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Old 01-11-2008, 20:00
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Arsenal's flop today at Stoke is part of my case in point. Its never a bad day when Liverpool cock it up as well.

I would expect Villa to be good enough to polish Newcastle off so I will watch with interest on Monday.
It will be interesting. Villa normally struggle to get out of the 20s point-wise though, and we also normally struggle in the winter. Hopefully we can reverse those trends.
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Old 01-11-2008, 20:04
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Man U up to 3rd and a game in hand ..ouch


I think a draw is in the offing for Monday as we are away
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Old 01-11-2008, 20:35
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I wouldn't be too dissatisfied with a draw on Monday as long as we get 3 against Boro the following week to keep in contention for 4th. Although we should really beat Newcastle we seem to make hard work of the games we expect to win so i'm not counting my chickens yet.
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Old 01-11-2008, 21:06
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Only 800 away fans on Monday, bit disappointing?
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Old 01-11-2008, 21:36
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Only 800 away fans on Monday, bit disappointing?
Monday night game , live on Setanta , against the lowly toon

What were you expecting a full house ?
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Old 01-11-2008, 21:44
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Only 800 away fans on Monday, bit disappointing?
Newcastle had a lot of noshows for the WBA game last Tuesday, to be fair.
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Old 01-11-2008, 21:59
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Only 800 away fans on Monday, bit disappointing?
It's not like it's just down the road, it's on a Monday night and it's also on TV. I don't know why you'd be surprised that there's so few going up there.
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Old 01-11-2008, 22:54
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It's not like it's just down the road, it's on a Monday night and it's also on TV. I don't know why you'd be surprised that there's so few going up there.
It'll no doubt be chucking it down too.

I remember you played them a few years ago on a Monday night up there - if I recall, you lost 4-3 but Dwight Yorke scored a hattrick.

I imagine this game is unlikely to be as exciting but equally one I think Villa will win.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:08
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It's not like it's just down the road, it's on a Monday night and it's also on TV. I don't know why you'd be surprised that there's so few going up there.
I am surprised to be honest, I'm not a Newcastle fan btw lowly Hartlepool (though we took more to Leyton Orient today than you are bringing to Newcastle )

You are playing good football (from what I've seen) 5th in the league, nice stadium to visit, good city

From what I recall, Bolton took more fans up!

I just expected a bit more dedication from Villa fans tbh, poor showing imo. Very poor but perhaps the credit crunch doth strike. Noticed a huge drop in away attendance for a lot of teams when I've looked into it.

Anyway, 800, its poor!! Your a big big club!
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:21
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I am surprised to be honest, I'm not a Newcastle fan btw lowly Hartlepool (though we took more to Leyton Orient today than you are bringing to Newcastle )

You are playing good football (from what I've seen) 5th in the league, nice stadium to visit, good city

From what I recall, Bolton took more fans up!

I just expected a bit more dedication from Villa fans tbh, poor showing imo. Very poor but perhaps the credit crunch doth strike. Noticed a huge drop in away attendance for a lot of teams when I've looked into it.

Anyway, 800, its poor!! Your a big big club!
I don't agree with you at all, I think 800 is about right given the timing, the journey and the probable weather.

Villa are noted for having one of the loudest and best away followings we get at Goodison. When they got the old and not too much missed Park End to themselves, it used to be absolutely rocking.
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Old 02-11-2008, 01:58
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I am surprised to be honest, I'm not a Newcastle fan btw lowly Hartlepool (though we took more to Leyton Orient today than you are bringing to Newcastle )
I know you're not a Newcastle fan, however, you do more often than not find yourself defending them.

Anyway I'm not sure if you genuinely believe this or if you're just spoling for an argument. Regardless, I don't think you're being realistic. Just because we're not descending en masse to a Monday night game in dreary Newcastle doesn't mean our fans aren't dedicated.

When the game is on TV and you could just as easily go down the pub and watch it with your mates, I don't know why it's come as a surprise. I wonder how many fans of any club, not just Villa, would be prepared to book a day (an afternoon at the very least) off work; embark on a 4 hour car journey in probably indifferent weather, heading into rush hour traffic; make the same 4 hour journey back home, arriving in the early hours and then having to go to work the next day; and all this, for a game against a relegation threatened club who aren't playing attractive football at all.

When the game is on TV anyway, are you really surprised there's "only 800" going? Newcastle fans themselves seem to have stayed away from a fair few matches lately anyway.
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:38
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Hartlepool (though we took more to Leyton Orient today than you are bringing to Newcastle )

Makes me wonder how many Hartlepool fans actually went to LO

Looking at the fixture , on a Saturday afternoon , close enough to have a Friday or Saturday night out in the smoke and less than 3,700 from both sides turned up , you'll be telling us next that 3,000 were travelling fans and only 700 were O fans
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Old 03-11-2008, 21:58
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November blues/20-something points curse strikes again...

An atrocious second half performance. After that leg swinger from Martins, our heads dropped and we never looked like getting back into it. Unfortunately our worst performance of the season coincided with Newcastle's best.

I feel we're a little one dimensional going forward. It's alright having the big guys up front to knock the ball up to, however, we should use the midfield at least occasionally. It's too predictable for Laursen and Cuellar to just keep chipping the ball up to Carew and Gabby. Even the poorest defences will be able to adjust and cope with that.

Our best player tonight by far was Luke Young, but players like Barry, Reo-Coker, Shorey and Carew didn't deliver at all. Carew actually started off OK, but after about 20 minutes, I can't think of too much he did well. I can't finish this paragraph off without mentioning Gabby, who, for all his pace and potential, is worryingly poor in front of goal when he has time to think about things. People talk about him being in the England squad but apart from his sheer pace, I don't see what he would really bring to the table.

This defeat was worrying for the manner of it more than anything. Hopefully we can rebuild in Prague on Thursday and take some momentum into the Boro game on Sunday.
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Old 03-11-2008, 21:58
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Hmmm well i knew i would be right not to count my chickens too early about us gettin something from this game. We paid for not taking our chances in the first half when we were on top. Second half was as poor as i've seen us play for a long time. We were second to every 50/50 all over the pitch and seemed to lack any urgency. I know newcastle didn't really create much either but they seemed to want it alot more than we did and we got we deserved.
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Old 03-11-2008, 22:34
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Man U up to 3rd and a game in hand ..ouch


I think a draw is in the offing for Monday as we are away

Not even a draw

JK looks like an inspired temporary manager
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Old 06-11-2008, 21:38
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Hard fought and lucky in some respects, but a point away from the knockout phase. Fantastic

Carew's got to pull his finger out though. I know he 'scored' the goal, but he's just so lazy and he's not even holding the ball up when it goes up front.
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Old 06-11-2008, 21:59
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does anyone else feel safe when guzan is in goal?
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Old 06-11-2008, 22:53
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Hard fought and lucky in some respects, but a point away from the knockout phase. Fantastic

Carew's got to pull his finger out though. I know he 'scored' the goal, but he's just so lazy and he's not even holding the ball up when it goes up front.
Agreed , Carew looked like a leaden footed player today ,I don't think he was tired , just not interested , maybe he had been to the laptop club once again ?

I agree he seemed very lazy , and this was shown by P Nevin on CH5 at half time

does anyone else feel safe when guzan is in goal?

I am happy with the guy , why aren't you ?
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Old 07-11-2008, 00:40
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Not our greatest performance by any means, but with all the changes made and after the result on Monday night i'd have definitely taken a 1-0 tonight regardless of the performance.
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:00
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Not our greatest performance by any means, but with all the changes made and after the result on Monday night i'd have definitely taken a 1-0 tonight regardless of the performance.
What about Carews canter through this game ?

He needs a rocket up his derrière, maybe a couple of games on the bench or a word in his ear , he seems very complacent and seems to think he is the first name on the team list , so he as no worries .
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Old 07-11-2008, 13:10
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What about Carews canter through this game ?

He needs a rocket up his derrière, maybe a couple of games on the bench or a word in his ear , he seems very complacent and seems to think he is the first name on the team list , so he as no worries .
The problem is that he is untouchable at the moment with MON's reluctance to sign another decent striker to compete with him and gabby for a first team spot. This is why i was so annoyed that we never went in for Defoe in january when we had the chance as a 20 goal a season predator is what we really lack IMO. When we have our strongest side out MON often plays the 11 that started for the full 90 minutes and very rarely changes the strikers and I don't think were anywhere near as effective either when Carew isn't playing.
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Old 07-11-2008, 20:27
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He may be untouchable at the moment , come the transfer window I think we need to bring in a "Good " class alternative .

Marlon is not an alternative , maybe Doyle @ Reading is , he has scored a few goals this season in the lower league

Mon is good at getting average players to improve , I think this is the area he needs to look at , when Carew is interested he is a great target man , sadly his commitment is lacking at the moment
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Old 08-11-2008, 00:38
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Defoe's a quality striker and he's better than anything we've got, but with the way we play, I don't see where he would fit into the team at all.

When we play 4-5-1/4-3-3, the guy at the front has to be able to hold the ball up and be a physical presence. That is Carew's biggest asset, so it makes sense for him to play there. However, if he gets injured, it isn't out of the question that Gabby can play there, as he has shown over recent weeks because of Carew's antics off the field. But there's no way Defoe could do that job, he isn't tall enough, he isn't strong enough, and his link-up play isn't good enough.

When we play 4-4-2, the problem would be that we'd have to drop Gabby and play Defoe alongside Carew, which I wouldn't particularly like to do as for all his faults, Gabby's contributions over the last couple of seasons have been pretty big. Again, with us playing so direct, we'd only really have Carew to aim at, which restricts us a fair bit because defenders will just hang around him - at least with Gabby, we have a chance of getting flick-ons or outmuscling defenders if it goes towards him.

So I like Defoe, but I really couldn't see him fitting into our current system, and I wouldn't want us to change the way we play just to accommodate one player. Doyle could possibly be an option as he is built a little thicker than Defoe - he's nowhere near as lethal in the box though.

Guzan was very good the other night by the way, I was very impressed.
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:18
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It strikes me there is a bit of harsh stick coming Carew's way on this thread.

Only a few weeks ago he was being lauded for a fantastic contribution. Now he goes to a lap dancing club and a few dodgy performances later, its being used to criticise him. I do agree with cooperman though, he needs a bit of a boot in the backside.

In the bigger picture, I think Carew is critical to Villa's style of play. He kind of occupies people freeing room for others and has fine technical skills.

I am equally confused as to how some of you lot think Doyle will somehow be an improvement too. If you are looking for a championship striker, I would not look too much further than Sylvain Ebanks-Blake if you want to add to the firepower. But I think Villa could be looking for someone a bit better than him too.

Yesterday the result was more important than the performance. Villa could go an awful long way in the UEFA Cup, in my opinion.

I also agree with cooperman and demo on Guzan. He looks a very capable reserve to me.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:43
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I think M o n needs to pull him to one side and sort things out , it seems Carew thought he had a "Good" reason / explanation to be in a Laptop club @ 1am when he wasn't playing for Villa as he was suffering from fatigue ,whilst Mon didn't .

Carew seems to be festering his feelings because of this incident and the scale of the fine .

I don't think Mon is the kind of manager to cross and would be more than happy to see the old Carew turn up .

We definitely need a striker in the Jan transfer window , it seems MH doesn't fit into the set up except as a super sub .
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