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Was Lucinda telling the truth?
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williams96
23-04-2008
She said Helene made several remarks about her dislike of Jennifer, which Helene denied ever doing. Does anyone know whether Lucinda was telling the truth?

Thanks!
DaniB
23-04-2008
I suspect that Helene has made the remarks about Jennifer but it was very indiscreet and tactless of Lucinda to quote her on it.
Give It Up
23-04-2008
Helene made similar comments about Jennifer on camera to those that Lucinda was saying she had said a couple of days ago.

Lucinda just didn't want it to be known to Jennifer in case she should ever find herself in Jennifer's team with Jennifer as PM.

Originally Posted by DaniB:
“I suspect that Helene has made the remarks about Jennifer but it was very indiscreet and tactless of Lucinda to quote her on it.”

What's wrong with being honest when others are not?
Sid_1979
23-04-2008
YES!!

Helene made those very remarks to camera about Jennifer being a manipulative bitch.
Sylvia
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by DaniB:
“I suspect that Helene has made the remarks about Jennifer but it was very indiscreet and tactless of Lucinda to quote her on it.”

Definitely a wrong move - Helene is a dangerous opponent.
bigbro24
23-04-2008
I reckon it was true, from the look on Helene's face. Put it this way if Lucinda was lying then Helene would have kicked up a much bigger fuss.
I don't think Lucinda should have brought it up in the boardroom though. It looked very unprofessional, that 'he said she said' business
Hollygolightly
23-04-2008
I think she was telling the truth
Helene is another bully and as such would be likely to deny what sh'd previously said (as bullies do)
brightlights
23-04-2008
yeah, it was pretty obvious that Helene had said that-- she might have been just playing Lucinda because she knew Lucinda didn't like Jennifer, or she might have really meant it. But the social cluelessness of Lucinda on quoting her in front of everyone-- that was mindboggling. It kind of explains how she got bullied so much. I mean, I think she was being very honest and direct but Helene understood it as backstabbing. I think she is a person who is far too upfront and honest for her own good, that nest of vipers is going to destroy her because she doesn't seem to have a devious bone in her body.

The knives will be out for her from now on. DUN!
Chilli Dragon
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by williams96:
“She said Helene made several remarks about her dislike of Jennifer, which Helene denied ever doing. Does anyone know whether Lucinda was telling the truth?

Thanks!”


Even on telly Helene slagged off Jenny so I can only assume she did it to Lucinda, but Lucy should not have brought it up.
froglet
23-04-2008
They certainly will be out to get her, but she is a good manager and they may shoot themselves in the foot if SAS thinks that they are being unprofessional and unsupportive. She was clueless saying that. Not in a Linzi sense but in a social sense.
Katenutzs
23-04-2008
She may have but she was silly to try and drop others in it like that. Think she may rue that momnet
froglet
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“She may have but she was silly to try and drop others in it like that. Think she may rue that momnet”


I'm not even sure that she meant to drop anybody in it. I think that she was just explaining why she did what she did........ strange that she hasn't learned those kind of self protection skills by now.
temperare
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Chilli Dragon:
“Even on telly Helene slagged off Jenny so I can only assume she did it to Lucinda, but Lucy should not have brought it up.”

Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“She may have but she was silly to try and drop others in it like that. Think she may rue that momnet”

I can actually believe that Lucinda did not bring this up to be malicious. She is not a liar.

At the end of the day thats what happens when you slag people of behind their backs. At least Ginger Jenny does it to their faces.
Sidespin Nid
23-04-2008
Helene really has been a first class b*tch to Lucinda throughout the tasks and I think she knew Lucinda was going to bring her comments about Jen up in the boardroom but then she could deny it and make Lucinda look like a liar.
froglet
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Ansildrall:
“Helene really has been a first class b*tch to Lucinda throughout the tasks and I think she knew Lucinda was going to bring her comments about Jen up in the boardroom but then she could deny it and make Lucinda look like a liar.”

I can't believe how the whole pack of the women have turned on her. Claire, both Jennifers, and Helene. I was so glad that one of the men was finally shown on camera speaking up against the bitching. Was it Lee?
williams96
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by brightlights:
“yeah, it was pretty obvious that Helene had said that-- she might have been just playing Lucinda because she knew Lucinda didn't like Jennifer, or she might have really meant it. But the social cluelessness of Lucinda on quoting her in front of everyone-- that was mindboggling. It kind of explains how she got bullied so much. I mean, I think she was being very honest and direct but Helene understood it as backstabbing. I think she is a person who is far too upfront and honest for her own good, that nest of vipers is going to destroy her because she doesn't seem to have a devious bone in her body.

The knives will be out for her from now on. DUN!”

To be fair to Lucinda it's not like people were nice to her anyway and she didn't out and out say it. Before the boardroom people were changing tact and Lucinda came under fire. While defending herself it looked like it almost slipped out that it wasn't just her and you could see she regretted it by not wanting to say who had said it.

In the boardroom though, I guess the pressure got to her and at that point it was a lose lose situation - if she didn't name someone she'd be called a liar for not backing up her claim, and if she did (as evident) she'd still be called a liar.

I thought it was horrible the way Jennifer spoke about Lucinda when asked about her team management, clear sign that the sales group got lost in their own little self promoting world.

Then the way it was brought up by Jennifer when they were back in the house, looks like Helene and Jennifer are working together.
Chilli Dragon
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by temperare:
“I can actually believe that Lucinda did not bring this up to be malicious. She is not a liar.

At the end of the day thats what happens when you slag people of behind their backs. At least Ginger Jenny does it to their faces.”

Oh yes, I agree. I don't think Lucinda is malicious but she is naive in how to "play the game" and to succeed she has to hide the things about Helene until the killer moment (like Katie with Adam or Tre with Rory). She should know to keep someone as tough as Helene on-side for as long as possible.
froglet
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by williams96:
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Then the way it was brought up by Jennifer when they were back in the house, looks like Helene and Jennifer are working together.”

There was something very prepared and calculating about Jennifers little speech about Claires wonderful transformation too. They're all in it together.
temperare
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Chilli Dragon:
“Oh yes, I agree. I don't think Lucinda is malicious but she is naive in how to "play the game" and to succeed she has to hide the things about Helene until the killer moment (like Katie with Adam or Tre with Rory). She should know to keep someone as tough as Helene on-side for as long as possible.”

Thats the thing though she is not playing it as game. Dont get me wrong I dont think it will do her any favours, however I do admire her for it.
sezzie
23-04-2008
I don't understand why they've all got it in for Lucinda She may come across as a bit dippy at times, but she's essentially very honest. Not like those other backstabbing bitches
Chilli Dragon
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by temperare:
“Thats the thing though she is not playing it as game. Dont get me wrong I dont think it will do her any favours, however I do admire her for it.”

I admire her for it too, but it won't do her any good as it doesn't work in business and it holds no sway with Sir Alan...Lucinda will never win...shame but true.
williams96
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Chilli Dragon:
“I admire her for it too, but it won't do her any good as it doesn't work in business and it holds no sway with Sir Alan...Lucinda will never win...shame but true.”

I don't think she will win either, but at least she'll look better when it comes to being employed by others. I can't imagine people ever wanting to employ some of the girls in the show after they've proven how bitchy and untrustworthy they are.
Aleksis
23-04-2008
lol, I loved the way Lucinda quoted her in her sweet little posh voice.

"Yes, you did. You said she's a snake and she's evil."

Loving Lucinda. Not doubting her at all.
temperare
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by sezzie:
“I don't understand why they've all got it in for Lucinda She may come across as a bit dippy at times, but she's essentially very honest. Not like those other backstabbing bitches ”

Its because she is mild mannered and calm. The others think that they are showing themselves to be powerful and in control by making Lucinda appear weak.

At the end of the day Nick and Margaret see and hear everything and I was very happy that Margaret recognised Lucindas managerial skills.
froglet
23-04-2008
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“lol,

Loving Lucinda. Not doubting her at all.”

*high five*
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