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Apple iphone on pay as you go
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TRIPLE_H_WWE_CHAMP
22-04-2008
can you buy the iphone on 02 pay as you go. i read that you can get it for £ 169
MarkElkington
22-04-2008
Nope, Its £169 on a £35 per month contract.
paulj48
22-04-2008
You cant buy an Iphone on PAYG, but you can buy one, unlock it with Ziphone and then use it with a PAYG sim.

When you buy the Iphone you dont enter into the contract untill you activate it at home with Itunes, if you dont do this no contract exists.
hyperlogic18
22-04-2008
I've got one, on PAYG, unlocked obviously..The only "drawback" is no visual voicemail but not a big deal for me. Buy one, you'll love it, best thing i've ever bought
moisie
22-04-2008
The simple answer is that it can technically be done, but not officially.
MarkElkington
23-04-2008
And it'll cost you a damn sight more than £169...
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by MarkElkington:
“And it'll cost you a damn sight more than £169...”

How exactly, can you explain what you mean?

8GB Iphone is £169 from Carphone wharehouse or the O2 shop, software to unlock is free and very easy to use and find.
prking
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by paulj48:
“How exactly, can you explain what you mean?

8GB Iphone is £169 from Carphone wharehouse or the O2 shop, software to unlock is free and very easy to use and find.”

Various "independent" phone shops are selling iPhones unlocked and with Pay as You Go SIMS. (They do this for the many people who don't frequent forums etc.) It will cost much more than £169, I've seen them for £450.
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by prking:
“Various "independent" phone shops are selling iPhones unlocked and with Pay as You Go SIMS. (They do this for the many people who don't frequent forums etc.) It will cost much more than £169, I've seen them for £450.”

Yes but the Op has frequented this forum, so telling him it will cost much more than £169 is unconstructive in this situation.
pauljl
23-04-2008
A total idiot can unlock an iPhone with ZiPhone by just pressing Do It All

I should know i unlocked mine
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by pauljl:
“A total idiot can unlock an iPhone with ZiPhone by just pressing Do It All

I should know i unlocked mine”

did you know you downgraded your bootloader in the process? and that ziphone has caused a lot of problems?
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“did you know you downgraded your bootloader in the process? and that ziphone has caused a lot of problems?”

You've mentioned this in another thread about Iphones, can you explain how downgrading the bootloader will have an impact on using an unlocked Iphone?

Plus are you sure that the latest V3 Ziphone actually downgrades the bootloader as its now listed as a seperate optional function in the program.
prking
23-04-2008
This is exactly the sort of reason that people don't unlock their own phones. We got two "experts" here who disagree. You can see why people would rather just buy one from somehwere they can take it back if problems develop.
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by prking:
“This is exactly the sort of reason that people don't unlock their own phones. We got two "experts" here who disagree.”

I'm certainly no 'expert' when it comes to Iphones, and I've never stated that I am.

I've also never said that I disagree with Sananda, I'm just trying to get a bit more of an explaination to her statements.

I'd also be interested to know why Sananda is so against unlocking the Iphone, Sananda do you work in the industry?
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by paulj48:
“You've mentioned this in another thread about Iphones, can you explain how downgrading the bootloader will have an impact on using an unlocked Iphone?

Plus are you sure that the latest V3 Ziphone actually downgrades the bootloader as its now listed as a seperate optional function in the program.”

it shouldn't effect your present usability at all. however, your bootloader will not be the correct version when compared to your serial number. it will be obvious that your phone has been unlocked. it may be that in future you are locked out from itunes.

i can see the option to downgrade in ziphone 3 in the advanced panel but AFAIK it is automatic in the one click option.
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by prking:
“We got two "experts" here who disagree..”

i'm not an expert either.


Originally Posted by paulj48:
“I'm certainly no 'expert' when it comes to Iphones, and I've never stated that I am.

I've also never said that I disagree with Sananda, I'm just trying to get a bit more of an explaination to her statements.

I'd also be interested to know why Sananda is so against unlocking the Iphone, Sananda do you work in the industry?”

i'm not against unlocking the iphone. i was using an unlocked iphone for four months. i'm just a bit concerned about ziphone. there were so many threads in macrumors about problems using it. apparently, it does everything in one go which is not the best idea. pwnage (if using a mac) seems to be the recommended unlocking method at the moment. it doesn't downgrade your bootloader and it does activate and unlock in one pass. plus it will upgrade your bootloader if you have previously used ziphone.

and i'm a man
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“
and i'm a man”

Sorry misread Sananda

Your not the 80's singer Terence Trent D'Arby by the way are you?
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by paulj48:
“Sorry misread Sananda

Your not the 80's singer Terence Trent D'Arby by the way are you?”

i couldn't possibly say. but if i could i might say that i had released albums in the 90s an 00s aswell
paulj48
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“i couldn't possibly say. but if i could i might say that i had released albums in the 90s an 00s aswell ”

I'll take that as a no then.
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by paulj48:
“I'll take that as a no then.”

i would if i were you
pauljl
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“did you know you downgraded your bootloader in the process? and that ziphone has caused a lot of problems?”

Yes

Yes if you dont do a clean install (but i have not had any problems with my iPhone as i used V3 on a clean iPhone)

Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“it shouldn't effect your present usability at all. however, your bootloader will not be the correct version when compared to your serial number. it will be obvious that your phone has been unlocked. it may be that in future you are locked out from itunes.”

Then i would use BootNeuter on the iPhone to change it from 3.9 (which it is still at) to 4.6

If they did change it what would happen to the millions of iPhone users who bought their iPhone on launch who still have a 3.9 bootloader

Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“pwnage (if using a mac) seems to be the recommended unlocking method at the moment. it doesn't downgrade your bootloader and it does activate and unlock in one pass. plus it will upgrade your bootloader if you have previously used ziphone.
”

But if we are on windows we cant use it and apparently people who use iliberty or iplus have just as many problems as using ZiPhone
jagardner1984
23-04-2008
There are so many of these threads here and elsewhere. The way I see it, as an iPhone user on an iPhone contract, Apple developed these phones, and have advertised them as only being available under certain contracts on certain networks, worldwide. There are various reasons for this, ranging from the fact that the iPhone uses data on the network automatically, to seemless syncing with iTunes. All I can say, it that in my experience it works utterly seemlessly.

Each time I read about iPhone problems, it is because people have unlocked the phones, hacked the phones, put them on other tariffs and then seem annoyed because the phone, for example, connects to the mobile data network, incurring them large charges. When I read such stories, I just think, well if you hadn't unlocked the phone, you wouldn't have such difficulties ...
Mr Cable
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by TRIPLE_H_WWE_CHAMP:
“can you buy the iphone on 02 pay as you go. i read that you can get it for £ 169”

Quick Answer - No. Not if you don't want to have to carry out any fiddling that by doing so will invalidate your warranty.
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by pauljl:
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Then i would use BootNeuter on the iPhone to change it from 3.9 (which it is still at) to 4.6

If they did change it what would happen to the millions of iPhone users who bought their iPhone on launch who still have a 3.9 bootloader



But if we are on windows we cant use it and apparently people who use iliberty or iplus have just as many problems as using ZiPhone”

the point i was making is that there would be a mismatch between your recent serial number and your bootloader. no iphones sold in this country came with bootloader 3.9. but as you say, you can use bootneuter.

i think there is a beta of pwnage for windows.
withnail 73
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by prking:
“This is exactly the sort of reason that people don't unlock their own phones. We got two "experts" here who disagree. You can see why people would rather just buy one from somehwere they can take it back if problems develop.”


F@cking right. There are WAY too many conflicting opinions regarding unlocking/jailbreaking/bootloaders.

Its too difficult to get a straight answer to a lot of jailbreaking issues such as youtube, edge, whatever.

Its too much hassle and I decided to unjailbreak as I didnt want a phone I had to spend shed loads of time 'fixing'.

I'd rather depend on Apple for my software updates than some sweaty techie who uses words like 'PWNAGE'.

Cheers. That is all.
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