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Apple iphone on pay as you go
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Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
i think we're just yacking about the best way to unlock. on the whole unlocking's pretty easy and trouble free. bit of the course, the easiest way is to take the contract. i just don't fancy being in the situation i was in a couple of years ago of paying monthly for a phone contract while being in another country for a few months. at least then i could put in a local sim.
withnail 73
23-04-2008
With respect - but unlocking isnt trouble free for everybody - or else there wouldnt be so many goddamn threads about it.

Its basic logic.

The edge issue for example - you need to fart around with a load of applications and edit files you couldnt give a toss about. Don't say otherwise because I've been through it all. o2 and other networks.

Its 35 quid a month on the o2 contract - pretty good value now I reckon. And there is visual voicemail which the jailbreakers dont get....
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by withnail 73:
“With respect - but unlocking isnt trouble free for everybody - or else there wouldnt be so many goddamn threads about it.

Its basic logic.

The edge issue for example - you need to fart around with a load of applications and edit files you couldnt give a toss about. Don't say otherwise because I've been through it all. o2 and other networks.

Its 35 quid a month on the o2 contract - pretty good value now I reckon. And there is visual voicemail which the jailbreakers dont get....”

oh well i had mine for four months and didn't have any problems.

but you're right, the contract is ok.
withnail 73
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“oh well i had mine for four months and didn't have any problems.

but you're right, the contract is ok.”


Problems? ...however you cant upgrade the firmware through iTunes with every update though can you? You have to go through a load of boring steps and wait for your jailbreaking application to update...and even then its touch and go really isnt it?

I paid quite a bit of money for my iphone and I wouldnt care to risk using a load of third party, untrusted software on it. Think about that.
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by withnail 73:
“Cant upgrade the firmware through iTunes without shitting your pants though, can you? ”

yeah, always easier to do things the official way.
jagardner1984
23-04-2008
Indeed, remember you also get unlimited EDGE data and Unlimited use of the Cloud Wi-Fi network with that £35/month.

Yes it is a premium product, and you pay a price for that, but it is SO worth it.
withnail 73
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by jagardner1984:
“Indeed, remember you also get unlimited EDGE data and Unlimited use of the Cloud Wi-Fi network with that £35/month.

Yes it is a premium product, and you pay a price for that, but it is SO worth it.”

Couldnt agree more. I cant understand why the jailbreakers cant fork out 35 a month for what is essentially a value for money service.

They waste hour after hour waffling on about new ways to jalibreak their phones before every official Apple update and endlessly worry about bricking their phones. They should use their common sense and realise its easier just to use o2.
Sananda Maitreya
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by withnail 73:
“Couldnt agree more. I cant understand why the jailbreakers cant fork out 35 a month for what is essentially a value for money service.”

for me, there are two reasons. one, i spend a lot of time abroad and want the ability to use a local SIM. two, i seem to top up £10 per month (£7.50 for the unlimited internet, then i get given 50 free mins, and i still seem to build up a credit).
Pencil
23-04-2008
I wouldn't want the IPhone if it was £69 on PAYG.
stevej26uk
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by withnail 73:
“Couldnt agree more. I cant understand why the jailbreakers cant fork out 35 a month for what is essentially a value for money service.

They waste hour after hour waffling on about new ways to jalibreak their phones before every official Apple update and endlessly worry about bricking their phones. They should use their common sense and realise its easier just to use o2.”

The blame is not on the people trying to unlock their phones but apple's network exculsive policy, now while I'm not really a big fan of the iphone, if i did want one on release I was 5 months into an 18month contract with t-mobile, so for me to get the iphone officially I woud've needed to entered into £35 per/month contract with a network I have no desire to use, and still pay tmobile the £30 p/m as i'm in contract. This would be not only be not be viable from a finance pov but also damn right daft.

Now take that situation with someone who really wants to use the iphone the best solution is to unlock it, yes it screws your warranty etc etc but its for many people the only way to own an iphone, personally the iphone isnt good enough to warrant all the mucking around with but thats another debate and has been done to death!

I notice in the news today that in italy that the new iphone will be sold without network exculsive, finally apple seem to be wising up to their biggest mistake with the iphone, i look forward to the day the exclusive networks deals are finished and the iphone available for all, then perhaps you will see less unlocking etc.

a long ramble i know but your attitude was bad and argument flawed do you work for o2 or apple perhaps ?

Also you have to laugh value for money service ?? really the contract is poor compared to offerings from other networks.
blueacid
24-04-2008
Guys, iphones.

They can be unlocked, SHOULD you choose, however it's down to you whether or not you wish to risk it.

Done, dusted, finished. No need to bicker.
withnail 73
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by stevej26uk:
“The blame is not on the people trying to unlock their phones but apple's network exculsive policy, now while I'm not really a big fan of the iphone, if i did want one on release I was 5 months into an 18month contract with t-mobile, so for me to get the iphone officially I woud've needed to entered into £35 per/month contract with a network I have no desire to use, and still pay tmobile the £30 p/m as i'm in contract. This would be not only be not be viable from a finance pov but also damn right daft.

Now take that situation with someone who really wants to use the iphone the best solution is to unlock it, yes it screws your warranty etc etc but its for many people the only way to own an iphone, personally the iphone isnt good enough to warrant all the mucking around with but thats another debate and has been done to death!

I notice in the news today that in italy that the new iphone will be sold without network exculsive, finally apple seem to be wising up to their biggest mistake with the iphone, i look forward to the day the exclusive networks deals are finished and the iphone available for all, then perhaps you will see less unlocking etc.

a long ramble i know but your attitude was bad and argument flawed do you work for o2 or apple perhaps ?

Also you have to laugh value for money service ?? really the contract is poor compared to offerings from other networks.”

Maybe you should learn some manners. Please point out how my argument was flawed. I have owned an iphone since last November and probably know a damn sight more about it than you do.

In my opinion the o2 iphone 35 IS value for money for me as I use the internet a lot for work and as you probably know its unlimited on all iphone plans. I've used it endlessly and never get any communication from them regarding usage capping.

Also, the inclusive texts and mins are pretty good.


As far as me working for o2 or Apple goes - you are wrong again. I have a better job...

If you cant afford 35 quid a month maybe you should change YOUR career, eh?
stevej26uk
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by withnail 73:
“Maybe you should learn some manners. Please point out how my argument was flawed. I have owned an iphone since last November and probably know a damn sight more about it than you do.

In my opinion the o2 iphone 35 IS value for money for me as I use the internet a lot for work and as you probably know its unlimited on all iphone plans. I've used it endlessly and never get any communication from them regarding usage capping.

Also, the inclusive texts and mins are pretty good.


As far as me working for o2 or Apple goes - you are wrong again. I have a better job...

If you cant afford 35 quid a month maybe you should change YOUR career, eh?”

Manners?
I simply responded to your view that all iphone's should only be used officially, stated why for some this is just not practical.
The tarriff has improved i'll give you that but its still not as good as the deal I get from t-mobile or even other deals available on o2.

I use the internet a lot as well and with t-mobile I have web and walk and still pay less than £35 p/m

As for knowing more about the iphone im sure you do, I dont own one simply because it doesnt suit my needs.

I can more than afford £35 a month, I never once said that I couldn't, but I already pay £30 per month to t-mobile.
Why on earth would I then waste an extra £35 a month to get an iphone, my t-mobile contract more than covers my needs call, texts and heavy internet use.

I simply asked if you worked for o2 or apple, because even the most diehard apple fans will normally have no problem with people unlocking and many unlock the phones, as for your response that you have a better job, does that mean that you are better than the forum members on here that work for 02? and I'm pretty sure you dont earn as much as some of the people that work high up in apple!!

I was neither rude or insulting to you, I simply made a point as to why so many people unlock the iphone, as I said before yes if you dont want problems go the official way this isnt an option for some people.
I also in no way insulted you but asked if your views were because you may have worked for one of the above companys.
The reason your argument was flawed was because you couldnt seem to see why people go down the road of unlocking, you have to see it from different people's pov.

I apolgise if in some way I insulted you, but it seems from my pov that you are the one being insulting
TheSoulBrother
25-04-2008
The £35 is pretty competitive IMO

- unlimited internet
- 600 minutes
- 500 texts
- Cloud access

I'm sure you can find better but not that much better.
withnail 73
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“The £35 is pretty competitive IMO

- unlimited internet
- 600 minutes
- 500 texts
- Cloud access

I'm sure you can find better but not that much better.”

Yes I think it is too. The Cloud access is something I forgot about but it comes in very useful if you go to popular pub and restaurant chains often.

I think the iphone was designed to appeal to people who need to be constantly connected to the www, much the same as blackberry users, and that the unlimited access is reflected in the monthly charge.

One of the phones main strengths is the way it automatically seeks out a internet connection without you having to work hard to find one.

When I got the phone I thought (as many others did) that the inclusive allowance of 200 mins/texts was dreadful value. Now they seemed to have pulled it into line with other popular tariffs.
Sananda Maitreya
25-04-2008
cpw have run out of 8GBs: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04...one_clear_out/
TheSoulBrother
25-04-2008
The £169 does seem to be something of a sweet spot which Apple would be wise to look into further.

My iPhone is worth every penny but £269 for a phone is a large amount to swallow for most pockets in this country.
psionic
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by TheSoulBrother:
“The £169 does seem to be something of a sweet spot which Apple would be wise to look into further.

My iPhone is worth every penny but £269 for a phone is a large amount to swallow for most pockets in this country.”

I agree. Although I paid £269 for mine and am still very happy with it. However we in the UK are not used to paying so much for a phone and still also paying £35 per month for a contract. I can understand how the original pricing would put most people off.
stevej26uk
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“cpw have run out of 8GBs: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04...one_clear_out/”

I notice as well they arent expecting anymore stock surely a clear sign of a 3g version on its way.
Wonder how many of them sold have been unlocked ?

Apple announced today that they are well aware a large amount of iphones are purchased with the intention of unlocking them.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200...hacked_iphone/

Seems apple arent bothered as long as it boosts sales.
withnail 73
25-04-2008
The 3g version has been all over the Apple rumour sites for the last month.

It shall very, very likely be out in June when the 2.0 firmware version is released.
the porter
25-04-2008
well i love my fully unlocked with ziphone £169 iphone, its a no brainer to as an example what i did bought the n95 8gb refurb on a 12 month contact £30 a month ,sold it for £275 sold my old n95 for £175 ,sold sony a818 for £80 ,then inserted voda sim in iphone job done works perfectly, with installer again many apps downloaded no probs no o2 contract which is a rip off you lot know it, if some of you are daft enough to pay it youve got more money than sence ,and any probs it will be restored with 4.6,and returned.
Sananda Maitreya
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by the porter:
“no o2 contract which is a rip off you lot know it, if some of you are daft enough to pay it youve got more money than sence.”

it's ok. it wasn't so great initially but the improved tariffs are just fine IMO.
withnail 73
25-04-2008
Originally Posted by Sananda Maitreya:
“it's ok. it wasn't so great initially but the improved tariffs are just fine IMO.”

I second that. I think the 02 35 plan is just as good value as any other contract out there.


(Waits for can of worms to open)
stevej26uk
25-04-2008
I notice withnail73 hasnt hasnt answered my post?
An apology would be kinda nice.

The iphone works well as an internet device and as a ipod as well.

Wonder if apple have cracked the 3g battery drain problems every other 3g phone has ?

hsdpa is a real drain i've used it on several phones and a lot of browsing coupled with phones calls and listening to music and the battery's dont even last a full day.
stevej26uk
25-04-2008
Interesting article about apple's changing attitude towards the unlockers:
http://www.macworld.com/article/1331...d_iphones.html

I have noticed that recent firmwares have done little to make it harder to unlock the iphone, i suspect apple will continue to do very little either.

They have obviously noticed the massive demand for the phone outwith the networks they have deals with.
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