That would be a big creepy crawley smiley there then

Hi, you are most welcome but don't spoil our fun We enjoy a good squabble on here, whether it be over BB4 or BB3

Agreed.

Back to answering the thread I prefer Kate over Cam - not that I liked Kate, just that I dislike Cam more.

We seem to have gone from one extreme to the other - from one winner who was always drunk to one who never drank - contraversial

Can we have a happy medium next year.

Aah, memories of the lovely Alex always make me feel good and mellow

Kate was not drunk all the time as the three weeks on the poor side saw to that.

As for Cam this quote from the people

"And if Steph doesn't provide romance, Cameron realises there are plenty of girls desperate to meet him and he's determined to make up for lost time."

Just goes to show why he was popular. Desperate unmarried women hoping for a chance of romance with him. The BBLB campaigns responce proves that.

Arguably Cameron won BB4 because half the final votes were not cast and the opposition was thought by many to be uninspiring. In the land of the bland the stranger person won. The alternative winner, Jon, didn't make it to the final because he couldn't generate enough support to survive an eviction vote (Kate, Alex and Jonny could mobilize a million votes - Jon managed half that). Cameron got fewer votes than Jonny did last year (and probably fewer than Alex would have got if Jonny had not defeated him) - but he was still ahead by about 500,000 votes. Unless you believe the complete fix argument, its difficult to see why Cameron is not a deserving winner for BB4 - however offensive many find him.

Kate won BB3 with a 50% margin over the second place candidate, The competition was the only 4 way contest in BB history with a record vote. In the most heated competition of the competing personalities the person whose personality appealed to most won. The alternative, DS BB favoured, candidate came third behind that other DS BB favourite Jonny . Allegations about fixes were made - but most of them were about fixes in favour of Alex. Pretty odd to argue against that background that Kate was not a valid winner. Even more pointless if anyone does it on the strange grounds that they personally found someone else funnier or more interesting or had failed to notice Kate's story unfolding because they were besotted with some other house mate.

the sad (?) thing is that arguably any of the BB3 last 4 (Sunita even? )might well have beaten Cameron this year . But you can only beat who is there and its pointless this year, as last , arguing for the rest of eternity that the person who came third or who went half way through (Jon and Spencer left to similar arguments) should have won.

Kate because we were subjected to her presenting Party In The Park.

I honestly thought this years was very dull but if I have to comment on the last two years then I would say Kate wone by fooling everyone and putting on a good act and Cameron purely because he was his self and stuck to his beliefs .....strange both complete opposites and yet both wone the same reward.....

Cam I didn't like ... didn't want to win... but he did... pleasssse let's begin to get over it!... heal guys heal

As Kate V. Alex V. Jade....
Looking at the repeat of "What Jade did get" on E4 on Saturday, Yes she made more money and had a higher profile than both Kate & Alex in the weeks/months after BB3...

But I'd been very surprised if she hadn't after her profile in the BB3 house...

But it's not the space between the end of BB and Christmas, it's from January up to May and the beginning of the next BB...
Jade by then was down to a article in NOW "My bloke has two timed me" followed by "I'm pregnant"... in other words still trading on her BB3 image or not as a media personality away from BB3... as far as I can remember she was on "Celeb Driving School" for Comic Relief in which she didn't pass and didn't turn up for Comic Relief night...

Has she done anything else other than that?...

Alex:
Yeah I remember the commercial and the TV spots and radio... but has he anything on a permanent basis apart from LBC 97.3?, ("Loose Women" ends at the end of August to be replaced by "Des & Mel" who get a audience three times that of "Loose Women")

Kate:
I can't remember her doing that much up till she got the RISE job on a permanent basis, (yes she was on Party in the Park but maybe she'd like to forget that) so one year on is she the only BB3 HM that has a regular open ended media job?...

That is apart from Alison...
Who presenting "IACGMOH" daily from Australia for "This Morning" and has regular reality TV spot on "This Morning"...

Correct me if I’m wrong...
But out of all the BB HM's...

The Craig = Daytime BBC1 and Discovery Home & Leisure
DIY show...
Anna = 2 series of "Ask Anna" for RTE Irish TV and one BBC Three series..
Brian = Regular SMTV presenter & "Brian's Boyfriends" for Late Night ITV..
Nick = Media appearances still trading on the nasty thing...

Is that it out of the BB housemates as far as media jobs are concerned?

Normally i'd say most of the BB housemates are cancelled out by the new batch of BB HM's coming along... but since the BB4 HM's are so low profile (kind way of saying boring) i'd say the BB3 HM's could be around for a bt longer...

Out of BB4 HM's still around in a years time?

Cameron:
Personality on a Scottish TV (like his brother) and guest spot on "Songs of Praise" and presenter on a Christian Radio satellite channel...
The Tickle:
Perhaps a spin off from RISE's "Tickles World" and guest TV appearances...

The rest of them... in the short term...

JUSTMEAN - Already down to making local radio appurtenances
Tania: Short term MTV VJ
Nush: There's always naked yoga for Playboy TV...
Ray: Selling T shirts to girls that say... "I've slept with Ray from BB4" and in a competition with Colin Farrell on who can pull more girls in the VIP area of Dublin niteclubs...
Fed: Fronting an "I Love Newcatle" campaign...
Annouska: Bra Commercials

But all gone by this time next year following in the steps of Paul/Sada/Elizabeth/Dean/Bubble etc etc

The rest of the HM's... BB4 who???

Mel presented two series of Chained for E4.

Sada got a book, The Babes Bible, published on the back of her BB contestant status, and I believe it's been reported that she's working on a second book now.

Thanks Ben!
Oh yeah how could I forget Mel... quite easily it seems
Oh "Chained" enough said... heard her on LBC 97.3 about a month ago, she now works from home and has a regular column somewhere

Anyone any other info on ex BB HM's...
Spencer is in the States isn't he?

Some great posts here but am I the only one who would like it back on topic.

Who was the most useless - Kate or Cameron?!

Come on Kate, you should win this easy.

In my mind Kate cuz what you seen was an act...not natural just out to impress....Cameron stuck to his beliefs and did not really care what any one else thought...what you seen wa natural.

Darling... i'd say neither of them are useless....

Remember darling we live in a world where the Cheeky Girls have earned £1.5 million each in the past year.... in the media can there be anyone that is truly useless?... oh yeah there is i forgot about Dale Winton

Ah, darling - nothing if not consistent!

This time, could Kate be both the actual winner and the real winner?

Thank you lulu.

And, yes, I do think so.

Kate and Cameron

Similarities:
both were favoured and promoted by BB to be the winner.

Voting:
Well, you can say that people got the winner they wanted.

However, the difference in the voting is that the people who voted for Cameron did so because they voted for him to win. Now, I hated Cameron with a vengeance but even I can see that those who voted for hm did so by a huge majority purely because they liked him - so in that sense he deserved to win.

With Kate, of course there were votes from people who liked her. But, she also received votes by default, not because they liked her but because they disliked the competition more and so voted in order to stop others winning.

Kate received a sizeable proportion of votes from people who were not happy about the outcome of the Spencer and Alex nominations, and these people deliberately voted for Kate as a protest of the outcome of that earlier eviction. So plain and simple, in order to stop Alex winning they voted for Kate. It's a pity she has never acknowledged this fact.

Protest votes rather than popularity votes. That's the difference between the winners of BB3 & BB4.

That's the trouble with Alex, IMO, he's unwilling to play the celebrity game. Yes, his honesty, integrity, and sense of fair play in BB3 were endearing qualities, but I can't help thinking that if he had done the same as others and played the game on leaving BB, his profile would be a lot higher with the least amount of effort. Like Kate has done, maybe Alex should have allowed his agent and PR people to place articles in the press and magazines like Heat about his dalliances with celebrity babes that are mutually beneficient - even if not true or wildly over the top. He's had enough willing participants lining up.

A good PR profile is created by association with other popular celebs. We all know half the stuff in the press is not true, like Robbie Williams and Gerry Halliwell, Kate and Duncan, but it makes for interesting reading and keeps their profiles raised and creates a market. Alex is not competing on the same level playing field and seems to have chosen the rough road to the top wearing a pair of flip flops rather than jump on the gravy train.

Camoron never have so few (the Stouts) fooled so many.

Great analysis Norti and you're so right. Even I voted lots of times for Kate in the final round -- purely to stop Jonny winning.

But she thinks I'm one of her '3 million' voting fans

Kate: "bothered"

Only joking Mystic........honest.

I think we are taking it too seriously, this years bb left a lot to be desired anyway, I believe Cameron wone cuz he stuck to his beliefs and that alone...to a lot he was too good to be true but the majority seen him for what he was but with housemates from the past he would never have stood a chance.