OK, a school-aged teenager earning some cash on Saturday morning works at a local supermarket.

A) Yes - fish may be sold
B) Yes - fish is traded for cash

So, by implication this teenager is also the European Manager of that particular establishment

Nope - doesn't work for me either, but both your questions were answered by the word "Yes" .. so the fact remains that we (ie general viewers) were decieved by Channel 4

The difference is quite simple. The first deception was conducted before he entered the house. His application, his video, all the things where he had help from his media-savvy brother, these things said "Occupation: Fish Trader". Maybe he elaborated, but C4 would have thought it was a nice angle and kept it in. Something for the grannies out there.

Once in the house no one challenged him on it, so there was no need for more deception. No one at home, none of his church friends need to see him pulling a fast one. Just keep your head down and play the fool and hope for an easy ride to the end and a career in TV.

But one of the tasks involved him giving his actual opinon. He had no escape. He could have lied outright, but then everyone would know what a fake he is. He would have gone down in the estimation of the church (piano or no piano) and the only people that matter to him.

You can see how much it hurts him to give the answers. He squirms like someone being forced to admit a crime. he knows that his opinions will do him serious damage with all sensible, liberal people, but he sees no other way out.

He needn't have worried. C4 have already done the editing trick and made him into a jumper-wearing, fudge-making bumpkin and he'll actually be introducing 12-year olds singing "Ave Maria" in York Minster before the year is out.

It's a lot harder to come out and lie in public than it is to simply play a part which represents a small part of your real personality.

Aehm gulp this is gonna be controversial

Aehm what do we know about the others

Did they say anything?

Not that I do not think Cam has played a role.

His appearance on the show, was certainly the biggest act from his likely to be real persona, but Ray didnt say that much either. IT guy, so what, that could be everything, from 6th tier hotline support to GM.

Cam should move to the Vatican, given todays statement, he would be very welcome there

don't be daft. it doesn't go both ways.

Iain

ok. millio dollar question.

why would endemol/c4 etc have wanted cameron to win? to what end?

Iain

They didn't necessarily want him to win. They did want to portray him as a loveable small-town idiot to combat the critics who last year said that the show is full of wannabe loudmouths.

Just turns out the GBP wanted that sort of person to win. They did not get what they wanted.

Why indeed?

During the first week or so, I also wanted Camoron to do well. I thought it great that finally we had a Scot in the BB house who may do well for Scotland.

** speculation **

Perhaps it was in this first week that Endemol had to ask themselves which of the HMs would be the best one to send to SA, as this had theoretically taken months to plan (so I read somewhere).

Endemol/Channel 4 knew more about Cameron than we did, they knew about his previous visits to Sth Africa, knew about his having travelled extensively, lived in both France and Spain. Due to his job, was experienced in talking to people from many different countries, therefore could be a good person to send (providing of course this was not planned prior to his entering the house!)

Taking all that into consideration, if the public thought that Camoron was a simple fish seller from the islands, and saw how well he handled himself on this 'major task' for BB, they knew or could obtain a guage, how well he would do on the various promotional activities that the winner of BB would be requested to do

** End speculation **

Channel 4 thought perhaps they knew the type of winner that both they and the public would like .... perhaps its time to dig up another one of those conspiracy threads ... the voting lines which were 'fixed'

Phew

Yes ... I agree with this ..

I keep using 'yokel' instead of idiot though .... it sounds a bit more PC

Will this one do?

Thanks - that will do nicely

Oh err ... strange things happen in supermarkets. I just went to one - got some meat for tomorrow and asked the guy serving if he could clean up the pork fillet for me ...

turns out he wasn't the butcher either, but the fish trader

ROTFL ... true

Did he look like he earned 100,000 a year?

LOL who knows ... what does someone who earns that amount look like?

He looked like a butcher
provided me with meat
for which I gave money (ie traded)
therefore thought he was a butcher

Now, it could be said that if I had researched I would have found out that the colours on the aprons / overalls of the butchery and fish departments are different colours, but ... I didn't

I was deceived

Of course BB is (now) fixed as Endemol/C4 know a money making machine when they see one.
The "manufactured" housemates this year unfortunately didn't overreact as they were supposed to (Sissy, you were supposed to be the irritating voiced one but sadly, we C4 Producers, well, we couldn't show too much invidious stuff as , well, ahem, we do have shed-loads more money to make on the UN CUT DVD and showing anything interesting negates potential vid/dvd revenue)...I digress...
A whole disparate bunch of us sussed that Cameron would be the one who "just happened by the Diary Room" to get whisked away as Ambassador for BB. (Oh, anyone else who answered the entreaty would have been simply asked an innocuous question until Cam came in..)
The editting showed one side of many arguments that Cameron had a comment on whereas E4 conpleted the picture illuminating quite what an opinionated bigot Cameron actually is...somehow got lost in the C4 mix...hmm. Coincidence.
Actually, the fact that C4 fed us the naieve Orkney geek and the appalling boredom levels acheived by this year's offerings compliment one another. I bet they really hope the DVDs will rake it in and balnce the redress.

PS Just read what Paj last wrote. Spot on!! Very true, apposite!!

Why not ask his media connected family....His mother and brother are heavily involved in TV production I understand..perhaps they could answer your question.......I'm pleased to see it's not a matter of how they fixed it anymore...a sense of acceptance here.....

Talking of deceptions..Last years winner was at it as well....Her part time I.T. help desk job was soon exagerated into a freelance £30,000 a year job......There must be a middle ground somewhere......

Julyan is a TV presenter on Grampian Television thats all. He's not some media mogul capable of influencing C4 to let Cameron win as you suggest.

Wrt Kate - Are you saying £30k is an exorbetant salary - that isn't a high salary for a technically skilled IT bod - its consistent with part time work salary, particularly if she's contracting.

The award winning Julyan....With all his contacts...And then there's Cameron's mother...You forgot her.

As I said - a presenter on Grampain TV - and his mother who controls all of Endemol from her croft in Orkney.

Thank god a REAL celebrity didn't have a mate they wanted to win Big Brother. Just imagine - if Julyan could get his brother to win, then Frank Skinner could probably get his milkman to present the news on C4 if he wanted.

Oh the power of it !!!

You reveal the power of Cameron's deception with this strange notion his mother lives in a "croft"......I imagine she spends her whole day making kilts, sporrons and shortcake as well........ Do the people she works for know she lives in a shack in the wilderness?

Seems you inderestimate Julyan's influence.....Mind you, all the other contestants relatives have weekly news columns as well....Oh no!!! they don't do they!!!....So I wonder what other benefits Julyan has.....?

Hmmm - clearly you've never been to the Orkneys then. I'm surprised - its not like anyone on here to give wild opinions on something they no nothing about.

For info - there's not many 6 bedroom mansions in the Orkneys with swimming pool, en-suite and manicured lawns.

In fact its a pretty bloody impossible place to run a small business from - never mind the world's most evil scheming propaganda machine.

Unless of course you're Dr Evil.

Oh I do beg your pardon.....Only you may discuss Cameron.....No big mansions but you can find £100,000 a year jobs scattered about the streets.......And TV producers, TV presenters and European Managers of International companies just appear from tiny little houses...........

Sorry Lucretia..You paint a wonderful picture of the simple life enjoyed by Cameron's family in their tumbledown farmers shack but it doesn't ring true.....Gullibility on Cameron's simple life has been long since been replaceds with cynicism.......Mind you, since Cameron hardly seems to have lived on Orkney it's not that much of a surprise......

Get off you're high horse !!

Who said only i could talk about Cameron. And what picture have I painted ?!

My recent posts have only poured scorn on your ridiculous and over emotional and highly dramatic arguements which are based on little more than fresh air..

Once again - have you been to the Orkney's ?

Rather than guessing what "rings true" - why don't you do some research and then come back with an intelligent discussion point.

Oh nearly missed the last point.

Cameron is 32 - spent 4 years abroad and 2 at University.

Thats 26 years he's spent in the Orkneys.

How old are you ?

handbags ooooooot

Anyway, may the truth lies somewhere in the middle ?

You're right - it always does