On my way home I picked up 'The London paper' an interview with Lindi. She branded Lucinda 'an absolute witch',blamed her for 'all the arguments' in the house. Lindi:- "She's a manipulative little madam; She is playing people off against each other, rubbing people up the wrong way and trying to create rifts".

Hmmm. What do we believe? We have ask to Lucinda herself or is it sour grapes?

Babeth

Well I know what I believe. And it isn't Lindi.

I wouldn't believe anything that came from Lindi's gob...she's crackers.

Sour grapes !

I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Lindi's mouth. The girl is deluded at best, crackers at worst.

Lindi who on BBC Breakfast this morning said she wanted Helene to win because she was straightforward and there should be more people like her in business; Lindi who felt she was the 'real project manager' of the team yesterday yet got fired for being totally incompetant at sales despite a self belief far above and beyond the call of duty. Delusional isn't the half of it.

She's unbelievable. Well I know who I believe and I didn't need long to make my mind up. It's like the girl in the playground who hangs around with the tough nuts and agrees with everything they say.

Go Lucinda.

Was Lucinda telling the Truth? I believe she was, to some extent. May be Lucinda as a PM discussed Jenny M with Helene and what was said was the conclusion of their conversation. I don't believe that Helene went to Lucinda and just said "Jenny is a snake" as Lucinda implied. Helene and Lucinda are not best friends and Helene is not stupid to just gossip with someone who is practically her enemy.

Did SAS need t know about it? No. Lucinda simply could have divided her team without putting Helene and Jenny M in the same group. Therefore, even if Helene hates Jennifer, it was not the reason she did not mix up her team. So the important question is:

Why did Lucinda mention it in the boardroom?! She tried to push Helene to mention it herself but failed. Then she decided to bring it up in the boardroom for her own benefits and certainly not because SAS needed to know about it!!!

I think that Lucinda is very intelligent and manipulative (This is how she describes herself anyway in the auditions!!). I know this is not a popular opinion but she deliberately mentioned what Helene said about Jenny M in the boardroom. She knew she can't take Helene to the boardroom because Helene didn't do anything wrong during the task. She still wanted to give Sir Alan the impression that Helene was not able to work with Jenny M. I can't believe for a second that she doesn't know how to handle Helene, Jenny M, and Jenny C. She is clever enough to realise that playing the role of the victim is easier than being competent as team player, which, let's face it, is not a role that is appreciated that much in the Apprentice.

In her profile, "she began her career in Risk Management before undertaking various roles involving I.T. in the financial sector." I don't believe that someone with a profile like that is "technically useless". But obviously this is the game she is playing and I admire her for it. After all she is in it to win it.

I think that Lucinda is very intelligent and manipulative (This is how she describes herself anyway in the auditions!!). I know this is not a popular opinion but she deliberately mentioned what Helene said about Jenny M in the boardroom. She knew she can't take Helene to the boardroom because Helene didn't do anything wrong during the task. She still wanted to give Sir Alan the impression that Helene was not able to work with Jenny M. I can't believe for a second that she doesn't know how to handle Helene, Jenny M, and Jenny C. She is clever enough to realise that playing the role of the victim is easier than being competent as team player, which, let's face it, is not a role that is apprectiated that much in the Apprentice.

In her profile, "she began her career in Risk Management before undertaking various roles involving I.T. in the financial sector." I don't believe that someone with a profile like that is "technically useless". But obviously this is the game she is playing and I admire her for it. After all she is in it to win it.

apprentice_fan.

I don't think Lucinda has to pretend victimisation - the bullying and derision was there for all to see. Even when she showed good management skills both Lindi and Jennifer tried to playdown her leadership. Oh how galling it must have been when they realised they hadn't broken her spirit.

Doesn't necessarily mean she was writing programmes or troubleshooting bugs.

I believe Helene probably did make those remarks... after all most've what we've seen of her over the last two weeks is that she is a two-faced nasty bitch so I believe Lucinda... also the response when Jennifer M said I've been told I'm a bit cold .. and everyone was silent tells you that everyone thinks that including Helene.

I didn't say that she should have been able to write programmes or troubleshoot bugs. Lucinda said that she is "technically useless" at the beginning of the Photo task. I don't think she can be more technically useless than any of her team members (judging by her profile). She has got a university degree, a wide array of skills and a good working experience for IT companies in the financial sector. Also, at the beginning of the laundry task she said she doesn't do marketing or selling!! When she became a PM, she did sell. She is not a team player because she doesn’t want to. For example, she is clearly organised, she could have offered her services in the laundry task like Shazia did and avoid what happened. Till now, we have not seen her take the initiative to help her team - and I don't think she should by the way. All I am saying is that she is not naive. Lucinda describes herself saying that "I am manipulative" and I completely agree!

Er, you don't go telling woman A the bitchy comments woman B said about woman A.

Well, not in front of both of them at any rate.

It's a basic rule of survival.

However.
Her action has merited 4 pages of forum chat so far...
Maybe she knew EXACTLY what she was doing...the UK loves it when an underdog bitches back.

What I don't get is, Helene is forthright enough to tell Lucinda what she thinks of her, even shouting in her face. So why doesn't she want Jennifer to know that she thinks she's a snake, because she definitely said it to Lucinda, I heard her.

Because Helene only picks on weaker people- or rather people she perceives as weaker...she is one of life's bullying cowards.

Yep, that'll be it, the classic sign of a bully, and an out and out liar as well. The one's of us who saw Helene telling Lucinda on camera what a snake Jennifer was, know, that it's her, Helene, who's the liar.

Lucinda's got more integrity, and management skills in her little finger than the whole lot of those bitches (excluding Sara, I like her !) put together.

Which programme was that?

Firstly, I think Lucinda was telling the truth. Bit silly of her to blab knowing how much Helene hates her.

Out of the girls, I think Sara is the only not to dislike her (standing up for her in Week 2 and I don't think we've seen any bitching from her about Lucinda)

Which programme was what ?

Did you not see the bit where Helene is saying to Lucinda what a snake Jennifer is. ?

Or do you mean which programme was Helene being an absolute bitch to Lucinda ?

Are you sure that it's The Apprentice you're watching ?

It doesn't strike me as believable that Lucina would think she could a) make something like that up and b) get away with it. Certainly made for an awkward dinner. Just when Helene and Lucinda thought they could be friends!
The the liar here is Helene. Of course she'll to try to deny it while the evil snake is around, lest she get ingested whole!

I don't recall Helene saying Jennifer was a snake, in which episode of the apprentice did she say that? Was it the same one?

I am not alone in not remembering if Helene had said it, hence the title of this thread and its participants who have been speculating whether Helene did say it!

I think Lucinda is much smarter than everyone thinks. She is a risk assessor so must possess quite an analytical mind -She probably saw through the coven quite quickly and released that exposing them as bullies and two-faced liars would be her best game plan.

I think her overall strategy is to get the four in question to turn on each other - its risky, of course, because she makes herself their target but then, being clever, she can play the victim.

Of course she will have to withstand the consequences of living amongst them during the show but that's a small price to pay if is ultimately successful.

However, in the end it all depends on what SAS thinks of her.

I completely agree. As I said before Lucinda is not naive and what she did in the boardroom was part of a calculated plan rather than a spontaneous reaction.

I agree with that, except the bit about Sara
She made a complete shambles of the pub food task, insisting on curry when none of them could make it and therefore being unable to open at lunchtime. I know they won, but I think undeservedly.