A poster earlier trying to defend Cameron's innocent island life in a croft in a sheltered glen said he'd only left the island he loved so well to go to University for "2" years.........Hence the flurry of activity to prove it once the figure was questioned....

I read somewhere he lived in spain for 2 yrs, not sure if it's true though.

Not necessarily, you can do it in 3 or 2 if you have relevant experience. I looked into it a couple of years ago and I could have started straight into 3rd year, done 2 years and got hons (if I passed of course).

lu

My apologies if this has been discussed somewhere else in this thread, I got lost somewhere about page 13 and the semantics of *fish* and *trading*.....

Anyway, the Napier University site states that Cameron "completed" a BA in Export Studies and Languages in 1992. Given that he left school in 1989, and a BA is the standard Scottish first degree, that would imply 3 years at University. It would therefore be quite reasonable to assume that he did a 3 year ordinary degree rather than staying on for a fourth year to graduate with honours. That's not uncommon in the Scottish University system. The course doesn't seem to exist any more, but all the current BA Business Studies with Language courses include at least 1 semester abroad.

The other mildly confusing aspect of Cameron's University career is that I'm not sure if Napier was actually a University at that time, since I'm fairly certain that it was granted University status in the early 90s and was previously a polytechnic which had courses verified by other institutions.

Given the date he went to University (potentially a polyechnic then) Cameron did not have the relevant experience.......

I did a quick search and found the goods (see link below). Napier converted to university status in June 1992.

August 1964 - Napier Technical College opened its doors to students at Merchiston under the leadership of Dr Joseph Dunning.

1966 – Renamed Napier College of Science and Technology.

August 1964 - Napier Technical College opened its doors to students at Merchiston under the leadership of Dr Joseph Dunning. 1966 – Renamed Napier College of Science and Technology.

1986 – Renamed Napier Polytechnic and became the first institution in Scotland to gain full accreditation from the Council for National Academic Awards and to receive permission to validate and monitor its degree courses.

June 1992 - The institution officially became Napier University. At a ceremony witnessed by over 700 staff and students, Lord James Douglas Hamilton and the then Principal, Professor William Turmeau, unveiled the new university sign at Merchiston.

FULL HISTORY:
http://www.news.napier.ac.uk/background/bkInfo6.htm

GG.

Just checking my own assumptions...... Napier was in fact granted University status in 1992, so it appears most likely that Cam went straight from school and did a 3 year college course in Edinburgh, gaining a BA ordinary degree. I've certainly never heard of anyone getting a BA in 2 years at his age without previous work experience, whether the institution was a college or a university.

Edit: Damn, must learn to type faster.

LOL

Cheers Tamara

Cameron "thou shalt not be deceitful" but seems you always were..
Looking at that list of places travelled (Courtesy of Tamara) , jobs done etc, I hardly think the over-reacting Canmeron did in the Diary Room when he heard he was off to South Africa sits so well with him now, do you? That would be like Carol Vorderman going "OOh look!! I will be on the Telly! Wow!! How mad is that!!" (You know, she may well be used to it by now). So that over-zealous demonstrably falsly exhuberant display of pant-wetting joy Cameron gushed when he was "offered" the trip, well, for who's benefit was that then Cameron? Bit of a Busman's holiday really wasn't it? But you had to react like you'd never been further than the Orkney chip shop. That smacks of fabricating a persona that is at odds with the "be true to thy self" dictum ST. Cameron would posit. Same reason when cornered about providing his opinions he was mortified - hadn't banked on that part of the script, eh, Cameron? Look, all the others in the house spotted where his eyes roved, where he "just happended to be when the ladies were in a state of undress" etc and they were closest so we cannot all be wrong. I do not think he's a terrible person, just an untruthful, hypocritical one and not one I would trust with a bag of sweets.

Right. I think we're done here people.

Move along now, nothing more to see here...

I hope your distorted view of life only applies to peoply you see on reality Tv shows.
I doubt Cameron will ever want or need your trust. His family friends and the company he works for (making S*** loads of money) Trust him 100%.

Well if I had travelled widely like Cameron has, I would not pretend otherwise like he did for 9 weeks thus he was the one giving a distorted picture of his reality. I saw what most people saw, or was allowed to see via Endemol/C4 but what shone through was the hypocrisy and supression of his life experiences to give the impression he was "a little boy lost". Fair play to him, it won him the game!
I too doubt Cameron would want anything from me but he has vicariously received my opinion of himself, which, as he's housemate and I'm a viewer, he signed up to.
I still wouldn't trust anyone who was so deceitful for 9 weeks by pretending to be a totally different person throughout all that time. THAT's distortion.

I can't see anybody nit-picking at any of the other hm's lives pre BB. Cameron talked about his travels extensively during BB, what was he supposed to do, first night ask everyone to be quiet as he wanted to tell them all about him?

Do we know where Scott has been, New York for one, Jon's been to Italy, I'm sure Ray mentioned he's spent a month or so in the USA and had the opportunity to stay there longer but he chose to come home. If I wrack my brain a bit more I'm sure I'll remember other hm's holidays and travels but in the whole scheme of BB I don't think any of them were keeping it a big secret.

Why not start a thread on the subject then...This one is clearly discussing Cameron.........Hence we're nitpicking about.....Cameron.....

You're right Jammer.
However, the point is his over-reaction to "I'm going to South Africa" and other instances whereby he maintained he had never seen anything more exotic than the Orkney refuse tip. Yes, he's been here there and everywhere and would have us believe he was having his eyes opened for the first time on BB to just about every prosaic experience in the house! For "flip's" sake!" I don't think many of the other HMs were sincere either but Cameron takes the crown though.
I still cannot square his desire to cease someone's breathing or reallocate their face with his other overtly purported peaceful didactic diatribes, er, religious leanings.

Just a thought.....if you were a contestant on BB and were expecting to spend up to 9 weeks cocooned in a relatively small house, with no contact with the outside world, and were familiar with the pattern of the previous series, whereby nobody got to step outside the house until they were evicted....regardless of how well-travelled you were before you went in, how do you think you would react if out of the blue you were told you were to "deliver a message" to South Africa that day?

Personally I would be fairly amazed, overwhelmed, delighted, shocked even, and I would be surprised if most people would react any differently. So why is that considered "over-reacting" just because it was Cameron?

I agree with you Lorry, in fact I think if any of the HM's had been taken in that day and asked to deliver a letter to *anywhere* outside the BB house they would be ecstatic.

lu

Lorry, Lulu.
You have a point there, I have to say.
It's evident that it must be bouts of protracted boredom in the BB house interspersed with "tasks" and other occasional things to take your mind off the perpetual tedium.
But that was just one discernible item regrading Cam and his all-engrossing journey of astonishment; when he came back he regailed everyone (repeatedly) with the excruitiating minutiae of his trip as if he'd DISCOVERED S. Africa, rather than a (familiar in his case) trip to it!
He has been consistently OTT regarding, for him, a prosaic occurence. Again, if it was a guise to win the prize, well done to him. As for anyone emcompassing those outward idiosynchrasies given what and where his real life existance takes him I find hard to take as being legitimate.
If I am being too harsh on this human anachronism well maybe he really is enamoured of anything he is given but can you see him acting like that in New York selling haddocks?

Sorry to nitpick but I don't think you can say the trip could be considered familiar, even if he'd been to SA a thousand times. After all, he was escorted directly to and from the BBSA house/airport, he didn't exactly "see" South Africa did he? His excitement was surely more about having been given the opportunity to experience another country's Big Brother and being able to directly compare the two experiences - something hardly anyone else in the world has been able to do.

um, no.

the point was, if there isn't really anything to gain by fixing it, then it almost certainly wasn't fixed.

i can't help thinking endemol make quite enough money thank you very much from programme rights around the world without having to rely on barely noticable margins by in any way *fixing* who actually wins series of BB.

call me crazy, but its just a thought.

Iain

so what are you saying meso - cmaeron's brother got on the blower to endemol and said

*hi - i work in tv you know, how about fixing it so my brother wins?*

and endemol said

*sure, why not?*

you're *theory* seems to make little sense other than *cameron's brother has vague media connections* therefore it must have been fixed.

if you can shed more light on why, how, and to what end then it might be slightly more convincing...?

Iain

so what influence does he have exactly? over endemol specifically?

i mean, jeez - a presenter on Grampian TV huh? crikey.

Iain

pretty much yes.

which company does Cameron actually work for anyway?

is it a company based in Orkney which happens to export fish to other european countries?

or is it some multinational based in Italy or wherever, who happens to employ people in places like orkney as their EMEA managers?

have you come across anything actually incriminating other than *he's a manager who earns £100k* that you read in a newspaper?

honestly mesotim, from previous experience, I thought you had more sense than this?

Iain