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The People~Cameron Earns £100,000, Speaks Fluent French, Spanish,Japanese & Norwegian
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lulu
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by stupidityno1
Well there are certain excuses for Ray's carrying on. He only did it when a) drunk ”

Yes he was drunk, definitely not an excuse in my book, an excuse not to drink maybe.

lu
Mesostim
29-07-2003
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“Originally posted by iain
not when we can all form our own views, and carry out character assisinations based on watching someone in an unnatural environment on our tv screens and what we read about them in the papers, without actually meeting them, eh?

Iain
”

Well Iain....Given the marvel of the televisial device and extensive coverage on E4 and other media outlets well are well able to make well informed judgements based on what we have seen...As such these "character assassinations" are in fact character observations based on excellent source material and first hand evidence........
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lulu
Yes he was drunk, definitely not an excuse in my book, an excuse not to drink maybe.”

My point was that he wouldn't have said it had he not been drunk. He also had the courtesy to apologise. Cameron didn't need to apologise because he was a whimp who was too scared to say things like that to poeple's faces.
Last edited by stupidityno1 : 29-07-2003 at 15:56
Mesostim
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lulu
Yes he was drunk, definitely not an excuse in my book, an excuse not to drink maybe.

lu
”

Ray was well out of order....He's not getting off the hook either....
iain
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
Well Iain....Given the marvel of the televisial device and extensive coverage on E4 and other media outlets well are well able to make well informed judgements based on what we have seen...As such these "character assassinations" are in fact character observations based on excellent source material and first hand evidence........ ”

only up to a point there meso.

*cameron speaks 4 languages fluently* is reported in the press.

on these forums it becomes

*isn't cameron a despicable fraud, cheat, liar for not telling us all about this? he's should be ashamed of the way he's deceived us like this - he doesn't deserve to win*

or cameron jokes about wanting to throttle someone - something we probably all do. on these forums that becomes -

*what a thug cameron is. he says he's a christian and yet he's clearly no more than a violent bully.*

the point i'm making is that the slightest *character observation* commonly gets blown out of all proportion and exaggerated beyond all belief just to fuel pages and pages of slagging off the HMs.

Iain
lulu
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by stupidityno1
My point was that he wouldn't have said it had he not been drunk. ”

may be, but no-one knows that, after all we did see that Ray had a volatile side to his nature.

lu
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
*cameron speaks 4 languages fluently* is reported in the press.

on these forums it becomes

*isn't cameron a despicable fraud, cheat, liar for not telling us all about this? he's should be ashamed of the way he's deceived us like this - he doesn't deserve to win*

or cameron jokes about wanting to throttle someone - something we probably all do. on these forums that becomes -

*what a thug cameron is. he says he's a christian and yet he's clearly no more than a violent bully.*
”

Lol

You have a point that everything he did is blown out of proportion, but the facts of the matter remain the same.

It was not so much his threats against other housemates that I didn't like, it was his whole attitude and the fact that he claimed to be a Christian whilst totally going against the religion's teachings (which he now claims he wants to preach - when he can't even follow them himself).

And then (not Cameron's fault I know) the fact that Channel 4 either overlooked his downsides for the highlights show or made a joke out of it, thus retaining his Goody Goody image. In the eyes of C4 he could do no wrong.
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by lulu
may be, but no-one knows that, after all we did see that Ray had a volatile side to his nature.”

Yes Ray was below the belt with Steph but at least he apologised, which is more than can be said for Cameron.
technoflare
29-07-2003
Sorry if this has already been mentioed here, but after Jon told Nush and co that Cam was an international businessman Dermot said on BBLB to a guest that Jon was obviously lieing and making it up.....
Tickle_Disciple
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by technoflare
Sorry if this has already been mentioed here, but after Jon told Nush and co that Cam was an international businessman Dermot said on BBLB to a guest that Jon was obviously lieing and making it up..... ”

I noticed that at the time and wondered what dermot meant, I thought it was odd.
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
I must admit I fell for the stereotyping Cameron trap. Very early on in the show before he was a big player (and when I actually didn't mind him) I read about his work and automatically (without thinking at all) labelled him a fishmonger.

But it was definately made to appear that Cameron had barely stepped off Orkney in his life - either that is the strong picture I have built up or I heard it said somewhere a long time, I don't know.

And no matter what you say this has massively helped his chances of winning. £100,000 a year, well travelled businessman from Orkney....doesn't have quite the same ring as the lonely, sad and trampy islander. Making out that it was all some huge adventure of discovery for him - was it heck!
matt.b
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by stupidityno1
But it was definately made to appear that Cameron had barely stepped off Orkney in his life - either that is the strong picture I have built up or I heard it said somewhere a long time, I don't know. ”

Hmm, I think that people just did not look.

In his application video he clearly states, that he is "competitive but does not cheat". In the back ground there is clearly a bull fighting picture. His house is evidently very spatious IMO and very neat (though that might just be for the video). The fish industry is very big. And his accent I dont find that weird at all. Just another scottish accent.

IMHO it is blatently obvious he aint naive/poor/peaceful etc at all.
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
I remember his house looking pretty old fashioned and not decorated since the 1970s. I suppose that just backed up my assumption of the fishmonger.

I know the fish industry is big, when I think about it. But I just let images of marketstall fish-traders pop into my mind.
Mesostim
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by iain
only up to a point there meso.

*cameron speaks 4 languages fluently* is reported in the press.

on these forums it becomes

*isn't cameron a despicable fraud, cheat, liar for not telling us all about this? he's should be ashamed of the way he's deceived us like this - he doesn't deserve to win*

or cameron jokes about wanting to throttle someone - something we probably all do. on these forums that becomes -

*what a thug cameron is. he says he's a christian and yet he's clearly no more than a violent bully.*

the point i'm making is that the slightest *character observation* commonly gets blown out of all proportion and exaggerated beyond all belief just to fuel pages and pages of slagging off the HMs.

Iain
”

When he signed up for Big Brother he would have been well aware that his every action would be scrutinised and dissected....In fact he'd no better than the rest with his media connections....So I am only surprised that you seem so outraged about it being done to this one person? It's not like this isn't the norm.....The fact that we are now very aware of Big Bro contestants and their tricks and that Cameron was covering himself is the reason he is being criticised....Frankly I have no sympathy for any of them.............

And there is nothing you can do about it Iain...I don't even feel slightly gulity about it and nor should anyone else...we don't need your approval......
kimindex
29-07-2003
[quote][i]

In the back ground there is clearly a bull fighting picture. His house is evidently very spatious IMO and very neat (though that might just be for the video). >>


Bullfighting - how lovely! How gentle!
lulu
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by stupidityno1
I remember his house looking pretty old fashioned and not decorated since the 1970s. I suppose that just backed up my assumption of the fishmonger.

I know the fish industry is big, when I think about it. But I just let images of marketstall fish-traders pop into my mind.

”

I'm not sure, but I think he has not long moved into it. Maybe he hasn't got round to the decorating yet . I know what you mean about the fish industry lol. If he had just said he was a 'trader' we probably would all have thought 'stockmarket' when he's neither.

lu
matt.b
29-07-2003
[quote]Originally posted by kimindex
Quote:
“[i]

In the back ground there is clearly a bull fighting picture. His house is evidently very spatious IMO and very neat (though that might just be for the video). >>


Bullfighting - how lovely! How gentle!”

Did you not hear he spoke even in the house about it, how he liked it. My mum dragged me to one when I was 9. Disgusting it is. And I dont eat that culture crap that is brought up as excuse. Its as disgusting as Rodeo, where the bulls/horses balls are tied so they go wild. Fine death is part of nature, but deliberate physical pain for amusement?
kimindex
29-07-2003
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“Originally posted by matt.b
Did you not hear he spoke even in the house about it, how he liked it. My mum dragged me to one when I was 9. Disgusting it is. And I dont eat that culture crap that is brought up as excuse. Its as disgusting as Rodeo, where the bulls/horses balls are tied so they go wild. Fine death is part of nature, but deliberate physical pain for amusement? ”

I couldn't agree more with you; I was being sarcastic. How anyone could condone that 'sport' is beyond me. It's sadistic.
matt.b
29-07-2003
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“Originally posted by kimindex
I couldn't agree more with you; I was being sarcastic. How anyone could condone that 'sport' is beyond me. It's sadistic. ”

I knew you were against it . I just wanted to make it clear before it is said, I have so and so in my bed room doesnt mean he likes it. He made it clear he likes it, Mr. Nosexbeforemarriagebutbullsarekilledforpleasure.
kimindex
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by matt.b
I knew you were against it . I just wanted to make it clear before it is said, I have so and so in my bed room doesnt mean he likes it. He made it clear he likes it, Mr. Nosexbeforemarriagebutbullsarekilledforpleasure. ”

Good one! Will be interesting if there is a defender for this other charming aspect of Cameron's personality. I didn't hear him talk about it actually. Who was he talking with and what was their response?
matt.b
29-07-2003
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“Originally posted by kimindex
Good one! Will be interesting if there is a defender for this other charming aspect of Cameron's personality. I didn't hear him talk about it actually. Who was he talking with and what was their response? ”

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...542#post886542


There is another one

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...899#post903899

Bulls have no nerves in the neck. Yeah thats why the picadore put it there, because they dont feel it. What a pile of crap.
stupidityno1
29-07-2003
Another dark facet of the Godly Cameron is revealed.
kimindex
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by matt.b
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...542#post886542 ”

Thanks for thay. Unbelievable! It seems he will believe (or lie about) anything in order to justify himself (the stuff about bulls having no nerves in their neck).
matt.b
29-07-2003
As we can see from below that beef has muscles in their neck, my humble opinion as biologist is that ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MUSCLES WITHOUT NERVES.

http://cals.arizona.edu/AREC/pubs/rm...HealthMain.pdf


A preliminary diagnosis of blackleg or
malignant edema may be made in the
living animal on the basis of clinical
signs and the presence of typical muscle
swellings. Post-mortem examination
may reveal areas of dark, discolored
muscle
with accumulation of bloody fluid
and gas bubbles, although these findings
may be inconclusive since decomposition
of clostridium-infected carcasses
progresses rapidly and lesions
may be masked by it.
Lesions of blackleg are most often found
in the upper part of a leg; although the
infection may localize in any muscle of
the body including the tongue, jaw, neck,
heart or diaphragm
. Malignant edema
lesions may occur in any muscle but are
usually associated with a wound.
In cases where the diagnosis is in doubt,
and in order to determine the type of
infection present, the examining veterinarian
may submit specimens to a
diagnostic laboratory. Blackleg and
malignant edema must be differentiated
from lightning stroke, anthrax, bacillary
hemoglobinuria (another clostridial
disease also known as redwater), and
various acute poisonings.

I rest my case and thats just a random veterinary site

And dont tell me he knows nothing about anatomy or animals. He is in the FISH business Fair enough FISH are not mammals but still animals with nerves
Last edited by matt.b : 29-07-2003 at 17:45
iain
29-07-2003
Quote:
“Originally posted by Mesostim
When he signed up for Big Brother he would have been well aware that his every action would be scrutinised and dissected....In fact he'd no better than the rest with his media connections....So I am only surprised that you seem so outraged about it being done to this one person? It's not like this isn't the norm.....The fact that we are now very aware of Big Bro contestants and their tricks and that Cameron was covering himself is the reason he is being criticised....Frankly I have no sympathy for any of them.............

And there is nothing you can do about it Iain...I don't even feel slightly gulity about it and nor should anyone else...we don't need your approval......
”

i know all that meso - i just think it gets sooooo over the top on a forum such as this - to the point of extreme bitterness and anger towards people that the people here don't know - which seems to me a bit scary to be honest - after all - the HMs are in there to win the £70k, and they certainly don't owe anyone watching anything.

of course cameron, and everyone else knows what they're in for - but that doesn't mean that everything anybody says about a HM is entirely reasonable....

of course you don't need my approval, but the way some people spout off here about BB HMs past and present verges on the clinically insane sometimes, and left unchecked, I'm not sure how healthy that is, hence my doing my foil routine...

don't mean no 'arm.....

Iain
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