not impressed that he took a team from 9th to relegation in one season while playing some horrendous football. The fact he's an ex-Blues manager is actually a very minor issue for me.
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Old 16-06-2011, 11:56
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It was reported that lerner decided against McClaren because he saw how much fans were against it so surely he knows hiring McLeish will be even worse.
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Old 16-06-2011, 12:38
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It was reported that lerner decided against McClaren because he saw how much fans were against it so surely he knows hiring McLeish will be even worse.

...mclaren must be well miffed that lerner clearly fabricated the reason for not appointing him citing the fan's unrest as a "get out of jail free card "..villa's expectations have clearly been lowered since lerner took over... from a side that was on the verge of the champion's league,under o'niell, to one that can't hold on to their best players and have settled for mid table mediocrity...characterised by the pursuit of managers that can do a holding job on the cheap

it's all a bit sad really
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Old 16-06-2011, 12:53
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...mclaren must be well miffed that lerner clearly fabricated the reason for not appointing him citing the fan's unrest as a "get out of jail free card "..villa's expectations have clearly been lowered since lerner took over... from a side that was on the verge of the champion's league,under o'niell, to one that can't hold on to their best players and have settled for mid table mediocrity...characterised by the pursuit of managers that can do a holding job on the cheap

it's all a bit sad really
Well im not a villa supporter but thought they were going in the right direction under o`neil. Mcleish has done nothing in the prem and i don`t see villa moving forward under him. the more people protest the more he`ll want the job. he`ll see it has the biggest challenge in his career. whether he`ll win fans over even if they finsh in top 6 i don`t know. only time will tell.
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Old 16-06-2011, 13:07
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Well im not a villa supporter but thought they were going in the right direction under o`neil. Mcleish has done nothing in the prem and i don`t see villa moving forward under him. the more people protest the more he`ll want the job. he`ll see it has the biggest challenge in his career. whether he`ll win fans over even if they finsh in top 6 i don`t know. only time will tell.


...unfortunately,o'niell,for all his good work,gave villa aspirations and a " big club " mentality...which clearly isn't shared by the pragmatic lerner who seems intent on extinguishing what little hope they had left of moving forward with his bizarre pursuit of the banal

...newcastle went down the same road.....incessant turnover of managers and staff and no stability within the club...and look what happened to them
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Old 16-06-2011, 13:27
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Yeah right, clueless but has won 3 trophies in a season and many a French league trophy too, titles included.
Compared to the league they are minor competitions. He signed Pires for Vlla when he was 37, I mean come on.
So compared to the league they are minor competitions yet Mcleish hasnt done anything in the league so I still dont get your argument. Using one back up free signing is hardly reason to malign him and big up Mcleish in comparison come on......On looking at boths records its not Houllier who'd come out clueless, I mean Rangers trophies were always in a two horse race too.
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Old 16-06-2011, 13:58
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He's not even a good manager. Mick McCarthy has kept Wolves up two years in a row having built the team from nothing on a much lower budget than McLeish and playing better football, why aren't Villa considering him?
There's no way McCarthy would leave Wolves for Villa unless he was sacked.
The team there is his which he built up himself, he has a very good relationship with the chairman and the board. infact they seem to let him get on with his job and the most important thing is..... the fans love him.

tell me why on earth he would give that up?
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Old 16-06-2011, 14:37
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There's no way McCarthy would leave Wolves for Villa unless he was sacked.
The team there is his which he built up himself, he has a very good relationship with the chairman and the board. infact they seem to let him get on with his job and the most important thing is..... the fans love him.

tell me why on earth he would give that up?


...for mid table mediocrity rather than the annual relegation dog fight ?
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Old 16-06-2011, 15:46
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There's no way McCarthy would leave Wolves for Villa unless he was sacked.
The team there is his which he built up himself, he has a very good relationship with the chairman and the board. infact they seem to let him get on with his job and the most important thing is..... the fans love him.

tell me why on earth he would give that up?
Well the question was really have they approached him? There was talk of all sorts of managers but his name has never been mentioned.
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Old 16-06-2011, 17:07
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August 2009 onwards ..

Birmingham have paid out £36.5 million on players.
Wolves have paid out £26.2 million on players.

Wigan have paid out £15.8 million on players
West Brom have paid out £13.7 million on players
Bolton have paid out £13.5 million on players

Source: Transfer League
Wolves spent a fair whack getting into the Premier League though and outspent Birmingham about 6:1. What McLeish was promised and what he spent isn't a lot for what he achieved.

He deserves a chance at Villa, if he's no good replace him at Xmas.
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