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Top 6 Week- Andrew Lloyd Webber Songs- Early Discussion Thread- USA Pace
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superstar111
23-04-2008
If Brooke stays this week then the show is joke, she shoulda went last week
Daewos
23-04-2008
I would loved to have seen some close ups of ALW, as they do on the BBC. Could you imagine the facial expressions that we would have seen

Maybe they planned to but decided not to in case it scared the kiddies watching!
babeth
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by sligorox:
“I wouldn't count on Syesha going home this week either, Babeth. Firstly she's the only one in her genre so isn't competing for votes, also she gave a good performance where others didn't so could catch some of the swing votes, and she's showing improvement where others (Brooke, Jason) are falling apart. I actually wouldn't be surprised now if Syesha was top female, and she could beat Jason too.”

Thanks to Sligorox and everybody else who have commented that Syesha should not go home on that performance. Am afraid one has to be ready for the expected.

I agree with your argument been the only one in her genre. I also made this case a few times. But realistically I still believe that AI is not only dependent on votes, it is also manipulated to get the results that they want. Whether Brooke/Jason are falling apart or not. They may get the sympathy vote-its happened before.Then again it could be a shock exit-who knows what they will do.


Everything I have always thught about Syesha has been proven right by me. I remember making the same case for Jennifer Hudson in season 3. I notice maybe because the Judges are pimping her for Broadway, everybody else seem to agree. I do not see just Broadway I see much more as I stated in my last post.

For me ALW is the best Mentor that has ever been on idol. I hope he is back next year. He brought the best out of most of them-although some were not so great. I am hoping one day Syesha would be considered for one of his shows. Obviously I am biased because I love musicals and broadway.

Mixed night but I enjoyed every minute.

Babeth
sligorox
23-04-2008
I agree that ALW was a great mentor. I guess on I'd Do Anything, et al, he performs the Simon role of the voice of reason among the judges, and so it makes sense that as a mentor he would do the same. I think it's pointless having a mentor if they're just going to say they love all the contestants, anyone can do that (if they don't mind telling the occasional white lie); the mentor should tell the contestants how they can improve and what they're doing wrong. They are supposed to be experienced professionals at the top of their profession, they should know that constructive criticism helps people improve, and ALW did this well.

I do agree that Jason and Brooke may get the sympathy vote, plus Brooke has VFTW too, so Syesha and Carly might be (undeservadly) at risk this week.
superstar111
23-04-2008
I reckon Carly is a goner unfortunately
Kyle123
23-04-2008
I love how people have finally warmed to Syesha
And also, its great that shes been pimped for Broadway by the judges - she'd be great there, and of course, she is officially an actress, so thats obviously gonna help her.
grumpyoldbat
24-04-2008
Just watched Cookie on YT - lovely job, very understated. Just sang the song beautifully.
babeth
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by superstar111:
“I reckon Carly is a goner unfortunately ”

Am afraid you are right. I stayed up for it .It was between the two best performers of the night. Syesha and Carly.

BULL!!

Babeth
Chi
24-04-2008
Carly went and she shouldn't have and Syesha shouldn't have been bottom two.
I think that the public vote for their favourite (Davids+Jason) and the ones they perceive at risk (Jason+Brooke). Syesha and Carly were caught in between.
duncann
24-04-2008
A ridiculous result: two of the top performances and the two best female singers left are voted bottom and the more interesting onle of those is turfed out. Looks like a non-American, no matter how good, cannot yet make the top 5, Michael and Carly were two of the best singers and have both gone too early, though neither should probably have won.

VFTW was supporting Brooke and I assume she got a sympathy vote too. In polls I have seen the 3 boys are so far ahead of the girls that is pointless the girls continuing, it's partly become a pretty boy contest voted for by silly people. So watch the two girls go in the next fortnight and then the 3 boys in the final with David Cook beating David Archuletta, hopefully.

They started out with the best top 24 ever and have ended up with 2 people who can barely get through a song without problems, a good singer who lacks originality, an average singer who's a pretty boy and one guy who is really quite good and might have something but still has a good chance of losing!
Chi
24-04-2008
Both Jason and Brooke have had very good memorable past performances: Your So Vain, Let It Be, Every Breath You Take, Halleluja, Somewhere Over The Rainbow, I don't Want To Cry.
Carly has had OK to good performances, but nothing outstanding. I thought that there was always something missing in her performances to make them very good.

This week, her performance was very nice to watch, but a bit shouty, so not so nice to listen to.

Brooke has gone downhill recently but overall I have enjoyed her good performances more than Carly's ones.
Agent Krycek
24-04-2008
The Jason fanbase now officially scares me with regards to David C making it through - It now doesn't look good for Syesha next week at all, her performance was top two, not bottom two, and no way should Carly have gone.

I have a horrible feeling the VFTW is going to have a very negative on Brooke, she's already crumbling, will know she's their pick, plus staying for at least 2 weeks when she should have gone, or at least this week been bottom 2 (with Jason) is likely to completely shatter any confidence she has left.
noops
24-04-2008
Well that was a shock, I didn't expect Carly to go. I suppose its as Paula said, they all have individual fan bases some larger than others.

Should have been Jason or Brooke

Nice to see Leona on there but was she lip-syncing in the first part of her song? Using the mike/stand to cover her mouth as much as possible, It seemed like it.
funkycub
24-04-2008
Gutted! from the early auditions, I rated Michael, Carly and David C. Now David C remains.

Syesha was amazing last night and didn't deserve bottom two!

Brooke needs to leave, I actually preferred Kristy to Brooke towards the end!
funkycub
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by Daewos:
“I would loved to have seen some close ups of ALW, as they do on the BBC. Could you imagine the facial expressions that we would have seen

Maybe they planned to but decided not to in case it scared the kiddies watching! ”

There was one after Jason (I think!) and it was class!!
Chi
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“The Jason fanbase now officially scares me with regards to David C making it through - It now doesn't look good for Syesha next week at all, her performance was top two, not bottom two, and no way should Carly have gone.

I have a horrible feeling the VFTW is going to have a very negative on Brooke, she's already crumbling, will know she's their pick, plus staying for at least 2 weeks when she should have gone, or at least this week been bottom 2 (with Jason) is likely to completely shatter any confidence she has left.”

I also think that Jason's fan base shouldn't be underestimated., and I would have been surprised if had made the bottom two.
With this week performance, may be Syesha will have gained some fans. Now that Carly has gone, I can imagine the show pushing her as the dark horse/top female that is going to challenge Jason.
In fact my predictions are
top 5 Brooke goes
top 4 Jason goes
top 3 Syesha+Davids - Syesha goes
top 2 - Davids.
Ethereal
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by noops:
“Well that was a shock, I didn't expect Carly to go. I suppose its as Paula said, they all have individual fan bases some larger than others.

Should have been Jason or Brooke

Nice to see Leona on there but was she lip-syncing in the first part of her song? Using the mike/stand to cover her mouth as much as possible, It seemed like it.”

No she wasn't, the whole thing was live sung over the backing track for the choruses.
aidodub1
24-04-2008
Is there any point watching any more this year after 2 of the best performers of the night are the bottom 2,no wonder viewing figures have fallen so much for "Idol" this year in States.
Anyway in my opinion,there's no one in comp this year anywhere near the talent of Kelly,Fantasia,Carrie,Chris D,Jennifer Hudson,Latoya,Diana,Clay etc and i have watched "Idol" since its first season.
Chi
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by aidodub1:
“Is there any point watching any more this year after 2 of the best performers of the night are the bottom 2,no wonder viewing figures have fallen so much for "Idol" this year in States.
Anyway in my opinion,there's no one in comp this year anywhere near the talent of Kelly,Fantasia,Carrie,Chris D,Jennifer Hudson,Latoya,Diana,Clay etc and i have watched "Idol" since its first season.”

I don't agree that Michael and Carly were one of the best performers. I think that they both have a lack of character and to use Simon's words, a lack of star potential.
noops
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by Ethereal:
“No she wasn't, the whole thing was live sung over the backing track for the choruses. ”


The first part of the song features the multi-track layered vocal technique, I guess that's what sounded and looked a bit strange to me.
flashgirl
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by Chi:
“I don't agree that Michael and Carly were one of the best performers. I think that they both have a lack of character and to use Simon's words, a lack of star potential.”

I agree. And though Carly and Syesha didn't deserve to be bottom two on this week's performances, I would personally rate them somewhere near the bottom of the final 6 given their performances on the show as a whole. Carly's performances, much as I liked her, have been extremely hit and miss, and Syesha, though she shone this week in what is her real genre, is nowhere near as good as she thinks she is when performing ballads and has frankly been pretty dull to watch. Although Brooke and Jason could easily have replaced them in the bottom two and neither have been consistent either, I don't think last night's result could be classed as a shocker. IMO, Jason and Brooke are also much more saleable as artists in the long run than either Syesha or Carly.
daveraleigh
24-04-2008
Should have been Brooke and Jason in the bottom 2 (if you're going strictly by this week's performances).

I still wish Syesha had gone home. She just comes off as fake to me and I don't like it. I LOVED how well Carly took it.

I've always heard that VFTW really doesn't have an effect on the results...but who knows. I think Brooke may have received sympathy votes and Jason!?!?!? That one I don't get.

Neil Diamond week should be.....interesting

oh...and totally agree with this from flashgirl's post above!

Quote:
“and though Carly and Syesha didn't deserve to be bottom two on this week's performances, I would personally rate them somewhere near the bottom of the final 6 given their performances on the show as a whole. Carly's performances, much as I liked her, have been extremely hit and miss, and Syesha, though she shone this week in what is her real genre, is nowhere near as good as she thinks she is when performing ballads and has frankly been pretty dull to watch.”

KBBJ
24-04-2008
Carly's not unique (plus there's the whole tats thing and parts of America don't like any perceived dissing of Jesus: yeah, I know) and hasn't won a huge fanbase. Brooke benefited from Kristy fans, and Jason's fanbase is simply huge. Not that surprising, really. The interesting question is where Carly's votes are going to go next, and I suspect David C will benefit.
babeth
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by flashgirl:
“I agree. And though Carly and Syesha didn't deserve to be bottom two on this week's performances, I would personally rate them somewhere near the bottom of the final 6 given their performances on the show as a whole. Carly's performances, much as I liked her, have been extremely hit and miss, and Syesha, though she shone this week in what is her real genre, is nowhere near as good as she thinks she is when performing ballads and has frankly been pretty dull to watch. Although Brooke and Jason could easily have replaced them in the bottom two and neither have been consistent either, I don't think last night's result could be classed as a shocker. IMO, Jason and Brooke are also much more saleable as artists in the long run than either Syesha or Carly.”


To add this statement. Everybody is marketable it is how they are perceived and branded. The 'coffee house' singers might be what people want now-but is that a long term view? I Do not know. As for pretty dull that could be said for Brooke and Jason by those who are not into their music.

To market Carly maybe she needs to explore the country market. I really liked her Dolly Patton week. Ballads/Rock for her might be ok-who knows. But she really needs a complete rethink in the marketability factor. She has had her music out before what will make it different this time?

As for Syesha. She may be the easiest to market-if they go the contemporary route combined with dancing. She has the Broadway/film thing going on as well. Forums, posters and reporters alike will aways say she is 'Fake' 'Plastic' and whatever. Do they know her? If they could take her Heart and Soul out and look at it would they see what they looking for? Yes, she not the vulnerable type like Brooke and the others-and thats real! Give me a Break. Anybody could do that-and is believable. Why should she be what she is not? Have they ever thought just maybe this is her way of handling pressure and stress? I tell you I would not want to be in their position.

Apparently ALW gave them one of the highest ratings this week. Maybe he will be back next year.

How will the rest finish. I dont really care. For me finishing first or tenth does not make any difference. It is what they do with the opportunities offered to them. All have a good chance.
piper333
24-04-2008
Originally Posted by KBBJ:
“Carly's not unique (plus there's the whole tats thing and parts of America don't like any perceived dissing of Jesus: yeah, I know) and hasn't won a huge fanbase. Brooke benefited from Kristy fans, and Jason's fanbase is simply huge. Not that surprising, really. The interesting question is where Carly's votes are going to go next, and I suspect David C will benefit.”

those were my thoughts as well, that and she has had a record deal, but then again so has Brooke (god that bottom lip bite of hers gets to me) also, Syesha-sorry as good as she is, dime a dozen kind of artist.

so many ALW songs to sing I was surprised with some of those song choices by in large.

i guess you can't just go my ONE week, because if people voted on that Brooke and Jason would be bottom , but unfortunately at this point people already have their faves, regardless.
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