You're wrong. It's entirely possible to talk about your achievements/abilities/skills without bragging about it. Do you never tell people about some of the more unique, impressive things you've done with your life?

I'm not wrong.


I didn't say it wasn't possible, just suggested that perhaps Cameron chose not too, as he was aware he was on camera 24 hrs a day, and simply didn't so much as wish to appear to be bragging.

as i said, given the lamest excuse people on this forum have needed to start laying into him, you can be sure as eggs is eggs that he would have been criticised for some if he had gone on at any more length about stuff.

tell me i'm wrong?

iain

Why use something petty when we have his stirring, bitching, eyerolling, bullying, death threatening homophobic bigotry..The fact that he was concealing his abilities and character in order to create a false impression to the gullible is an entirely different issue.......

The bit that irritates me the most is when he talks about SA and says all wide eyed like a childish Bobby Ball (cannon and ball) "Ive been to South Africa" never mentioning that hed been before

It's not like he was expecting to go to SA though and the whole scenario of you have 10 minutes to pack your bags and you're off is a bit amazing. Suppose you go into work one day and the boss says 'grab your coat we're off to SA' I think you may find that a bit of a surprise?

I think we just have to accept that some people have formed such deep and unfathomable attachments to Cameron that they can spare an enormous amount of time defending him, whatever the evidence. Each to their own.

oh come on meso......

Iain

Meso is absolutely correct. This is what I don't understand. Had a woman indulged in the petty politicking, spitefulnesses and bitching that Cam indulged in she would have been crucified (ie Adele last year).

Just because Cam disguised it all with a child friendly roll of the eyes and a funny accent doesn't mean he wasn't doing it.

And the roll of the eyes was also used very effectively to start the bullying and ostracization of other housemates ie Jon, Nush.

The fact that he is a Christian has nothing to do with my own, at least, vehement dislike for the bloke because of his nasty character and intolerance towards other people.

The fact that he used his Christianity to try and pretend he was above doing all of that compounds his nastiness.

Spot on

No - You come on Iain.....I'm on good solid ground here...Catch up man

you make him sound like some violent psycho who goes round butchering homosexuals for fun meso.

he's just a religious nut from the islands. nuts they may be, but they don't go round butchering homosexuals for fun.

Iain

Well there has been more said about Cameron 'threatening violence' than Ray's drunken 'I could punch her face in' with regard to Steph. I know which one I find the most 'threatening'.

lu

[quote]Originally posted by Glenghis
[B This is what I don't understand. Had a woman indulged in the petty politicking, spitefulnesses and bitching that Cam indulged in she would have been crucified (ie Adele last year).



The difference between Cameron and Adele is.
Cameron was spot on with his opinions. Adele was just a plain nasty bitch.

Ray's a psycho, granted. But Ray doesn't claim to be following the way of the bible. How can Cameron be an evangelist (as seems to be his ambition) when he does not practice what he preaches?

He's a hypocrite, there's no denying it.

He earns 100 grand a year, speaks four languages fluently and, according to you, completely fooled the British public by pretending to be someone he's not for 9 whole weeks, thereby winning a 70 grand jackpot.

And you are calling him a moron?

Come on M. Bit OTT don't you think?

lulu made a good point. Not so much of a song and dance being made about Ray's behaviour which to me has been much more threatening. Jon's done far more blatant stirring and bitching than Cam. Most of it done in the safety of the diary room. Eyerolling is hardly a crime. Let's not even go down that homophobic, bigotry road again. I wasn't offended by his remarks and neither were most of my gay friends. One did get outraged, but he's a bit of a militant loony - bless him. Despite hating Cam for a couple of days he was cheering and crying like a baby when he left the house on Friday.

IMO - what Cam said has actually done a lot of good because it's made people realise just how outdated and inappropriate some of the words in the Bible are in todays society.

We will go down the Homophobic bigotry road over and over again until it sinks in P.P. It's not going to be dropped......A fair point about Ray...although it seems to me that Ray was quite well caught out on his bad behavior and there were few (if any) who could honestly defend him.......Cameron did any number of destestable things and was still well admired and justified for those actions, with any number of excuses...which simply isn't good enough. Jon's alleged blatant bitching was why he went back in again and was what he said he was going to do....He said it before he got over half a million votes in an hour to go back into the house.....And Cameron I must inform you was much much worse.....All the bitching sessions and eye rolling performed by Cameron cannot be compared to Jon talking to a mirror or winding people up about what he knows (which I must remind you again was the whole point of the exercise)......

On your final point -You're spot on....But we didn't need an arse like Cameron to win to hammer that home....

Well there are certain excuses for Ray's carrying on. He only did it when a) drunk, or b) in a very emotional state, usually angry. He was most probably not in control of what he was saying, and he didn't dislike Steph in any great way.

Cameron on the other hand made numerous threats of violence (pelting eggs, smashing teeth down throats, strangulation) whilst in a perfectly balanced state of mind. OK he was probably exagerrating, but the threats weren't isolated incidents. He spent a great deal of time bitching and saying unpleasant things about other housemates (namely Lisa) - so with Cameron the dislike is actually there.

Now the come back on all of this is: "Cameron only made 'humorous' threats of violence as a laugh and his bitching and loathing of Lisa isn't exactly an awful thing". Quite right, no it isn't. But in combination with the religious beliefs he claims to devoutly follow and now wishes to preach, there is only one word - Hypocrite

[quote]Originally posted by Avolon

Quote:
“Originally posted by Glenghis
[B This is what I don't understand. Had a woman indulged in the petty politicking, spitefulnesses and bitching that Cam indulged in she would have been crucified (ie Adele last year).



The difference between Cameron and Adele is.
Cameron was spot on with his opinions. Adele was just a plain nasty bitch.”

Ah. I see that you are a Cam fan. A typical one.

I don't know if I should post this, but in the spirit of fairness....
Cameron was asked on GMTV yesterday by text if it was true that he spoke 4 languages fluently & he said I wish I spoke English better. When asked again he looked embarred & said a bit, I wouldn't say fluently (or words to that effect.)
He also said he holds no ill feeling against Jon.

Awww isn't that sweet. Don't we all wish we could be just like Cameron

not when we can all form our own views, and carry out character assisinations based on watching someone in an unnatural environment on our tv screens and what we read about them in the papers, without actually meeting them, eh?

Iain

based on this and some of your earlier posts, do you not think you may be over identifying with Cameron a wee bit? Let it go!

i didn't mention cameron

i don't feel any particular affinity to cameron, i just can't beleive the slagging anybody gets from this lot, when theycan't possibly really know the person.

don't worry - FA will taking over soon....

Iain

I admit that Cameron may be a different kettle of fish in the flesh.

What I'm protesting against is the fact that he won. Yes, pure...sour...grapes. He didn't deserve it. And all the garbage about Cameron's "journey" and "voyage" of discovery during Big Brother. Trash. South Africa didn't make him a new person, it made him complacent and smug.

In some respects I blame Cameron. He undeniably did his fair share of horrible things in the house - one word, Lisa - and it is my OPINION that he concealed his true character in quite a deliberate way.

In other respects C4 and the producers are to blame. The whole idea of sending ONE housemate to South Africa, thus making them immune from nominations for TWO weeks was a total farce. BB4 was turning into the Cameron show.

Cameron may have won - but he got a better bargain than the other contestants. His contenders in the final four had been eligible for nomination two weeks more than he had and he got a show devoted entirely to himself. Of course he "won".

BB4 was NOT a game. I expect better next year.