The People~Cameron Earns £100,000, Speaks Fluent French, Spanish,Japanese & Norwegian

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kimindex

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Elderflower
You quoted me the arguments were all in the Cameron is a homophobe yesterday, ]

I don't understand this; I've never said Cameron is a homophobe; just that I don't respect his views. You made that up.

The conclusions drawn there can hardly be discribed as fair when it is presumed he means to quote the whole of Leviticus..... ”

I never said that either. You made that up. Where's the logic in that?

Jammer

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Elderflower
No, that is actually twisting what he did say. He said "I personally believe that a marriage should be husband and wife etc., he also said "personally, I do not believe in sex before marriage" at no point did he say that this should apply to anyone else other than himself, you made that conclusion up yourselves.
As for how much he earns, what has this to do with anything? Is appearing on BB supposed to be means-tested now then?
And most of all what cover up? He said he was a trader, he said he had travelled and talked about his time in America, Spain and South Africa, he mentioned going to the opera in Vienna, he told Scott and Ray how he was happy working in the fish trade because everybody in it bonded well and it didn't matter if one day he was rubbing shoulders with millionaires and the next he was talking to the fishermen.
Yes C4 may well have done some selective editing at times but how the heck is that supposed to be Cameron's fault? ”

Exactly, Cameron's beliefs and the way he leads is life is his choice but he did not say that everyone else had to live the same way. We all have opinions but SOME of us don't necessarily think that everyone else has to agree with us. Just because Cameron is religeous and reads the bible, some think that this is somewhat wierd, out-dated and strange for an individual, however when you look at the world as a whole religeon is a major factor for the disharmony around the globe. Religeon is there whether we like it or not or whether we choose to embrace it is a matter of choice, but don't ridicule those who do.

As for his earnings and the cover up, I really can't see that money is Cameron's motivation in life. Even if you earn a substantial amount it doesn't mean that you have to live a certain way and flaunt it at every opportunity.

Elderflower

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by kimindex
Cameron is a born again Christian and a Baptist. Wrong as in 'against God's law' 'morally wrong' and therefore gays are to be denied equal civil rights (as in not being able to marry) (his views not mine) and I don't have tme to look for links (I am behind in work enough already!). ”

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“These arguments have already been well enough rehearsed. I think it's stretching a point to breaking to say he doesn't think it is wrong, especially since it is well know that many Baptists and self-styled born again Christians believe the same. You need to think of him as a person who doesn't hold such views. Fine! I don't think it's worth going through all the arguments again.”

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“Most of the stuff was on the 'Cameron's repulsive homophobia' (or words to that effect) thread. Went on to rival War and Peace in length!”

Have I misunderstood you again then?

kimindex

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Elderflower
Have I misunderstood you again then? ”

Yes

kimindex

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by kimindex
Yes ”

I do not say that Cameron does not deserve civil rights. I was referring someone to a thread called 'Camerons' loathsome homophobia'.

lulu

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Mesostim
Then why are people posting on here saying how unmaterialistic he is? That's all that drew me to this thread of reasoning..............Oh - And the image was created that he was an inniocent lad from the islands....There was palpable shock when Jon revealed he was an international businessman....
”

Meso, what is your definition of materialistic? Going by the above you could say that I'm materialistic, but that is one thing I'm def not. Health is wealth in my book.

lu

kimindex

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by kimindex
Yes ”

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These arguments have already been well enough rehearsed. I think it's stretching a point to breaking to say he doesn't think it is wrong, especially since it is well know that many Baptists and self-styled born again Christians believe the same. You need to think of him as a person who doesn't hold such views. Fine! I don't think it's worth going through all the arguments again.]]
Where's the part where I say Cameron does not deserve civil rights or Cameron is a homophobe? I still hold to the fact that it's a fair conclusion that he thinks homosexuality is wrong and I remain unconvinced by the arguments contrary to that. My opinion. You are entitled to yours but I don't understand why you are trying to put words in my mouth so as to advance your argument.

kimindex

31-07-2003

[quote]Originally posted by kimindex
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Signing off. Byeeee everyone and thanks for a good debate

iain

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by KazzaL
Does Cameron, personally, stop you having your full civil rights then? ”

apparently not.

any reports otherwise are purely based in myth.

Iain

iain

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by kimindex
How many times! He stated on national TV that he is of the opinion that gay people should not be allowed to get married, thereby denying them a civil right which he hopes to enjoy. You may find that opinion perfectly acceptable and it may have no bearing on your feelings about him, but I can't respect someone who doesn't believe in equality. ”

How many times!! He stated on national tv that he doesn't personally agree with same sex marriages, thereby allowing gay people to get married perfectly happily if it ever came to pass. he simply wouldn't agree with it. I don't find that opinion perfectly acceptable, but it doesn't in itself deny anybody anything.

Iain

iain

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Mesostim
Talking of which...The whole fish trader thing....That was misleading....He's the European Manager of a fish company.."fish trader" seems to suggest he sells fish on a market....I don't expect he ever comes into contact with an actual fish very often....... ”

supposing he'd made a big bruhaha about being the the company's EMEA manager and all the rest of it.

do you know what people would be saying?

look how up his arse Cameron is! EMEA manager my arse!! he's nothing more than a glorified fish trader.....

lain

iain

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Mesostim
Ho Ho - I don't deny it - I wouldn't even have mentioned it if someone hadn't said that Cameron wasn't materialistic...There is a point to my triviality (not all serious posting for me nowaday...have they found any WMD yet ) ”

Meso -

I take it we are just messing about here now, and all the bruhaha has actually dies down, and we're only messing about really?

As for those WMD - I don't believe so, although I think the UN Grassmarket inspector's have turned something up. I've toyed with the idea of replying to his every post, regardless of topic, and asking about those darn WMD, just to annot him

Iain

Paj

31-07-2003

If Cameron had mentioned his high-powered job into conversation, I don't think we would have thought he was misrespresenting himself. If he had said "I earn shit-loads of money" then we might have thought him slightly arrogant (as I did Jon, though it didn't do much harm to his popularity).
Taking on the mantle of "fish trader" does mislead the viewer, however you like it. It's like Lord Sainsbury calling himself a grocer (as I have heard him do with his tongue in his cheek). Technically true, but not the full truth.

Now, Channel 4 listing Tania as working "in fashion" was a little off, when she was actually a shop assistant.

lulu

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Paj
If Cameron had mentioned his high-powered job into conversation, I don't think we would have thought he was misrespresenting himself. If he had said "I earn shit-loads of money" then we might have thought him slightly arrogant (as I did Jon, though it didn't do much harm to his popularity).
Taking on the mantle of "fish trader" does mislead the viewer, however you like it. It's like Lord Sainsbury calling himself a grocer (as I have heard him do with his tongue in his cheek). Technically true, but not the full truth.
”

Well he is a fish trader, it's not his fault people envisaged him behind a market stall wearing a pinny touting fish. A lot of people who make 'shitloads' of money don't make a big deal out of it. When anyone asks my hubby what he does for a living, he replies 'computer engineer' where in fact he is MD of an IT company....not that I'm saying he earns shitloads of money!

lu

Mesostim

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by iain
supposing he'd made a big bruhaha about being the the company's EMEA manager and all the rest of it.

do you know what people would be saying?

look how up his arse Cameron is! EMEA manager my arse!! he's nothing more than a glorified fish trader.....

lain ”

That was a risk he should have taken....Instead of trying to hide it all away.....Cameron seems to have made an art out of deception.....

Felix&Molly

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Mesostim
That was a risk he should have taken....Instead of trying to hide it all away.....Cameron seems to have made an art out of deception..... ”

Cameron never deceived anybody! end of story!

matt.b

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Felix&Molly
Cameron never deceived anybody ”

but his his fans

Felix&Molly

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by matt.b
but his his fans ”

Yeah yeah, if that is what you want to believe.........

Felix&Molly

31-07-2003

Message for lala if you are about

Why do you want to know the age of F&M????

Mesostim

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by Felix&Molly
Cameron never deceived anybody! end of story! ”

Yes he did - Story continues...............Whether you participate in future chapters is entirely up to you.....

sawfish

31-07-2003

If you happen to think Cam is a decent guy, there's no point in trying to have a rational argument in this forum. The hatred for him is so intense that reason doesn't even come into it.

I'm sure if there had been a child in the house and Cam had smiled at it once, he'd have been branded a 'psychopathic paedophile' by hundreds of forum members. He's already labelled as a 'woman beating, goat sacrificing, greedy, lying fascist.

I happen to know FOR A FACT, he is the same in real life as he was in the house (whether you like him or not)!

There's no point in putting any positive Cameron point forward, as some delusional jon fan, driven to hatred through jons failure and Cams triumph, will have imagined some wierd goings on in Camerons head, through something as trivial as the length of time Cameron looked at someone.

OH! and they love the last word, just give them it, it keeps them happy.
I just laugh now (always did actually)!
Last edited by sawfish : 31-07-2003 at 18:02

Paj

31-07-2003

I think we all know what was going through his mind when he looked like this...

http://www.filefactory.net/death.jpg

Paj

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by KazzaL
Well (in the words of Jon Tickle), I earn £70,000 a year... taking home about £3800 per month... and it soon goes.

I have a house, a dog and a car. I live and work in London and I save enough every year to go on two or three nice long haul holidays a year. I'm not rolling in dough but I have a nice life. I also donate money to the RSPCA, WWF, NSPCC and the Blind every month (standing orders)

Beleive me, the more you earn the more you spend.. easy come easy go! ”

Believe me, you have no idea how privileged you are. I'm sure I'm not alone on this board in thinking that even one holiday a year would be completely out of my reach.

I know the more you have the more you spend, but don't come here looking for sympathy.

Mesostim

31-07-2003

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“Originally posted by sawfish
If you happen to think Cam is a decent guy, there's no point in trying to have a rational argument in this forum. The hatred for him is so intense that reason doesn't even come into it.

I'm sure if there had been a child in the house and Cam had smiled at it once, he'd have been branded a 'psychopathic paedophile' by hundreds of forum members. He's already labelled as a 'woman beating, goat sacrificing, greedy, lying fascist.

I happen to know FOR A FACT, he is the same in real life as he was in the house (whether you like him or not)!

There's no point in putting any positive Cameron point forward, as some delusional jon fan, driven to hatred through jons failure and Cams triumph, will have imagined some wierd goings on in Camerons head, through something as trivial as the length of time Cameron looked at someone.

OH! and they love the last word, just give them it, it keeps them happy.
I just laugh now (always did actually)! ”

okay......But...Haven't you just done what you are complaining about? This whole Jon thing is a little obsessive you know. If you don't like someone criticising your boy than you are likely to find a lot to annoy you on an internet Big Brother forum I would have thought......And I never mentioned Jon..you just did.

Put forward any positive points you like but do try not to make assumptions about your fellow forum posters motives since it leads to confusion and petty squabbles.......Cameron is being criticised for things he did in the house...for example.....his intolerant attitiude to homosexuality.

By all means go for the last word again.

Avolon

31-07-2003

Maybe next year on BB5 the forum members Might pick the winner. Then you will see a different side to them. As it is, they always pick the Loser. They have no other choice ,(well they have, admit defeat like Cameron would if he was ever defeated.) but to attack the winner, Take everything the winner ever said and spin it untill they understand it to be true. It must give them some release from the pent-up-anger they feel.
So if all this anger and hate helps them sleep at night, allow them their platform. It means someone close to them is having an easy life.

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