So your basically saying some people shouldn't be allowed to have free speech because some other people want to have free speech without being challenged about their views? Doesn't seem that fair to me.

I think debate and discussion is health and totally different from abuse and personal attack, for stating your opinion.

No - what I am saying is it should be possible to enter into a debate without calling the other poster moronic, imbecilic, or idiotic, not to mention implying that they are both blind and tone deaf.

As an example:

I know that you are a huge Jodie fan - I don't dislike her, but for the sake of argument let's say I posted a comment saying I was unimpressed with her performance and interpretation of her song. I would expect you to challenge my view - but your opinion would lose it's impact if you were unable to put your point without hurling abuse.

Rational debate is always more effective than derision. The latter simply denotes a lack of vocabulary and an inability to effectuate reasoned argument.

I'm not a shrinking violet so I would give as good as I got - but some who have put forward their views in a reasonable and inoffensive manner have been subjected to insult simply because they hold a different view to another who deems their own favourite beyond criticism. Those of a sensitive nature can easily feel hounded off the forum.

Debate is good - invective is not.

Hear, hear.

"Caspy taking a bow"

My word what a thread title

We agree on something LOL!


Actually we don't have free speech in this country thank goodness.

What kind of society would we be if we didn't have laws governing equality, racism, inciting violence, etc.

It may be old fashioned, but being polite costs nothing and it is perfectly possible to put your point over without being insulting or getting personal - particularly about someone you probably don't even know!

Rant over!

did you think that we could never agree.......

Another lone voice in the darkness. Hello!

But it does matter. You are supposed to be acting when on stage and singing and playing the part of the character - not when you have finished singing and listening to the panel.
We are seeing a version of Jodie that she would like us to see, and I think it's a more elevated version of her real self. But to do that, she has to 'act up' all the time, and it's this bit that is my 'nails down the blackboard' moment with Jodie.

But there were three other teeth grinding moments from her last night.
1) The song. I hope it was a test. Thrown her a song to be sung by a male lead, and see how she interprets it. If you are good singer this should'nt pose to many problems for the performer. How did she do? Answer. Marginal.

2) Talking to ALW at the house. Let the Lord speak woman. There she was talking, grinning, joking. At the expense of listening, improving and understanding the valid points he was trying to make to her - which were getting lost as she felt it was her turn to be Lloyd Webbers 'mate'. Horrible to watch.

3) The first chord of 'who will buy me flowers' is not the time to start waving one of your hands around, whilst the other singers are holding their flowers close in to their chests. You start being expressive when you are singing, not trying the steal the scene within the first second of the song.

For what it's worth, I want either Sam or Rachel to win. Perfect examples of how to present yourself when you have finshed the song (although that Isle Of Sam renaming stunt was rather silly, and a shame she was dragged into it)

Dont agree with you ...........

...me neither...

...add me to the list on that one...

I have that reaction to certain threads ... but after the effects of the glass (or five) of wine disappear, I end up realising that it was my thread

wine? oh that bottle you mean?

Entirely agree with you MartS

Thanks.
I get this at home as well, so I'm use to ducking the mud thrown at me for expressing a valid opinion that her fans want to turn the other way and ignore.

Someone who I watch the programme with adores the programme, thinks that Jodie would be a great Nancy because "she is a good actress". Yes, I say. She may be - but she is acting when she should be herself i.e after the perfomance. And that defeats the object of the programme.

Interestingly last night I noticed something which could have rendered this whole show pointless. I wonder if the Nancy used in the opening titles can sing? She looks like Nancy - maybe ALW and Macintosh should have just hired her for the part

Are Jodie's supporters the most sensitive, protective and thin skinned of the lot; because the minute anyone says something that her fans interpret as negative they descend like a pack of wolves.

So let me make my position clear - she's got a lot of talent, she's very attractive and I can see the warmth in her personality; but.... for me her off stage persona is too loud, too brash and OTT with her tears and effusive 'thank you, thank you, thank you,' each week when she is voted through. As Mart said she talks non stop, it would be nice to hear one of the quieter ones for a change and I can do without the facial expressions. The week she said, "I think they're beginning to like me," sticks in my mind. To put it bluntly she makes me feel as though I've been hit by a force 9 gale every Saturday and Sunday evening.

Right that's the good and the bad - shoot me now - or take a hint from the thread title.

MartS and Ignazio - you sum my feelings up entirely. I just find the whole OTT personality grates on my nerves.

yep - I'm p*ssed off.

Good post - things do get a bit heated on here sometimes! I'm sure people would be a lot more polite to each other face to face

how did he/she get banned? ^

Why are lumping all her fans together? I like Jodie but as soon as I started to read this post it's bloody annoying me

^ to be in honest, if I was around Jodie in person and as lovely and sincere as she seems, it would drive me batty if she talked non stop and was OTT all the time. that is just my personality though, i like a good/deep conversation, sometimes about politics, policies, current big news stories, a good author, poetry, art, and that kind of personality isn't usually one that is verbose. i still like her though.

Feel free to feel pissed off - it's what the thread is for - and you're right I should have qualified my post - not all her fans fit my criteria - some are rational, objective and humourous.

but.....I am still pissed off.

I'm not surprised and I'm sorry if I made things worse - that wasn't my intention.